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The New Arab Staff & Agencies 24 June, 2023

The Leader of Russian mercenary group Wagner said he has launched an armed attempt to topple the country's military leadership in Moscow.

The head of the Russian mercenary group Wagner vowed Saturday to take all necessary steps to topple the country's military leadership in Moscow, saying his forces would "destroy everything" in their way.

"We are going onwards and we will go to the end," Yevgeny Prigozhin said in a new audio message after vowing to sideline Russia's military leadership.

Yevgeny Prigozhin said his forces had entered the southern Russian region of Rostov but did not provide any proof and AFP could not independently verify his claims.

"We will destroy everything that stands in our way," he added.

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Russian mercenary chief says his forces are rebelling, some left Ukraine and entered Russia city

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The owner of the Wagner private military contractor made his most direct challenge to the Kremlin yet on Friday, calling for an armed rebellion aimed at ousting Russia’s defense minister. The security services reacted immediately by calling for the arrest of Yevgeny Prigozhin.

In a sign of how seriously the Kremlin was taking the threat, security was heightened in Moscow and in Rostov-on-Don, which is home to the Russian military headquarters for the southern region and also oversees the fighting in Ukraine.

While the outcome of the confrontation was still unclear, it appeared likely to further hinder Moscow’s war effort as Kyiv’s forces were probing Russian defenses in the initial stages of a counteroffensive.

Prigozhin claimed early Saturday that his forces had crossed into Russia from Ukraine and had reached Rostov, saying they faced no resistance from young conscripts at checkpoints and that his forces “aren’t fighting against children.”



The owner of the Wagner private military contractor made his most direct challenge to the Kremlin yet on Friday, calling for an armed rebellion aimed at ousting Russia’s defense minister. The security services reacted immediately by calling for the arrest of Yevgeny Prigozhin.

In a sign of how seriously the Kremlin was taking the threat, security was heightened in Moscow and in Rostov-on-Don, which is home to the Russian military headquarters for the southern region and also oversees the fighting in Ukraine.

While the outcome of the confrontation was still unclear, it appeared likely to further hinder Moscow’s war effort as Kyiv’s forces were probing Russian defenses in the initial stages of a counteroffensive.

Prigozhin claimed early Saturday that his forces had crossed into Russia from Ukraine and had reached Rostov, saying they faced no resistance from young conscripts at checkpoints and that his forces “aren’t fighting against children.”

“But we will destroy anyone who stands in our way,” he said in one of a series of angry video and audio recordings posted on social media beginning late Friday. “We are moving forward and will go until the end.”

He claimed that the chief of the General Staff, Gen. Valery Gerasimov, scrambled warplanes to strike Wagner’s convoys, which were driving alongside ordinary vehicles. Prigozhin also said his forces shot down a Russian military helicopter that fired on a civilian convoy, but there was no independent confirmation.

And despite Prigozhin’s statements that Wagner convoys had entered Rostov-on-Don, there was no confirmation of that yet on Russian social networks. Videos showed heavy trucks blocking highways leading to the city, long convoys of National Guard trucks were seen on a road outside Rostov-on-Don and armored vehicles were roaming the streets.

Prigozhin said Wagner field camps in Ukraine were struck by rockets, helicopter gunships and artillery fire on orders from Gerasimov following a meeting with Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, at which they decided to destroy Wagner.

The Wagner forces have played a crucial role in Russia’s war in Ukraine, succeeding in taking the city where the bloodiest and longest battles have taken place, Bakhmut. But Prigozhin has increasingly criticized Russia’s military brass, accusing it of incompetence and of starving his troops of weapons and ammunition.

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Putin in crisis: Wagner chief Prigozhin declares war on Russian military leadership, says ‘we will destroy everything’

https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-in-crisis-as-wagner-chief-prigozhin-declares-war-on-russian-military-leadership/

Russia’s FSB security service opens criminal case against mercenary boss, as he vows to steamroll over anyone who gets in his way.

Vladimir Putin is facing a major military crisis after Russian mercenary leader Yevgeny Prigozhin declared war on Moscow’s own defense ministry, claiming Kremlin officials had killed thousands of his soldiers.

In a statement issued Friday night, the FSB security agency said it had “legally and reasonably begun criminal proceedings” against the Wagner Group warlord “for the organization of armed insurrection.”

Prigozhin, meanwhile, claimed he had pulled his troops back from Ukraine and into Russia’s Rostov, and vowed: “If anyone gets in our way, we will destroy everything!”

