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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2250 on: February 05, 2024, 12:34:08 pm »
Ukraine Switching To A War Of Attrition Against Russia?

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 2/4/2024

Ukraine Switching To A War Of Attrition Against Russia?

Two videos on increasing Russian logistics difficulties in the Russo-Ukrainian War. First up: A video that suggests Ukraine has switched from a territory recapture strategy to an attrition strategy.

•  “Russia is burning whether it’s oil terminals on the Baltic and the Black Sea, factories in far-flung Siberia, or military bases in Crimea, it seems almost every day something bursts into flames in Putin’s backyard. And Ukraine is thought to be the one behind it.” It’s an open question whether structure hits in places like Siberia are Ukrainian “werewolf” teams operating behind enemy lines, or native anti-Putin/anti-war (or even anti-Russian) partisans, but the effect seems the same: Russia now has to worry about attacks to its military, transport, energy, and manufacturing infrastructure far from the frontlines in Ukraine.

•  Zelensky warned Putin that if Russia attacked Ukrainian cities with indiscriminate missile attacks again, Ukraine would hit back. When it did, “Ukraine struck back a fire at the electrical substation outside Moscow, plunged three districts of the capital into darkness. Water pipes also burst, leaving people freezing in their homes. The plague of accidents soon spread to the cities of Omsk and Novosibirsk, deep in Siberia, which were left without heating as temperatures fell below -2.” Actually, Omsk and Novosibirsk aren’t “deep” in Siberia, because the place is so vast there another five time zones east of there.

•  “Soon after attacks began on critical infrastructure, including oil refineries upon which Putin’s economy relies. To date, three refineries have been blown up or set on fire, including two which were hit by long-range Ukrainian drones. One of those the Ust-Luga oil refinery near St. Petersburg, is almost 600 miles from Ukraine.”

•  “Railways and factories have also been blown up or burned down at the same time the Ukrainians have stepped up their campaign against Crimea.” Naval successes we’ve covered here already skipped.

•  At this point the video argues that Ukraine’s strategy was to liberate Ukrainian territory, no matter the strategic value. I don’t think that was the case.

•  Following the “failure” of the summer offensive (I would say “limited gains”), “Ukraine is digging in and refocusing liberation of territory is no longer the main goal hitting Russia where it hurts most.”

•  “Ukraine knows that victory in a long war depends on two things above all else: The will of people to keep fighting, and the ability of the country to provide weapons for them to fight with, and that’s where these drone missile and sabotage attacks come in.”

•  It then argues (as many others have) that Crimea is Putin’s main weakness, and that losing it will cripple his prestige and ability to stay in power and continue the war.

Next, a video from Kanal 13 (very much a pro-Ukrainian source) suggests that the war and sanctions are cratering Russia’s military industrial complex.


https://youtu.be/2TjjQbZ2ZSE

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« Reply #2251 on: February 05, 2024, 11:12:29 pm »
US delivers refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers spot oldest model on front line

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The US Department of Defense announced in January 2023 that it would send 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The original plan was for the United States to acquire new M1A2 Abrams tanks using Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds.

However, in March, the Pentagon decided to switch to providing refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks from its own stockpile, significantly reducing the delivery time. Pentagon Press Secretary, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, reassured that the M1A1 variant to be supplied to Kiev will exhibit "very similar capabilities" to the M1A2.  .  .

Which Tanks Did Ukraine Receive?
The M1A1 Abrams is the most basic and oldest version of the Abrams used by the US Army. This model is an upgrade of the initial M1 Abrams tank. The first M1A1 tank, manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS), was rolled out in 1985. This model featured several improvements from its predecessor, including an updated suspension, a modified gearbox, superior armor, and a redesigned turret mount.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-delivers-refurbished-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-ukrainian-soldiers-spot-oldest-model-on-front-line/ar-BB1hOuz4



So now we know why it took so long for these tanks to get to Ukraine.  Biden promised M1A2s over a year ago.  The Defense Dept issued several announcements that they were rushing the order.  But now we find out that instead of fulfilling the order, the Defense Department chose to substitute older equipment (at lower cost) and then pocketing the difference.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2252 on: February 06, 2024, 12:11:48 am »
US delivers refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers spot oldest model on front line

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The US Department of Defense announced in January 2023 that it would send 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The original plan was for the United States to acquire new M1A2 Abrams tanks using Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds.

