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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #100 on: May 20, 2023, 05:02:25 pm »
Here's the nub:  Desantis admits in his recent book that Disney speaking out against Florida's Don't Say Gay bill was both his motivation for and what made these changes possible after all these decades.

You're talking about a book that was written months before Florida's "Parental Rights in Education" bill became law.  btw, only liberals (falsely) call it "Florida's Don't Say Gay bill".
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #101 on: May 20, 2023, 05:03:14 pm »
That's right - But beyond that, Disney is practicing (with impunity, favor) violations of the Judeo-Christian Ethic.

Where does the Constitution give the government the right to punish or eliminate those who do not act in accordance with your personal interpretation of a religious doctrine?


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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #102 on: May 20, 2023, 05:04:54 pm »
Where does the Constitution give the government the right to punish or eliminate those who do not act in accordance with your personal interpretation of a religious doctrine?

Amendment X.  For States, anyway.  Not that this is actually what happened.  Hypothetically, of course.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #103 on: May 20, 2023, 05:09:00 pm »
Biden and the left target corporations all the time.

You didn't answer the question asked.

Is it the right thing to do and do you agree with Biden taking action?

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #104 on: May 20, 2023, 05:11:12 pm »
The Constitutional thing to do here is to apply Equal Protection.  Which is exactly what Governor DeSantis did.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2023, 07:21:53 pm »
Where does the Constitution give the government the right to punish or eliminate those who do not act in accordance with your personal interpretation of a religious doctrine?


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Who said anything about the Constitution?  This is State law. @Right_in_Virginia

And it has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with ethics. And ethics are what drive our laws.
There is no ethical (moral) neutral.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #106 on: May 20, 2023, 07:24:07 pm »
You didn't answer the question asked.

Is it the right thing to do and do you agree with Biden taking action?

Incidental to the question, as this is state law, which is different than federal, and swings a much wider swath. And even in that, it depends upon the purpose and consequence wrt 'right thing to do'.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #107 on: May 20, 2023, 07:25:10 pm »
The Constitutional thing to do here is to apply Equal Protection.  Which is exactly what Governor DeSantis did.

That's right.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #108 on: May 21, 2023, 05:42:24 am »
Incidental to the question, as this is state law, which is different than federal, and swings a much wider swath. And even in that, it depends upon the purpose and consequence wrt 'right thing to do'.

State law and/or actions cannot strip individuals or entities of rights and protections guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States. Not even Florida.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #109 on: May 21, 2023, 05:43:38 am »
The Constitutional thing to do here is to apply Equal Protection.  Which is exactly what Governor DeSantis did.

No, the thing here is to apply the First Amendment.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2023, 06:03:46 am »
State law and/or actions cannot strip individuals or entities of rights and protections guaranteed under the Constitution of the United States. Not even Florida.

DeSantis has not stripped rights from anyone, nor attempted to.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #111 on: May 21, 2023, 06:04:54 am »
No, the thing here is to apply the First Amendment.

Nonsense. One cannot imagine a bigger megaphone than Disney has.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #112 on: May 21, 2023, 06:22:02 am »
Who said anything about the Constitution?  This is State law. @Right_in_Virginia

State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

Here are your previous statements @roamer_1 :

Foremost he rose to protect the principles of the Christian Right, as found in the Greater Judeo-Christian Ethic.

Disney is practicing (with impunity, favor) violations of the Judeo-Christian Ethic

Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2023, 06:24:07 am »
DeSantis has not stripped rights from anyone, nor attempted to.

This is now up to the courts to sort through.




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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2023, 06:26:19 am »
Nonsense. One cannot imagine a bigger megaphone than Disney has.

You're helping the plaintiff here     :laugh:

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #115 on: May 21, 2023, 01:06:44 pm »
This link has the info I referred to above, https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/chris-queen/2023/05/19/disney-cancels-1-billion-project-in-florida-but-not-for-the-reason-the-media-wants-you-to-believe-n1696612 .

