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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2525 on: March 22, 2024, 08:25:02 pm »
Latest reports, the building is on fire, part of the roof collapsed and people are still trapped inside... and the people thought to be responsible are still at large.
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The roof of Crocus City Hall concert venue in Moscow is starting to collapse from the intense flames, which is making it difficult for rescue workers to locate and rescue anyone still trapped inside. Firefighters managed to rescue over a hundred people from the basement.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2526 on: March 22, 2024, 09:28:44 pm »
Seems like the Chechens' modus operandi for such attacks.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2527 on: March 22, 2024, 11:24:38 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2528 on: March 23, 2024, 09:36:32 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2529 on: March 23, 2024, 09:43:00 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2530 on: March 24, 2024, 04:29:21 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2531 on: March 24, 2024, 04:33:03 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2532 on: March 24, 2024, 04:42:17 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2533 on: March 24, 2024, 05:17:02 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2534 on: March 24, 2024, 03:15:34 pm »
More about the attacks on Sevastopol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEEYCqLrJYA
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2535 on: March 24, 2024, 10:48:13 pm »
US urges Ukraine to stop attacking Russian oil refineries, report says

https://www.politico.eu/article/report-us-urges-ukraine-stop-attacking-russian-oil-refineries/

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The U.S. has pressed Ukraine to halt drone strikes on Russian energy facilities, fearing that it could provoke massive retaliation and drive up global oil prices.

In recent months, Kyiv has ramped up its strikes against Russian energy infrastructure, hitting several oil refineries across multiple regions, causing financial damage to the Kremlin, which still trades oil and gas despite sanctions.

Now Washington has urged officials in the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and Ukraine’s Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) to put a stop to these attacks, the Financial Times reported Friday, citing three unnamed sources.

The U.S. is concerned that targeting Russia’s energy facilities will impact the Kremlin’s oil production capacity and drive up global prices — ahead of a knife-edge presidential election where prices at the gas pump are bound to be a contentious topic.

EXCERPT

As with Israel, Biden's re-election campaign take precedence over a nation fighting for its very existence.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2536 on: March 24, 2024, 10:52:42 pm »
When Russian tanks, IFVs, and logistics vehicle run on bird-fryer and bird-chopper power Ukraine might consider using its bombs and ammo on other targets. Until then oil refineries are military targets.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2537 on: March 25, 2024, 01:47:27 am »
US urges Ukraine to stop attacking Russian oil refineries, report says

https://www.politico.eu/article/report-us-urges-ukraine-stop-attacking-russian-oil-refineries/

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As with Israel, Biden's re-election campaign take precedence over a nation fighting for its very existence.
Too late. 87 Octane regular gas is up 50 cents/gallon here over the last two months.  At least here it is no secret whose stupid policies have increased fuel costs, and the cost of everything it moves.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2538 on: March 25, 2024, 01:48:46 am »
Too late. 87 Octane regular gas is up 50 cents/gallon here over the last two months.  At least here it is no secret whose stupid policies have increased fuel costs, and the cost of everything it moves.

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The left is doing this purposely in order to make electric cars more attractive.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2539 on: March 25, 2024, 01:53:22 am »
@Smokin Joe

The left is doing this purposely in order to make electric cars more attractive.
You can't make a death box any more attractive. Period. Single digit temperatures, and no way you're going to run the heater (at least the defroster so you can see) and go to the nearest large town, much less make the round trip.

Extra draw to maintain cabin environment and visibility, headlights for inclement weather visibility and night driving, battery performance degrades with decreasing temperature, and a 130 mile trip, minimum.

It just won't work. No one will spring for that under these conditions. not until we get A LOT more 'Global Warming'.

But, since we don't salt our roads, there are fleets of older vehicles in pretty good shape...
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2540 on: March 25, 2024, 02:02:14 am »
You can't make a death box any more attractive. Period. Single digit temperatures, and no way you're going to run the heater (at least the defroster so you can see) and go to the nearest large town, much less make the round trip.

Extra draw to maintain cabin environment and visibility, headlights for inclement weather visibility and night driving, battery performance degrades with decreasing temperature, and a 130 mile trip, minimum.

It just won't work. No one will spring for that under these conditions. not until we get A LOT more 'Global Warming'.

But, since we don't salt our roads, there are fleets of older vehicles in pretty good shape...

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Yes,they will.

The vast majority,anyhow.

The vast majority  of the voters don't live in the hills in remote areas. They live in cities,and many of them are already riding busses to work.

