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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2400 on: March 01, 2024, 11:33:17 pm »

But Putin is a defender of Christendom....

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2401 on: March 01, 2024, 11:37:19 pm »
They are in trouble:



https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1763545600878907847


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Those people have some serious stones,and that sort of thing highlights the prime reasons why those of us in the west should continue to support Ukraine,as well as freedom in Russia.

And this isn't even taking into account the huge numbers of lives that will be saved in the future if the masses in Russia rise up and take back control of their country for the first time (other than the brief period under Yeltsin) in history.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2402 on: March 01, 2024, 11:44:07 pm »
They are in trouble:



https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1763545600878907847


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No matter how desperate the neo-Soviets are to take back total control of Russia and return it to the police state of their dreams,they ARE going to lose in the long run because unlike before,they can NOT control ALL the news.  I am guessing that pretty much everybody  in Russia today that wants a radio or tv to pick up western news reports and tv shows can do so at will,and once THAT cat is out of the box there ain't no putting it back in place.

The oddest thing to ME is that it SEEMS like none of the media that is operating inside Russia is actually reporting causality numbers in Ukraine.

Or maybe they are,and no news outlets in the west are commenting on it?

I may not live to see it,but I suspect Putin will be the "last Soviet Czar".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2403 on: March 01, 2024, 11:46:57 pm »
They are brave:


from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1b3xzmx/an_unexpected_chant_at_navalnys_funeral/


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We may have to invent a new word to describe them because "brave" just doesn't seem to be strong enough to describe people willing to stand up to a total police state.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2404 on: March 02, 2024, 12:32:55 am »
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We may have to invent a new word to describe them because "brave" just doesn't seem to be strong enough to describe people willing to stand up to a total police state.
"Insurrectionists"? "Revolutionaries"?

If Russians are going to throw bodies against machine guns for Russia (time honored military tactic), maybe it should be for their Russia, and not part of some other country.  :shrug:
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2405 on: March 02, 2024, 03:43:09 pm »
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Thousands of Russians defying Putin by attending Navalny’s funeral today.

The more Russian soldiers the Ukrainian Army manages to take off the battlefield permanently, the more unrest there will be in Russia.

A “1917 moment” just might come…


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2406 on: March 03, 2024, 02:06:44 pm »
Fact:


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If he were around today, Ronald Reagan wouldn't think twice about supporting Ukraine because that is the CONSERVATIVE thing to do.






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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2407 on: March 03, 2024, 02:16:28 pm »
Fact:


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If he were around today, Ronald Reagan wouldn't think twice about supporting Ukraine because that is the CONSERVATIVE thing to do.


Exactly, and he gave several speeches on that matter throughout his administration, most notably in his support of Solidarity in Poland.

https://www.history.com/speeches/reagan-supports-polands-solidarity-movement
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2408 on: March 03, 2024, 04:21:04 pm »
Ukraine was the heart of mother Russia.  Ukraine is NOT Poland.


WRONG!!!!


Ukraine was never the heart of Mother Russia!
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2022/was-ukraine-part-of-russia/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2409 on: March 03, 2024, 04:35:45 pm »
Ukraine was the heart of mother Russia.  Ukraine is NOT Poland.

In the real world, Czarist Russia spent most of the 18th Century (1700s) biting off pieces of Ukraine, not getting the Crimean Peninsula until ~1800. Ukraine was NEVER "the heart of mother Russia".

ETA: In the real world, the movement for Ukrainian independence from Russia started in the 19th Century (1800s), and in the chaos around the Russian Revolution effort was made for Ukraine to be independent of Russia, including some fighting, but while Poland survived as an independent nation, Ukraine did not. It's very likely that the Holodomor was at least part of Stalin's revenge for that and his way of suppressing independence-minded Ukrainians.

Ukraine may have fed "Mother Russia" and may have been an industrial and natural resources center for Stalin's and his successors' 5 Year Plans, but it has never been and is not "the heart of mother Russia".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2410 on: March 03, 2024, 11:20:07 pm »
Fact:

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If he were around today, Ronald Reagan wouldn't think twice about supporting Ukraine because that is the CONSERVATIVE thing to do.


https://twitter.com/TrumpIsDone/status/1764072644771532924


Truth.

The part that confuses people today is this ongoing propaganda that Biden is helping Ukraine.  He isn't.  Biden is using Ukraine as a means of laundering cash.  But Biden does not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  Again and again, Biden has stood in the way of Ukraine getting the arms it needs, even going so far as blocking other nation from sending fighter jets.

The positions of Reagan and Biden could not be any further apart on this.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2411 on: March 04, 2024, 12:57:14 am »
Ukraine was the heart of mother Russia.  Ukraine is NOT Poland.
Mother Russia cut out it's own heart in support of Stalin during the Holodomor.
 
The gunpoint starvation of millions was so severe it drove many Ukrainians to hope for the Nazis to be liberators (they weren't, they were another evil manifestation of totalitarianism, but that took a little bit to figure out, by which time the damage was done).

No sane Ukrainian would ever expose their country or their people to such abuse again, especially not from Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2412 on: March 04, 2024, 01:08:48 am »
Truth.