Yup.  A quote from the NYT hitpiece contained in that article:

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    The Lake Nona campus, about 20 miles from Disney World near the Orlando International Airport, had been championed by Bob Chapek, who served as Disney’s chief executive from 2020 until he was fired last year. Mr. Iger, who came out of retirement to retake Disney’s reins, was much less enthusiastic about the project — even before the company became mired in its battle with Mr. DeSantis. As soon as he returned to Disney, Mr. Iger began telling lieutenants, for instance, that it made little sense to move Imagineering so far away from Disney’s movie studios. As he is fond of saying, “Creative teams need to be together.”

    Mr. Iger has been systematically reversing Mr. Chapek’s decisions. In February, for instance, he announced that Disney would restructure its inner workings, ending a framework put in place by Mr. Chapek. In March, as part of wide-ranging layoffs, Mr. Iger shut down a 50-person metaverse project that Mr. Chapek had started [emphasis added].

Basically, cancellation of this project had nothing to do with DeSantis.

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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #116 on: May 21, 2023, 02:44:22 pm »
State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

Here are your previous statements @roamer_1 :

Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

Wow!  My Sunday surprise!  You will actually defend the LGBT+ crowd for an opportunity to bash DeSantis.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #117 on: May 21, 2023, 02:50:54 pm »
No, the thing here is to apply the First Amendment.

@Right_in_Virginia

Here it is yet again:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

How is the First Amendment being violated?  You have been asked this question each and every time you have brought up the First Amendment.  And each and every time, you fail to make a case.  It leads me to believe that you are simply blurting out whatever crap you read in left-wing DeSantis-bashing narratives with no clue what it means.  And more importantly, no regard for whether it is true or even makes sense.  So again we reach this crossroad.  Except this time, you have had four previous opportunities to analyze whether or not the statement is true.  Which leads me to believe that deep down you know it isn't true, yet you parrot the words anyway in order to deceive others here.  There is a word for people who do that.

So here again is another opportunity for you.  Either show exactly how the First Amendment is related to this conversation, or admit that it does not.  Anything else shows you that 'truth' simply isn't something you care about.  But I suspect we already know the answer to that.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #118 on: May 21, 2023, 02:51:22 pm »
Wow!  My Sunday surprise!  You will actually defend the LGBT+ crowd for an opportunity to bash DeSantis.

Amazing, isn't it.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #119 on: May 21, 2023, 03:02:32 pm »
Remembering the United States is a nation founded on the rule of law, not men (and is not a Theocracy) ----- Tell us what law Disney has broken.

Whoa, hold on.  You just switched arguments here.  (See: Logical fallacy - Strawman argument).  How about instead you tell us what law DeSantis broke since that has been the gist of your argument since you began parroting Disney's weak legal arguments on the other thread.

No one here is saying that Disney broke the law (which you know full well).  So how about you backing up your own argument instead.  How is it 'illegal' to apply Equal Protection to companies doing business in Florida?
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2023, 03:07:15 pm »
State law/action does not trump the guaranteed rights and protections in the US Constitution.

What Constitutional right or protection is being violated here?  Please be specific.  And please don't do what Democrats do by blurting out generic statements of unconstitutionality without being able to explain the violation.  I hate it when people do that.  It lacks intelligence and critical thought.  And more importantly, it lacks integrity.  So don't be one of those people.  Step up and make your case.  Pinpoint the right or protection that is being violated.  Here's a link that you may find helpful:  https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2023, 03:19:09 pm »
Wow!  My Sunday surprise!  You will actually defend the LGBT+ crowd for an opportunity to bash DeSantis.

 @Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.


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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2023, 03:27:54 pm »
What Constitutional right or protection is being violated here?  Please be specific.

Already done multiple times, on this very thread.  Use your scroll buttons and catch up. 



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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2023, 03:31:30 pm »
@Cyber Liberty   I am defending the rule of law and the Constitution of the United States --  And you know that.

No, you're  not.
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Re: Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida
« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2023, 03:35:01 pm »
Already done multiple times, on this very thread.  Use your scroll buttons and catch up.

Nowhere in this thread or the previous thread have you cited a single word of the Constitution.  Either you can make your case or you cannot.  And so far, it is clear that you cannot.  Yet here you are again piling lie on top of lie.  Do you know what that makes you?
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