However, in March, the Pentagon decided to switch to providing refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks from its own stockpile, significantly reducing the delivery time. Pentagon Press Secretary, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, reassured that the M1A1 variant to be supplied to Kiev will exhibit "very similar capabilities" to the M1A2.  .  .

Which Tanks Did Ukraine Receive?
The M1A1 Abrams is the most basic and oldest version of the Abrams used by the US Army. This model is an upgrade of the initial M1 Abrams tank. The first M1A1 tank, manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS), was rolled out in 1985. This model featured several improvements from its predecessor, including an updated suspension, a modified gearbox, superior armor, and a redesigned turret mount.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-delivers-refurbished-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-ukrainian-soldiers-spot-oldest-model-on-front-line/ar-BB1hOuz4



So now we know why it took so long for these tanks to get to Ukraine.  Biden promised M1A2s over a year ago.  The Defense Dept issued several announcements that they were rushing the order.  But now we find out that instead of fulfilling the order, the Defense Department chose to substitute older equipment (at lower cost) and then pocketing the difference.

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Chances are the General Miss Miley  had  a hand in that. There can be no doubt that there was money to be made from that deal.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2253 on: February 06, 2024, 10:29:09 am »
US delivers refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine: Ukrainian soldiers spot oldest model on front line

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The US Department of Defense announced in January 2023 that it would send 31 M1A2 Abrams tanks to Ukraine. The original plan was for the United States to acquire new M1A2 Abrams tanks using Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative funds.

However, in March, the Pentagon decided to switch to providing refurbished M1A1 Abrams tanks from its own stockpile, significantly reducing the delivery time. Pentagon Press Secretary, Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder, reassured that the M1A1 variant to be supplied to Kiev will exhibit "very similar capabilities" to the M1A2.  .  .

Which Tanks Did Ukraine Receive?
The M1A1 Abrams is the most basic and oldest version of the Abrams used by the US Army. This model is an upgrade of the initial M1 Abrams tank. The first M1A1 tank, manufactured by General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS), was rolled out in 1985. This model featured several improvements from its predecessor, including an updated suspension, a modified gearbox, superior armor, and a redesigned turret mount.  .  .

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-delivers-refurbished-m1a1-abrams-tanks-to-ukraine-ukrainian-soldiers-spot-oldest-model-on-front-line/ar-BB1hOuz4



So now we know why it took so long for these tanks to get to Ukraine.  Biden promised M1A2s over a year ago.  The Defense Dept issued several announcements that they were rushing the order.  But now we find out that instead of fulfilling the order, the Defense Department chose to substitute older equipment (at lower cost) and then pocketing the difference.
I would bet that is only the tip of the bait-and-switch iceberg. (with appropriate cash register noises here).
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2254 on: February 06, 2024, 01:22:32 pm »
I would bet that is only the tip of the bait-and-switch iceberg. (with appropriate cash register noises here).

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« Reply #2255 on: February 08, 2024, 02:37:02 pm »
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« Reply #2256 on: February 08, 2024, 04:27:58 pm »
Russia Deploying Starlink in Ukraine—Reports

Newsweek by Isabel van Brugen 2/8/2024

krainian soldiers say Russia's military have begun using Elon Musk's Starlink satellite communications network in Ukraine, according to a journalist in the country.

"The military writes that the occupiers have Starlink with licensed accounts," Andriy Tsaplienko, a Ukrainian journalist, said on his Telegram channel, sharing a screenshot of two posts on X, formerly Twitter, that he says are from two Ukrainian soldiers.

"They began to deliver Starlink en masse, via Dubai, accounts are activated, they work in the occupied territories," one of the soldiers with the X handle @_Serhij_ wrote, referring to the four regions of Ukraine that were illegally annexed by Russia in the fall of 2022—Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2257 on: February 08, 2024, 04:32:40 pm »
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« Reply #2258 on: February 08, 2024, 04:53:21 pm »
Sounds like you don't support stopping the massive illegal immigration on the borders.


I support realistic measures that can help.. Not fanciful measures like the wall that a certain orange-tinted Mussolini wanted.  I also support stopping Russian aggression against Ukraine.
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« Reply #2259 on: February 08, 2024, 04:55:23 pm »
I want a Border Bill that enforces the Border and deports those who criminally violate it by illegal entry inot the United States ... then Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan get their money in installments contingent upon Border enforcement.

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« Reply #2260 on: February 08, 2024, 05:35:21 pm »

I support realistic measures that can help.. Not fanciful measures like the wall that a certain orange-tinted Mussolini wanted.  I also support stopping Russian aggression against Ukraine.