The ones who do drive to work will have no problem with  driving an electric car 10-20 miles to get to work,and  then putting it on a charger so it is ready to drive again when it's time to go home.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2541 on: March 25, 2024, 02:38:19 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2542 on: March 25, 2024, 02:55:09 am »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2543 on: March 25, 2024, 05:45:59 am »
@Smokin Joe

Yes,they will.

The vast majority,anyhow.

The vast majority  of the voters don't live in the hills in remote areas. They live in cities,and many of them are already riding busses to work.

The ones who do drive to work will have no problem with  driving an electric car 10-20 miles to get to work,and  then putting it on a charger so it is ready to drive again when it's time to go home.
About half of America's population does NOT live in cities. If they are already riding buses to work, why do they need a car?

As for the half of America that lives where there is no subway, metro, light rail, or bus service, quite a few of them live where an electric vehicle will simply be a death trap. I know three people who froze to death up here. There have been others. North Dakota may have badlands, but we are mainly notorious for two things: flat and cold. One of the flattest places on Earth is the Red River Valley, an old glacial lake bottom that is flatter than the open ocean. line of sight view is farther because the ocean conforms to the curvature of the earth. So, I'm not exactly sure where you get the Hills thing, but you may have conflated me with someone else.

As for Trump, like the Poles in '39, we will go to war with the army we have.

Y'all made this choice, not me. I'm more worried about the next 8 years of Democrats if he wins, and just hope he found some brakes on a train I keep hearing is going the wrong way. I don't hate the man, and I don't think he had a straight shot from day one, but we are going to have to stop the presses, stop the insanity about energy, do something about the whole alphabet of people who are more concerned with grooming kids than teaching them to read, and stop the damned censorship machine that has become our government--not just try to turn the tables, but shut it down.

I am not hearing nor seeing that. From anyone.

This nation is in deep shit. La Brea tar pits deep, and its going to take someone who has some grit and solid principles to lead it out.
They aren't on the ticket.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2544 on: March 25, 2024, 01:41:30 pm »

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1771828192568877421

"Destroyed" may be an over-statement, but "damaged" is the word I'm hearing. This video speaks of that toward the end and leads with satellite images of damage done in the Storm Shadow attacks on Sevastopol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MQqBjoqWEg

Even if the Su-27s were merely damaged and are repairable they aren't flying missions and repairing them will consume man-hours and expose them to risk while moving them to a repair facility and during repairs.

ETA: More interesting satellite imagery to co9me:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlGZOCz-QiI

Ukraine seems to be using their drones less indiscriminately, targeting logistics and infrastructure the orcish military needs.
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2545 on: March 27, 2024, 12:43:17 am »
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In 2014, russia stole the large landing ship "Kostyantyn Olshansky" from Ukraine when they occupied Crimea.
In 2024, Ukraine struck "Konstantin Olshansky" with a Ukrainian-made "Neptun" missile. russia planned to use the ship against Ukraine.

10 years have passed, but justice has been restored. The russian Black Sea Fleet is suffering in temporarily occupied Crimea. Ukraine will win!



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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2546 on: March 27, 2024, 04:49:03 pm »
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In 2014, russia stole the large landing ship "Kostyantyn Olshansky" from Ukraine when they occupied Crimea.
In 2024, Ukraine struck "Konstantin Olshansky" with a Ukrainian-made "Neptun" missile. russia planned to use the ship against Ukraine.

10 years have passed, but justice has been restored. The russian Black Sea Fleet is suffering in temporarily occupied Crimea. Ukraine will win!
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It is uncertain whether Russia was going to refit the Kostyantyn Olshansky and bring it into use or cannibalize it to repair damaged Russian landing ships of the same class, but Russia uses these ships to transport men and supplies. Whether mission-killed or BER/sunk this loss impacts orcish logistics.

Borrowing a meme from GoogTuber "Suchmimus" Ukraine is converting Russian navy ships into submarines.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2547 on: March 27, 2024, 07:54:21 pm »
Ukraine Losing Patience: Give Us The Damn Weapons

Western allies should hurry up and hand over the “damn” missiles Ukraine demands, their foreign secretary says.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/03/27/ukraine-losing-patience-give-us-the-damn-weapons/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2548 on: March 27, 2024, 08:02:05 pm »
I don't blame them.  Joe Biden's America is an unreliable and untrustworthy ally.  Joe Biden wants his Open Borders more than he wants to help Ukraine.

Ukraine Losing Patience: Give Us The Damn Weapons

Western allies should hurry up and hand over the “damn” missiles Ukraine demands, their foreign secretary says.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/03/27/ukraine-losing-patience-give-us-the-damn-weapons/
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2549 on: March 27, 2024, 10:19:32 pm »
Timing is important, especially with Spring coming on.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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