Poll: Vivek Ramaswamy Breaks into Double Digits in Republican Primary

[massadvj]

What I REALLY like about him...his quickness and clarity on his feet in front of a camera.

That is truly a gift in our American Idol , er TIK-TOK culture.

He seems a little too quick, if you know what I mean. I don't dislike what he says, but the built-in bullsh*t detector in this marketing professor goes off whenever he talks.

If he is polling at 10 percent, that is bad news for RDS. Ramaswamy is certain to endorse Trump in the end.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

He seems a little too quick, if you know what I mean. I don't dislike what he says, but the built-in bullsh*t detector in this marketing professor goes off whenever he talks.

If he is polling at 10 percent, that is bad news for RDS. Ramaswamy is certain to endorse Trump in the end.

He strikes me as a very sharp guy intellectually who sees everything in absolute black and whites, and with no understanding of how what he says is perceived.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Why are so many fighting tooth and nail to weaken one of the most devinely inspired protections of US sovereignty in the Constitution ----- the NBC requirement for POTUS? 

[catfish1957]

But did he pass the "Gus Test"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x6qBPWUSS0

[LMAO]

So……

Is this guy eligible to be president or not? 

[massadvj]

There is enough precedent for questionable candidates meeting the threshold of "Natural Born Citizen" that I doubt any challenge of Vivek Ramaswamy would get anywhere. If Barack Obama, John McCain and Ted Cruz all qualified, then so does Vivek Ramaswamy. It may not have been fully litigated, but it would be a waste of time to litigate it now.

It's enough to know the facts of his birth. In a Democracy, the people can weigh whether it matters or not, which is as it should be.

[Kamaji]

Before getting into these, I have a question.

Have you actually read those cases yourself, or are you just cutting and pasting what someone else isolated from those cases without having read the cases yourself?  Because while all of them are misleading to cite the way you have, one of them is ridiculously so, and actually cuts the opposite of the argument you are making.

[Bigun]

See you in court counselor!

[Bigun]

There is enough precedent for questionable candidates meeting the threshold of "Natural Born Citizen" that I doubt any challenge of Vivek Ramaswamy would get anywhere. If Barack Obama, John McCain and Ted Cruz all qualified, then so does Vivek Ramaswamy. It may not have been fully litigated, but it would be a waste of time to litigate it now.

It's enough to know the facts of his birth. In a Democracy, the people can weigh whether it matters or not, which is as it should be.

We have been bitten in the @$$, and are still paying for it, because Barack Husein Obama was allowed to run for president, and I predict that we haven't seen anything yet if we continue down that path @massadvj I'm going to be fighting for the constitution for as long as I remain alive.

I personally like what Ramaswamy is saying, speaking my language all the time, but I simply cannot vote for him in a presidential primary. If he somehow becomes the Republican nominee and my only other choice is Bidet or his replacement in November, I surely will vote for him. Not that it will matter much because no republican will ever win again if the wholesale cheating icontinues.

[sneakypete]

He stri.kes me as a very sharp guy intellectually who sees everything in absolute black and whites, and with no understanding of how what he says is perceived.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Which,sadly,means he would make a first-class assistant or advisor to a corporation head or a senior politician,but unfit for the job himself.

Politics really IS "the art of compromise".

It's just a damn shame that currently the right is doing all the compromising,and the left  is not giving in on anything.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

See you in court counselor!

I take that as a "no".  Fair enough.

[Hoodat]

We have been bitten in the @$$, and are still paying for it, because Barack Husein Obama was allowed to run for president

Obama was allowed to run by all 50 States, and not a single person on our side did a thing to block it.  Even worse, many on our side crossed over and voted for Obama in the Dem primaries to block Hillary, thinking that an Obama ticket was unwinnable.

[Kamaji]

Obama was allowed to run by all 50 States, and not a single person on our side did a thing to block it.  Even worse, many on our side crossed over and voted for Obama in the Dem primaries to block Hillary, thinking that an Obama ticket was unwinnable.

Obama's eligibity was challenged several times, and all such challenges lost.

[Bigun]

I take that as a "no".  Fair enough.

Take it any way you like. I don't care.

[Bigun]

Obama's eligibity was challenged several times, and all such challenges lost.

For lack of standing. Not one hearing on merits.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Which,sadly,means he would make a first-class assistant or advisor to a corporation head or a senior politician,but unfit for the job himself.

Politics really IS "the art of compromise".

It's just a damn shame that currently the right is doing all the compromising,and the left  is not giving in on anything.

His ridiculously stupid proposal to raise the voting age to 25 was just...dumb beyond belief on multiple levels.   Making six months of military service enough to get voting rights shows you have absolutely zero understanding of military service, and (even worse) didn't talk to anyone who does before you made that proposal.   He's all theory with no understanding of practical realities.  A truly horrible combination.

[Kamaji]

For lack of standing. Not one hearing on merits.

Not true.  Ankeny v. Governor (Indiana, 2009):  https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/in-court-of-appeals/1501011.html

Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.

Obama was born in Hawaii, after it had been admitted as a state, so he was born within the borders of the United States and was therefore a natural born citizen.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Not true.  Ankeny v. Governor (Indiana, 2009):  https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/in-court-of-appeals/1501011.html

There's a great discussion of the federal caselaw, including SCOTUS opinions in there, and specifically including why Minor v. Happersett, which is very typically cited by birthers as proof that the Supreme Court requires two citizen parents for a "natural born citizen" actually says nothing of the sort.  In fact, the Supreme Court in that case expressly stated that it was not deciding that issue.  Doesn't stop the birthers from quoting only the first part of the relevant paragraph, but deliberately admitting the part of that Supreme Court decision that then presents the opposing view, and ends by saying "For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts."  Because why quote a whole paragraph when you can mislead people by quoting only the first part of it?

Anyone wanting to read up this, that case cited by @Kamaji is a very good one.

That case you cited also points out the absolute primary of English common law, how it is the presumed backdrop of all colonial/American law, and therefore why the English view of who is a natural born citizen" so clearly trumps that of some Swiss guy.

[libertybele]

Eligible or not, there is just not enough background information on him. His parents weren't born here (obviously) and so their backgrounds can't be verified leaving Ramsy's background the only canvas that can be researched and I've tried .... there's isn't a whole lot other than his education and affiliation with Soros.

He obviously has no voting record and he has suddenly emerged out of nowhere just like O'bammy.  Great speaker and says to people what they want to hear, but there is really no way to check his record.

No thank you.  I won't vote for him.  Not enough information on him to truly assess what he's saying is true and he could just be another snake oil salesman.

[Bigun]

Enjoy life in the USA when the son of an Iranian Mullah, Palestinian terrorist, Colombian drug lord, or any of the many other possibilities, sits in the Whitehouse one day soon since, according to some here, our constitution has been rendered meaningless.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Eligible or not, there is just not enough background information on him.

I agree.  Without any kind of a real track record, he could just be playing conservatives.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Enjoy life in the USA when the son of an Iranian Mullah, Palestinian terrorist, Colombian drug lord, or any of the many other possibilities, sits in the Whitehouse one day soon since, according to some here, our constitution has been rendered meaningless.

That could still happen even under your scenario.  The only difference is whether or not those nefarious parents happen to have been naturalized before of after their child is born in the U.S..

Ultimately, we have to count on the voters to decide who is fit, and who is not.

[Right_in_Virginia]

It's enough to know the facts of his birth. In a Democracy, the people can weigh whether it matters or not, which is as it should be.

Except for that pesky Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution. 

If you're willing to let voters decide if this matters, how about we do the same for the 2nd Amendment?  Or better yet, how about we let the voters decide if the whole damn document matters or not?   After all, this is a "Democracy" (your word).

[Kamaji]

That could still happen even under your scenario.  The only difference is whether or not those nefarious parents happen to have been naturalized before of after their child is born in the U.S..

Ultimately, we have to count on the voters to decide who is fit, and who is not.

Agreed.  However, my faith in the voters has been at its nadir for quite a while now.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Except for that pesky Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution.

You mean the part that never mentions a requirement of having two citizens parents?

Thought so.