The US Government disagrees with you about the efficacy of walls and fences.

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« Reply #2261 on: February 08, 2024, 11:33:50 pm »
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« Reply #2262 on: February 08, 2024, 11:39:10 pm »
If border fences didn't work we'd already have them across the southern border. There's a reason we don't...

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« Reply #2263 on: February 08, 2024, 11:51:51 pm »
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« Reply #2264 on: February 09, 2024, 12:02:56 am »
Zelensky replaces Ukraine's top general in major shakeup

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-replaces-ukraine-s-top-general-in-major-shakeup/ar-BB1hZBp0

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Why it matters: The removal of Valery Zaluzhny is the most significant personnel shift Kyiv has made since Russia invaded Ukraine nearly two years ago.

Zaluzhny is a celebrated figure in Ukrainian society, who is credited with leading Ukraine through the war's early stages and achieving many of its military successes.
Driving the news: Recent reports have indicated that Zelensky was considering replacing Zaluzhny.

The general's public comments on Ukraine's counteroffensive last year contradicted Zelensky's rhetoric and further soured an already fraught relationship between the two, per the New York Times.

Zelensky confirmed the leadership shift as apart of a broader shakeup in a Telegram post on Thursday. He also announced the promotion of Col. Gen. Oleksandr Syrsky to lead Ukraine's armed forces.

"I am grateful to General Zaluzhny for two years of protection. I am grateful for every victory we achieved together," Zelensky wrote.

He added that he had asked Zaluzhny to remain part "of the team of the Ukrainian state of the future." He did not say whether Zaluzhny had accepted that offer.
Between the lines: Syrsky's appointment is likely to be unpopular among Ukraine's troops, the Washington Post reported.

Many Ukrainian soldiers see Syrsky as a Soviet-style commander who kept troops in Bakhmut for too long amid sustained Russian shelling.

Doesn't bode well for Ukraine...
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« Reply #2265 on: February 09, 2024, 12:07:07 am »
Zelensky replaces military chief, naming Syrsky top commander

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/valery-zaluzhny-commander-ukraine-removed/

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Oleksandr Syrsky, the commander of Ukraine’s ground forces since the start of Russia’s invasion, will be Ukraine’s next military chief after President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday formally replaced Gen. Valery Zaluzhny in a risky leadership shake-up that is likely to be unpopular with troops worn down by nearly two years of war.

Zelensky told Zaluzhny 10 days ago that he was being dismissed, but the president’s office initially denied that the commander in chief had been fired. Then, Zelensky delayed in issuing a formal order or announcing a successor and, even after elevating Syrsky on Thursday, the president did not give an explanation, saying only that change was needed.

But it’s unclear what change Syrsky will — or can — usher in. Zelensky considered Zaluzhny’s plans for this year too ambitious considering Ukraine’s limited resources, according to two people familiar with the president’s thinking. For the past two years, however, Syrsky has essentially functioned as the military’s second-in-command. And while Ukraine is expected to focus more on defense this year rather than attempt another sweeping counteroffensive, it is still confronting a better-armed and larger Russian force.

As ground forces commander, Syrsky, 58, was credited with leading the defense of Kyiv in the first month of the war and then orchestrating a successful counteroffensive in the northeastern Kharkiv region in fall 2022.

In a statement, Zelensky praised his new commander and cited those successes.

“He has successful defensive experience, particularly in the Kyiv defense operation,” the president said. “He also has successful offensive experience, particularly in the Kharkiv liberation operation. … 2024 can become successful for Ukraine only through effective changes in the basis of our defense, which is the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

The decision to name Syrsky as commander in chief, however, is expected to cause backlash among troops in the field. Among rank-and-file soldiers, Syrsky is especially disliked, considered by many to be a Soviet-style commander who kept forces under fire far too long in the eastern city of Bakhmut, which eventually fell to Russian control. Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers were killed and many more were wounded defending the city, which had limited strategic value.

Some Ukrainian soldiers refer to Syrsky as a “butcher.”

“I only know what I’ve heard from my subordinates,” said a high-ranking military official who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to do so publicly. “One hundred percent of them don’t respect him because they don’t think he counts soldiers’ lives.”

“In comparison with Zaluzhny, he gets much lower support,” the person added.

EXCERPT
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« Reply #2266 on: February 09, 2024, 11:12:23 am »
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« Reply #2267 on: February 09, 2024, 01:24:39 pm »
Zelensky replaces military chief, naming Syrsky top commander

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/08/valery-zaluzhny-commander-ukraine-removed/

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Ukraine is expected to focus more on defense this year rather than attempt another sweeping counteroffensive, it is still confronting a better-armed and larger Russian force.