The part that confuses people today is this ongoing propaganda that Biden is helping Ukraine.  He isn't.  Biden is using Ukraine as a means of laundering cash.  But Biden does not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  Again and again, Biden has stood in the way of Ukraine getting the arms it needs, even going so far as blocking other nation from sending fighter jets.

The positions of Reagan and Biden could not be any further apart on this.
Biden's delays, especially with the Polish Migs, but with any equipment which could have given the Ukrainians a tactical advantage has cost Ukrainian lives and blood. In the meantime, aging ordnance* is being trickled in at today's prices, and a lot of money is going somewhere, but never leaving to go to Ukraine.

*Munitions have a 'use by' date. Keep in mind that the bombs which cooked off on the deck of the USS Forestall were WWII vintage 1000 lb bombs. They made a shambles of the flight deck, even blew holes into the interior of the carrier, and the blasts decimated the firefighting crews. Old ordnance is not considered 'safe' at some point. Small arms ammunition can last decades, usually with nothing worse than occasional misfires or hang fires if stored correctly, but by the time you get up  to 155 mm shells, the equation changes, and the consequences are more severe. This is a great opportunity to 'rotate stock', but inflation has jacked the price of those shells in just the last couple decades, and the difference in prices makes for opportunities to slide loose money around.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2415 on: March 04, 2024, 01:31:13 am »
Rheinmetall could produce more artillery shells than the entire U.S. industry

Industry forecasts suggest that the German arms company will overtake the U.S. in artillery production this year. But capacities are also increasing there.

Roman Tyborski  |  03.03.2024 - 09:50 Uhr


Dusseldorf. When Russia invaded Ukraine in the spring of 2022, Rheinmetall did not yet play a significant role in artillery ammunition. The Düsseldorf-based armaments company was only able to produce about 70,000 grenades per year. This is roughly equivalent to the amount that Ukraine shoots within about two weeks.  .  .

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2416 on: March 04, 2024, 01:34:18 am »
With A Million Shells About To Ship, Ukraine’s Artillery Crisis Could End Soon

Thank the Czech Republic

David Axe  |  Mar 1, 2024  |  04:45pm EST


In awkward fits and starts, Ukraine’s European allies finally are piecing together the financing and industrial resources to supply the Ukrainians with the artillery ammunition they need.

Several separate and parallel initiatives—a European Union arms deal, a Czech-led bulk ammo-purchase and a portfolio of bilateral deals between Ukraine and individual allied countries—should ship at least 700,00 shells over the next couple of months.

But the Ukrainians might get, via Europe, more than a million shells this spring. And if Russia-friendly Republicans in the U.S. Congress finally end their blockade of U.S. aid to Ukraine in the next month or so, as seems likely, Ukrainian batteries could enjoy a windfall of way more than a million shells as spring turns to summer.

That’s not quite enough artillery ammunition to match Russia’s supply of ammo from its own factories and, more importantly, from North Korea. But it’s enough ammo for the Ukrainian armed forces at least to hold the line against Russia’s much larger armed forces. And maybe to begin planning for a new offensive.  .  .

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2417 on: March 04, 2024, 02:39:22 am »
Bummer. No secondaries....

This attack closed down the Kerch bridge.  The Russians are so paranoid about losing it, they closed it over an attack 50 miles away.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2418 on: March 04, 2024, 03:10:15 am »
Truth.

The part that confuses people today is this ongoing propaganda that Biden is helping Ukraine.  He isn't.  Biden is using Ukraine as a means of laundering cash.  But Biden does not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  Again and again, Biden has stood in the way of Ukraine getting the arms it needs, even going so far as blocking other nation from sending fighter jets.

The positions of Reagan and Biden could not be any further apart on this.


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2419 on: March 04, 2024, 03:18:49 am »

According to whom

Follow the money.  How many artillery shells do you think ended up in Ukraine from the tens of billions given to US AID - all earmarked as "Ukraine aid"?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2421 on: March 04, 2024, 02:32:10 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2422 on: March 04, 2024, 04:55:28 pm »
Ukraine is not part of Russia


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And never will be because Russia wants to OWN it as a slave state,just like Russia.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2423 on: March 04, 2024, 04:57:21 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2424 on: March 04, 2024, 05:38:53 pm »
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*Munitions have a 'use by' date. Keep in mind that the bombs which cooked off on the deck of the USS Forestall were WWII vintage 1000 lb bombs. They made a shambles of the flight deck, even blew holes into the interior of the carrier, and the blasts decimated the firefighting crews. Old ordnance is not considered 'safe' at some point. Small arms ammunition can last decades, usually with nothing worse than occasional misfires or hang fires if stored correctly, but by the time you get up  to 155 mm shells, the equation changes, and the consequences are more severe. This is a great opportunity to 'rotate stock', but inflation has jacked the price of those shells in just the last couple decades, and the difference in prices makes for opportunities to slide loose money around.

Side note, those 1000 lb bombs were not only old, but had been improperly stored, in the Philippines, IIRC. The particular explosive type in those bombs was no longer in use, and it was known at the time that deterioration made the explosive less stable (cooked off abnormally quickly) and more powerful than rated. The captain of the USS Forrestal knew the bombs' age and condition and asked Wash DC for permission to refuse to let the things aboard his ship. WashDC ordered him to use them. Of course, it took a known flaw in the Zuni rocket system to set in motion the chain of events that led to the Forrestal fire.
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