POLITICO could not verify the claim that Wagner troops had entered Rostov and Prigozhin did not present evidence of the massive troop movements he claimed were underway.

The feud between Prigozhin and Russia’s ministry of defense has been building for months but now appears to have boiled over.

What we know so far

•   Russia’s FSB security agency said it has opened a criminal case against Prigozhin “for the organization of armed insurrection.”

•   Prigozhin claimed his troops have moved into Russia’s Rostov, and vowed: “If anyone gets in our way, we will destroy everything!”

•   The governor of Rostov warned residents to stay indoors.

•   Russia’s defense ministry warned Ukrainian forces are “taking advantage of Prigozhin’s provocation” on the front lines around Bakhmut.

•   Prigozhin claims around 100,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the war on Ukraine.

•   Putin has been briefed on the situation, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said, according to Russian state media.

•   Prigozhin’s move comes after he claimed 2,000 Wagner men were killed as a result of strikes ordered by Russia’s Ministry of Defense.

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I'll believe it when bullets start to fly in Russia.

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Russian mercenary chief says his forces are rebelling, some left Ukraine and entered Russia city

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-war-russia-nuclear-647a545db4e4628676ff7db5b1bded34


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The owner of the Wagner private military contractor made his most direct challenge to the Kremlin yet on Friday, calling for an armed rebellion aimed at ousting Russia’s defense minister. The security services reacted immediately by calling for the arrest of Yevgeny Prigozhin.

This guy has "bitten the bullet" now. He either wins his war against Putin,or he dies. There is no in-between.

 
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I'll believe it when bullets start to fly in Russia.

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They are already flying. Maybe not in Moscow,but that has to be where he is trying  to go.

It is now a "win or die" situation for him.
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Putin in crisis: Wagner chief Prigozhin declares war on Russian military leadership, says ‘we will destroy everything’

 
The feud between Prigozhin and Russia’s ministry of defense has been building for months but now appears to have boiled over.

What we know so far

 
•   Prigozhin claims around 100,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in the war on Ukraine.

 

 

@Elderberry

Does anyone know if that is even within shouting distance of the actual Soviet deaths?

IF it is,that is not going to set well with the typical Russian subject.
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Wagner Troops Take Over Military Headquarters in Southern Russia as Mutiny Spreads







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Brother now attacking brother, such hate can only be infused by the enemy. “Be angry and do not sin; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and give no opportunity to the devil” (Eph. 4:26-27)
So some  Russian soldiers have turned as well?
Who is sponsoring such an attack on Russia?

https://defiantamerica.com/just-in-the-civil-war-has-officially-begun-wagner-linked-telegram-videos-from-all-over-russia-seems-to-confirm-this/

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Either he is running away or he has a bigger plan...

I'm not saying it is the same thing but it looks similar to what happened to Erdogan. Not only he came back from the coup but he's strengthened his power to the point that he's still Turkey's president

https://www.usasupreme.com/breaking-apparently-one-of-two-planes-used-by-the-president-of-russia-took-off-from-moscow-the-plane-allegedly-wasnt-allowed-to-enter-kazakhstan-airspace-screenshot/


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The President Versus The Pastry Chef: Putin Calls Wagner Group Rebellion “A Knife In The Back Of Russian People”
By Caroline Frost   
June 24, 2023 4:20am
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President Vladimir Putin has made a public address to the Russian people, following moves by the mercenary Wagner group to seize and occupy a Russian military headquarters in the town of Rostov-on-Don, on the country’s southern border with Ukraine.

The Wagner group is led by Yevgeny Prigozhin – a former associate of Putin whose one-time catering contracts with the Kremlin has earned him the description of “pastry chef.” He has called for rebellion against  the Russian military machine, but denied he is attempting to orchestrate a political coup.

In Putin’s address, he called the group’s actions “a betrayal – a knife in the back of our people.”  ...

An intelligence update from the UK Ministry of Defence called this “the most significant challenge to the Russian state in recent times” and described the feud as escalating into a military confrontation. ...
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Putin's plane supposedly left Moscow a few hours ago.

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Kremlin Coup? Wagner Group Chief Refuses to Surrender as His Forces Reportedly March on Moscow

Yevgeny Prigozhin refused to surrender amid claims of a coup attempt against the Kremlin and warnings that his forces are marching on Moscow.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/06/24/wagner-group-chief-refuses-to-surrender-as-his-forces-reportedly-march-on-moscow/
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I'm a bit puzzled. From where Wagner Group orcs had been fighting in Bakhmut, Rostov-on-Don and Moscow are in opposite directions. Did the Wagner Group orcs split into two different bands?
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Russia coup: Here’s what to know about the Wagner rebellion against the Russian military
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The Russian military was thrown into disarray after the leader of a private mercenary group rebelled against the Kremlin on Friday, marking the greatest challenge to President Vladimir Putin’s leadership in over two decades.

Wagner mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin led his troops out of Ukraine and into a key city south of Moscow, dealing a blow to Russian military efforts and raising the stakes of civil war amid the country’s invasion of Ukraine. Putin responded to the move on Friday, calling the uprising "a stab in the back.”

Here’s what we know so far about the uprising:

Why did Wagner mercenaries revolt?

The revolt comes after Prigozhin accused the Russian military of attacking his Wagner military forces on Friday, vowing to retaliate against the Kremlin. The Wagner leader accused the Russian military of killing a “huge amount” of his men, warning he would “destroy” any resistance to their group.

“There are 25,000 of us, and we are going to find out why there is such chaos in the country,” Prigozhin said.

The group of mercenaries then marched to Rostov-on-Don, with Prigozhin releasing a video saying they would blockade the area until Russia’s top military generals came to meet with them.

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1 division of mercenaries isn't able to be defeated by the russian military? Yikes...

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1 division of mercenaries isn't able to be defeated by the russian military? Yikes...

Virtually the entire active Russian army is currently tied down in Ukraine.
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Russia coup latest: Putin calls Wagner Group's armed rebellion 'treason,' vows to punish
By AP StaffPublished June 24, 2023 8:37AMRussia-UkraineAssociated Press
 

President Vladimir Putin vowed Saturday to punish the organizers of an armed rebellion in Russia after mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin led his troops out of Ukraine and into a key southern city.

Putin denounced the uprising as "a stab in the back." It was the biggest threat to his leadership in over two decades in power.
 
The private army led by Prigozhin appeared to control the military headquarters in Rostov-on-Don, a city 660 miles (over 1,000 kilometers) south of Moscow that runs Russian offensive operations in Ukraine, Britain’s Ministry of Defense said.

As the fast-moving events unfolded in Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Moscow is suffering "full-scale weakness" and that Kyiv was protecting Europe from "the spread of Russian evil and chaos."

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Putin’s plane has left Moscow for St. Petersburg.

Looks like he is fleeing from the advancing Wagner Group military column

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Zelenakiy stood fast in Kyiv while Russian troops surrounded the city on three sides.
Putin flees Moscow while mercenary troops close withing 500 miles of the city driving up a divided highway.

Tell me which one has balls of steel.
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This is the kind of event where Twitter shines brightly. Lots of interesting information coming out that can be accessed over there.  At this point, it is unclear whether this is a plus or a minus for the west. Some reports say Wagner is a de facto Nazi, others say he wants to settle with Ukraine.

The instability of nuclear weapons control is certainly the most alarming aspect of this. If the coup succeeds without a nuke being used, then it is going to raise alarm bells with every regime that thinks having nukes makes them safe. That might be a good thing.

On the other hand.... well, that is unthinkable.

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Zelenakiy stood fast in Kyiv while Russian troops surrounded the city on three sides.
Putin flees Moscow while mercenary troops close withing 500 miles of the city driving up a divided highway.

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Why did Wagner mercenaries revolt?

The revolt comes after Prigozhin accused the Russian military of attacking his Wagner military forces on Friday, vowing to retaliate against the Kremlin. The Wagner leader accused the Russian military of killing a “huge amount” of his men, warning he would “destroy” any resistance to their group.

As a video commentator said in his recent video, there are three basic possibilities here:

1. Russian forces really did attack Wagner forces, and Prigozhin decided that enough is enough;

2. Prigozhin finally reached a breaking point in the months-long tensions and made up the attack as a fake pretext for turning on the Russian military;

3. A notoriously "reliable" Russian missile accidentally hit Wagner forces and Prigozhin decided it was intentional.
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Virtually the entire active Russian army is currently tied down in Ukraine.

Not literally, of course, but those providing security in areas well away from the front lines aren't the brightest and best, and their "leaders" are probably of similar quality.
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