@Timber Rattler

How is this possible unless the neo-Soviets are "scraping the bottom of every  barrel" they have?

There can be NO doubt that the neo-Soviets have more "man-power" to be butchered than the Ukrainians,but they had better be vewwy,vewwy,careful to not allow themselves to become so weak in men and materials that their Chi-Com pals decide to just walk into Eastern Russia and take over control of all the natural wealth  there.

AFAIK,Russia herself doesn't really NEED all that oil and gold,but China damn sure does,and the Russians and the Chinese have never been anything more than "Allies of  convenience".

Or am I the only one that thinks the Chinese can come roaring in to Russia to seize Eastern Russia,and the neo-Soviets will be too busy trying to seize Ukraine again that they can't be bothered  to protect their eastern borders?

WTH are the neo-Soviets/Putin thinking?
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« Reply #2268 on: February 09, 2024, 02:06:55 pm »
My take on this is that the break between Zelensky and Zaluzhny happened for the following reasons:

1) The Ukrainians expended way too much combat power in defending Bakhmut this time last year, just like the French at Verdun in 1916.

2) The Ukrainians probably shouldn't have stopped fighting offesnively last winter after liberating Kherson---they relinquished the initiative to the Russians, who used the breathing space to dig in and turn southern Ukraine into a vast mine field and artillery kill zone.  That was the point of Wagner's human wave assaults at Bakhmut to keep everybody's eyes looking there, instead of in the south.

3) Zaluzhny refused to take NATO's advice and developed plans for the "counter-offensive" that were too ambitious and too complicated for the Ukrainian Army, wanting to attack on three fronts simultaneously instead of a single, concentrated hammerblow in the south, 1940 Wehrmacht Panzer style.   

4) NATO was probably too optimistic in its assessment that it could quickly train the Ukrainians in NATO tactics, using the Western weapon systems that were being transferred to their military, which turned out to be a mixed bag at best, and not nearly enough.

5) Once the counteroffensive started and the Ukrainians ran head first into the southern Russian minefields, Zaluzhny gave up on NATO after only four days and reverted back to the Soviet-style tactics that he knew well, resulting in more attrition that Ukraine could not afford to sustain.

6) Zaluzhny talked too much to the press and revealed too much, specifically that the war had become a stalemate and was likely frozen.

7) Out of picque, Zaluzhny stopped taking calls from the U.S. Europe Command and Defense Department.

8) Zaluzhny demanded more troops to rebuild the Ukrainian army but politically and realistically, Zelensky (under pressure from the West and domestically), could not give them to him.

9)  All of this ends up in a Truman-MacArthur or Lincoln-McClellan type of command crisis.

10) Zelensky decides to fire Zaluzhny but has trouble finding anybody who will take opver his job at the top, hence the delayed announcement.

11) Zaluzhny's successor Syrsky is an old school Soviet tactician and the Ukrainian troops hate him.

Therefore, I don't see how Ukraine "wins" after this command debacle, which sucks.
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« Reply #2270 on: February 10, 2024, 03:35:02 am »
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« Reply #2271 on: February 10, 2024, 03:44:13 am »
And most of those poor suckers really don't want to be there. Their country is killing them for their leader's ego.

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« Reply #2272 on: February 10, 2024, 03:51:12 am »
Left - Russian T-55 knocked out in Kherson Oblast.
Right - Russian T-55 with same markings in Budapest 1956.

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« Reply #2273 on: February 10, 2024, 12:34:25 pm »
Left - Russian T-55 knocked out in Kherson Oblast.
Right - Russian T-55 with same markings in Budapest 1956.



Just wow!  It's the same tank!
aka "nasty degenerate SOB," "worst of the worst at Free Republic," "Garbage Troll," "Neocon Warmonger," "Filthy Piece of Trash," "damn $#%$#@!," "Silly f'er," "POS," "war pig," "neocon scumbag," "insignificant little ankle nipper," "@ss-clown," "neocuck," "termite," "Uniparty Deep stater," "Never Trump sack of dog feces," "avid Bidenista," "filthy Ukrainian," "war whore," "fricking chump," psychopathic POS, and depraved SOB.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #2274 on: February 10, 2024, 01:59:51 pm »
Just wow!  It's the same tank!
Yeah, that sucker is older than I am (but not by much).
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis