Sparks fly at California's final reparations task force meeting: 'Now's the time for a divorce!'

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 June 29, 2023 3:40pm EDT
Sparks fly at California's final reparations task force meeting: 'Now's the time for a divorce!'
'What do you get in divorce? You get half the money, half the land, alimony, child support, attorney fees, and everything else!' one attendee said

By Gabriel Hays | Fox News


Several of the attendees at the California Department of Justice’s final Reparations Task Force meeting created a scene during the public comment section of the event Thursday, demanding reparations from the board.

Several excited California residents took advantage of their opportunity to address the board directly, yelling into the mic that the time for reparations is "now!"

One encouraged the crowd in attendance to raise their fists and chant their desires for restitution, while another stood up and screamed for a "divorce" settlement of sorts between Black Americans and the rest of the country.

The Reparations Task Force meeting this week represented the final one in a series of public events facilitating discussions between California residents and state officials about establishing potential restitution for perceived inequality between African Americans and the rest of America stemming from slavery and centuries of discrimination.

The final meeting occurred just over a month after the nine-member panel officially recommended that California state legislators allocate funds to pay African American residents of the state, according to historical discrimination.

According to the task force's recommendation, certain qualifying Black Californians could receive up to $1.2 million in reparations.

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[240B]

I want 500 million dollars
A full pallet of gold bricks
A mansion on the coast
Free food for life
Free healthcare and dental
A new White Ferrari
A million dollars a month for life
25 White servants in my mansion (White only)
A vineyard in Napa Valley
A Ranch in Montana
and a partridge in a pear tree

[Kamaji]

If you can find a former slave-owner who's still alive, go for it.  Otherwise, those who didn't own slaves don't owe a red cent, particularly not to those who were never slaves in the first place.

[catfish1957]

Really think any discussions around reparations ought to have inclusion of post 1960 welfare and other entitlements. 

They might be surprised who owes who.......

[Kamaji]

Really think any discussions around reparations ought to have inclusion of post 1960 welfare and other entitlements. 

They might be surprised who owes who.......

Exactly!!!!!!

[Smokin Joe]

Discussion?

That's the problem.

That anyone even discussed this nonsense, so now the numbers are insane.

Just say "no".

[The_Reader_David]

If you can find a former slave-owner who's still alive, go for it.  Otherwise, those who didn't own slaves don't owe a red cent, particularly not to those who were never slaves in the first place.

Actually, there might be an argument that the heirs of slaveholders owe something to the descendants of the particular slaves their ancestors owned, but beyond that I can't see any even moderately sound concept of justice under which black folk are owed reparations for slavery from anyone.  Those reparations were paid in the blood of Union soldiers.  Maybe realty companies that engaged in red lining owe some the differential between the inter-generational wealth created by whatever home black folk were allowed to buy and the one they could have bought absent red lining.  But justice is always applicable to individuals, not groups.  As Hayek pointed out "social justice" is at best an oxymoron, at worst a con.

BTW, keep the Benin Bronzes, rather than returning them to the descendants of the slave-taking kings who sold many of the slaves who came to the New World to Europeans, let the descendants of the slaves enjoy them in the American museums where they now reside.

[Kamaji]

Actually, there might be an argument that the heirs of slaveholders owe something to the descendants of the particular slaves their ancestors owned, but beyond that I can't see any even moderately sound concept of justice under which black folk are owed reparations for slavery from anyone.  Those reparations were paid in the blood of Union soldiers.  Maybe realty companies that engaged in red lining owe some the differential between the inter-generational wealth created by whatever home black folk were allowed to buy and the one they could have bought absent red lining.  But justice is always applicable to individuals, not groups.  As Hayek pointed out "social justice" is at best an oxymoron, at worst a con.

BTW, keep the Benin Bronzes, rather than returning them to the descendants of the slave-taking kings who sold many of the slaves who came to the New World to Europeans, let the descendants of the slaves enjoy them in the American museums where they now reside.

Two other points that would have to be factored in:  (a) that the Great Depression was a wealth-destroying disaster, and therefore to the extent that most blacks might have had more wealth if there had been no slavery - ignoring, for the moment, that no slavery would mean that they all stayed back in Africa, where they would be immeasurably poorer than they were even right after slavery was abolished - that wealth would have mostly evaporated during the Great Depression, and (b) to the extent that the lasting effects of slavery are economic, the fact that blacks have disproportionately received welfare benefits over the last 60 years or so should also be taken into account and offset against any supposed claim for reparations.

