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Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« on: June 09, 2023, 07:18:49 pm »
Here we go again!  This is my concern.  Trump is going through lawyers -- I understand why they resigned, but definitely not a good sign especially since he's due to appear in court soon.  These are federal charges.  7 federal charges and prior to that he's facing 34 other charges.  IMHO not a snowball's chance that he's not going to do time.

Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment

Former President Donald Trump and two of his top attorneys representing him in Special Counsel Jack Smith's investigation parted ways Friday, just a day after he was indicted.

Trump, the current front-runner in the 2024 Republican presidential primary, was indicted on at least seven counts involving obstruction of justice, conspiracy, and illegal retention of classified government material. He has been ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday. The indictment remains under seal.

The lawyers representing him ahead of his indictment, Jim Trusty and John Rowley, resigned Friday.

"This morning we tendered our resignations as counsel to President Trump, and we will no longer represent him on either the indicted case or the January 6 investigation," Trusty and Rowley said in a statement. "It has been an honor to have spent the last year defending him, and we know he will be vindicated in his battle against the Biden Administration’s partisan weaponization of the American justice system."

"Now that the case has been filed in Miami, this is a logical moment for us to step aside and let others carry the cases through to completion," they added. "We have no plans to hold media appearances that address our withdrawals or any other confidential communications we’ve had with the President or his legal team." ............

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-bring-on-new-legal-team-after-federal-indictment
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2023, 07:26:41 pm »
Trump is moving on from defense lawyers to trial lawyers.
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2023, 07:29:03 pm »
This is not good.

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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2023, 07:38:11 pm »
Trump is moving on from defense lawyers to trial lawyers.

He needs both; ultimately a very good, solid, unbeatable team of lawyers.  He's gone through several lawyers, so, no, things are not looking up for Trump.
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2023, 08:19:52 pm »
He needs both; ultimately a very good, solid, unbeatable team of lawyers.  He's gone through several lawyers, so, no, things are not looking up for Trump.

Lawyers can't do much when their client knows best and can't shut up.

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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2023, 08:24:17 pm »
Lawyers can't do much when their client knows best and can't shut up.

Trump does know exactly what happened.  He also knows that he's fighting against a corrupt DOJ that wants to prevent him from running again AND he also knows he's done what other presidents have done.

So in the aspect, he needs to keep voicing what happened.  His lawyers need him to tell them everything; not for him to shut up.

His biggest problem is finding lawyers that are trustworthy and competent which may be very hard to do considering how corrupt our DOJ is.
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2023, 08:31:02 pm »
Trump does know exactly what happened.  He also knows that he's fighting against a corrupt DOJ that wants to prevent him from running again AND he also knows he's done what other presidents have done.

So in the aspect, he needs to keep voicing what happened.  His lawyers need him to tell them everything; not for him to shut up.

His biggest problem is finding lawyers that are trustworthy and competent which may be very hard to do considering how corrupt our DOJ is.

The government wouldn't have a tape of him talking about what they are charging with if he would have kept his mouth shut.
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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2023, 09:21:45 pm »
Trump does know exactly what happened.  He also knows that he's fighting against a corrupt DOJ that wants to prevent him from running again AND he also knows he's done what other presidents have done.

So in the aspect, he needs to keep voicing what happened.  His lawyers need him to tell them everything; not for him to shut up.

His biggest problem is finding lawyers that are trustworthy and competent which may be very hard to do considering how corrupt our DOJ is.

I don't think this is about preventing him from running at all. Quite the opposite. They want him to be the nominee with this heavy millstone tied around his neck adding certainty that he loses the National election to Bided who will be  running from his basement again. Best thing for him to do is end his bid for the Whitehouse and back the only person who can Pardon him if he is convicted. 
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2023, 09:45:33 pm »
I don't think this is about preventing him from running at all. Quite the opposite. They want him to be the nominee with this heavy millstone tied around his neck adding certainty that he loses the National election to Bided who will be  running from his basement again. Best thing for him to do is end his bid for the Whitehouse and back the only person who can Pardon him if he is convicted.
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2023, 10:04:28 pm »
Lawyers can't do much when their client knows best and can't shut up.
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1)  He's never going to shut up, won't follow your advice, and likely will try to put you into compromising ethical situations

2) He's probably going to dispute your bill and try to force you to give him a discount.

That's why Trump had guys like Michael Cohen doing his legal work -- because the better lawyers don't want to deal with the headaches and heartaches Trump is sure to bring.  And why should they?
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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2023, 10:08:03 pm »

His biggest problem is finding lawyers that are trustworthy and competent which may be very hard to do considering how corrupt our DOJ is[/b].

That's not why he can't find trustworthy and competent lawyers -- DOJ has nothing to do with that.


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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2023, 10:08:52 pm »
The fact that his lawyers are walking away cannot bode well for Trump...

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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2023, 10:28:58 pm »
The government wouldn't have a tape of him taking about what they are charging with if he would have kept his mouth shut.

Exactly.

The details in that indictment are interesting.  Normally, things like intent in these kind of cases can be very difficult to prove, which is why prosecutions can be so difficult.  As we all know, there were classified documents found at Pence's house, Biden's etc..  But one defense they'll all use is to say "Hey, there were many thousands of documents in those boxes, I never went through all those boxes, and so didn't even know those classified docs were in there. Sorry -- here they are."

Now, you may think that's a lame excuse, but that doesn't make it any less effective in those kind of cases where you have to prove every element, including state of mind, beyond a reasonable doubt.

The problem for Trump is that he apparently shot off his mouth to various people from whom sworn testimony has been obtained.  And that testimony is that he knew he had classified documents, actually showed those documents to social acquaintances who didn't even have security clearances, while stating that he probably shouldn't be showing those documents to them.  I mean, WTF????  He also directed people to move boxes that he knew had classified documents to places where his attorneys would not be looking.  And it goes on an on.

This is serious stuff, and I honestly never thought it would be that bad.  His defense of "well, other Presidents did the same thing" is going to fall pretty damn flat because he just isn't going to be able to show that.  It's just...ridiculous.  And immature as hell, like he thinks it's some giant game or something.

That is just mind-numbingly stupid conduct.  It's the mindset of a kid who steals something and then shows his friends because he wants them to think he's cool.  I honestly hoped/expected this would all be just the criminalization of ordinary conduct.  It isn't.  Trump has screwed himself.

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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2023, 10:30:10 pm »
The fact that his lawyers are walking away cannot bode well for Trump...

And those were well-respected, non-sleazy guys with a lot of experience.  And they've apparently decided to run away from the coming train wreck as fast as they can.  And I don't blame them in the least.

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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2023, 10:45:01 pm »
Exactly.

The details in that indictment are interesting.  Normally, things like intent in these kind of cases can be very difficult to prove, which is why prosecutions can be so difficult.  As we all know, there were classified documents found at Pence's house, Biden's etc..  But one defense they'll all use is to say "Hey, there were many thousands of documents in those boxes, I never went through all those boxes, and so didn't even know those classified docs were in there. Sorry -- here they are."

Now, you may think that's a lame excuse, but that doesn't make it any less effective in those kind of cases where you have to prove every element, including state of mind, beyond a reasonable doubt.

The problem for Trump is that he apparently shot off his mouth to various people from whom sworn testimony has been obtained.  And that testimony is that he knew he had classified documents, actually showed those documents to social acquaintances who didn't even have security clearances, while stating that he probably shouldn't be showing those documents to them.  I mean, WTF????  He also directed people to move boxes that he knew had classified documents to places where his attorneys would not be looking.  And it goes on an on.

This is serious stuff, and I honestly never thought it would be that bad.  His defense of "well, other Presidents did the same thing" is going to fall pretty damn flat because he just isn't going to be able to show that.  It's just...ridiculous.  And immature as hell, like he thinks it's some giant game or something.

That is just mind-numbingly stupid conduct.  It's the mindset of a kid who steals something and then shows his friends because he wants them to think he's cool.  I honestly hoped/expected this would all be just the criminalization of ordinary conduct.  It isn't.  Trump has screwed himself.

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Re: Trump, lawyers part ways after federal indictment
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2023, 10:59:24 pm »
Trump is moving on from defense lawyers to trial lawyers.

Those guys WERE trial lawyers.  Did you read their bios? 
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« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2023, 11:10:18 pm »
Jonathan Turley: This indictment is a ‘serious threat,’ ‘significant impact’

https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-trump-indictment-documents-whole-different-ballgame-jonathan-turley

Turley seems to know what he's talking about.

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« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2023, 11:39:28 pm »
   Jury's still out for me but it's looking more and more like another Trump obstinate moment where he decided to get into a pizzing contest with the Presidential Record people, unfortunate, but that is what I expect of Trump. 
   Reminds me of the Aesop Fable 'The boy who cried Wolf'. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2023, 12:05:52 am »
If you know they're out to get you, why make it so easy for them?

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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2023, 12:20:34 am »
Robert Barnes
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Any executive branch document created before or during a Presidency is the President's to do with as he pleases. That's the point of The Presidential Records Act. It has to be that way to keep Constitutional power in the hands of the only elected official of the executive branch.

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I wonder what his poll numbers will be when he's in jail?

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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2023, 12:26:58 am »
   They should put him in Ghislane's cell.

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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2023, 12:43:50 am »
If you know they're out to get you, why make it so easy for them?

There's a basic rule to not arm your enemy. Trump can't help himself. I sure looks like Trump is going down on this one, short of jury nullification or a pardon.

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