In short, the bill has been paid, in both blood and treasure, and nothing further is owed.

[PeteS in CA]

The Reparations @#$% is about to hit the legislature's and Goobernor Noisome's fan.

[bigheadfred]

If you can find a former slave-owner who's still alive, go for it.  Otherwise, those who didn't own slaves don't owe a red cent, particularly not to those who were never slaves in the first place.

I wonder if there is a break off point for lineage?  Say I had a great, great aunt that married a former slave. Do I deserve reparations? Along with everyone else who could prove some lineage.

I bet there are a lot of black people who assume they are descended from a slave just because they are black and deserve reparations. It will be a big slap if they find out they they have nothing coming.

And what about future progeny? Every kid born after would be necessarily entitled. In perpetuity

[SZonian]

"Actually, there might be an argument that the heirs of slaveholders owe something to the descendants of the particular slaves their ancestors owned..."

A "sins of the father" position won't float with me. And I honestly have no idea if any of my ancestors owned any nor would I care.

These people have been handed a silver spoon, platter and gateway and have utterly pissed it away on their own. To hell with them.

[Kamaji]

"Actually, there might be an argument that the heirs of slaveholders owe something to the descendants of the particular slaves their ancestors owned..."

A "sins of the father" position won't float with me. And I honestly have no idea if any of my ancestors owned any nor would I care.

These people have been handed a silver spoon, platter and gateway and have utterly pissed it away on their own. To hell with them.

[mountaineer]

I want 500 million dollars
A full pallet of gold bricks
A mansion on the coast
Free food for life
Free healthcare and dental
A new White Ferrari
A million dollars a month for life
25 White servants in my mansion (White only)
A vineyard in Napa Valley
A Ranch in Montana
and a partridge in a pear tree

I want a pony.

[Kamaji]

I want a pony.

I want a rainbow-colored unicorn!

[bigheadfred]

I want a rainbow-colored unicorn!

Finally. A doable request.

[Fishrrman]

Fred wrote big with:
"And what about future progeny? Every kid born after would be necessarily entitled. In perpetuity"

That's part of the plan.
But nobody's talkin' about it yet.

[sneakypete]

Fred wrote big with:
"And what about future progeny? Every kid born after would be necessarily entitled. In perpetuity"

That's part of the plan.
But nobody's talkin' about it yet.

@Fishrrman

Since I am 1/4 Tuscarora Indian and my family land in both New York and North  Carolina were stolen from me,STOLEN,AH TELLS YA!,I want my family land back,and I want rent plus interest for all the money made from that land by the people who stole it from my grandmother!

Anybody that thinks African slaves got a bad deal needs to look at what was done to Native Americans.

BTW,I have no idea who was here before the people we call "Native Americans" moved in an killed them and enslaved any attractive women they might have had were,but lets give them some money,too!

Assuming of course they can be identified genetically as what passes for the "Original Americans". I kinda have my  doubts.

[sneakypete]

Fred wrote big with:
"And what about future progeny? Every kid born after would be necessarily entitled. In perpetuity"

That's part of the plan.
But nobody's talkin' about it yet.

@Fishrrman

You don't think all that "free stuff" is a part of the plan to  turn  America into a slave state owned by international bankers,do you?

One of my biggest regrets is knowing I will never live long enough to see THAT happen,and the results it brings.

[Smokin Joe]

"Actually, there might be an argument that the heirs of slaveholders owe something to the descendants of the particular slaves their ancestors owned..."

A "sins of the father" position won't float with me. And I honestly have no idea if any of my ancestors owned any nor would I care.

These people have been handed a silver spoon, platter and gateway and have utterly pissed it away on their own. To hell with them.

The whole sins of the father argument ignores the fact that after the war, few slaveholders had anything. Crops seized or burned, taxed off their land, and divested of valuable assets without compensation, they were often as destitute as the former slaves. During the decades of segregation, however, advancements were made in parallel societies in which traditionally black colleges provided an education in law, medicine, and other professions, and the ticket seen, as late as the early 60s, and serving in the military with an eye toward the GI Bill was as much a ticket to success as starting a business.

Then Vietnam and the Great Society and The New Left made a mess of that, and here we are, at the end of 50 years of that mess. The problems are cultural, where a churchgoing social subgroup aiming for meritorious success, employed, two parent families, were scuttled as they were really getting going. The Libertine lies of the Leftists have severely damaged the demographic, and are coming for anyone and everyone else next.