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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1925 on: October 31, 2023, 11:38:19 pm »
I find it curious Time would publish something negative about VZ, when the American media are so under the control of the Democrat party and pretty much write whatever the DNC orders. Does this mean the Democrats are turning on Zelenskyy?

Here is the article in full:  https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-interview/

Interesting read.  It talks a lot about ongoing corruption in Ukraine and Zelenskiy's struggles to stop it while fighting a war.

As for the current US regime, they have made it obvious since the beginning that they do not want Ukraine to win this war any time soon.  They want the war to drag out as long as possible, (wrongly) thinking that this is the best way to bring about Putin's removal from office.  So they send cash instead of weapons and join in on the corruption.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1927 on: November 02, 2023, 04:07:15 pm »
Ukraine’s commander-in-chief on the breakthrough he needs to beat Russia

https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/11/01/ukraines-commander-in-chief-on-the-breakthrough-he-needs-to-beat-russia

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Five months into its counter-offensive, Ukraine has managed to advance by just 17 kilometres. Russia fought for ten months around Bakhmut in the east “to take a town six by six kilometres”. Sharing his first comprehensive assessment of the campaign with The Economist in an interview this week, Ukraine’s commander-in-chief, General Valery Zaluzhny, says the battlefield reminds him of the great conflict of a century ago. “Just like in the first world war we have reached the level of technology that puts us into a stalemate,” he says. The general concludes that it would take a massive technological leap to break the deadlock. “There will most likely be no deep and beautiful breakthrough.”

The course of the counter-offensive has undermined Western hopes that Ukraine could use it to demonstrate that the war is unwinnable, forcing Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, to negotiate. It has also undercut General Zaluzhny’s assumption that he could stop Russia by bleeding its troops. “That was my mistake. Russia has lost at least 150,000 dead. In any other country such casualties would have stopped the war.” But not in Russia, where life is cheap and where Mr Putin’s reference points are the first and second world wars, in which Russia lost tens of millions.

An army of Ukraine’s standard ought to have been able to move at a speed of 30km a day as it breached Russian lines. “If you look at nato’s text books and at the maths which we did, four months should have been enough time for us to have reached Crimea, to have fought in Crimea, to return from Crimea and to have gone back in and out again,” General Zaluzhny says sardonically. Instead he watched his troops get stuck in minefields on the approaches to Bakhmut in the east, his Western-supplied equipment getting pummelled by Russian artillery and drones. The same story unfolded on the offensive’s main thrust in the south, where inexperienced brigades immediately ran into trouble.

“First I thought there was something wrong with our commanders, so I changed some of them. Then I thought maybe our soldiers are not fit for purpose, so I moved soldiers in some brigades,” says General Zaluzhny. When those changes failed to make a difference, the general told his staff to dig out a book he once saw as a student. Its title was “Breaching Fortified Defence Lines”. It was published in 1941 by a Soviet major-general, P.S. Smirnov, who analysed the battles of the first world war. “And before I got even halfway through it, I realised that is exactly where we are because just like then, the level of our technological development today has put both us and our enemies in a stupor.”

That thesis, he says, was borne out as he went to the front line in Avdiivka, also in the east, where Russia has recently advanced by a few hundred metres over several weeks by throwing in two of its armies. “On our monitor screens the day I was there we saw 140 Russian machines ablaze—destroyed within four hours of coming within firing range of our artillery.” Those fleeing were chased by “first-person-view” drones, remote-controlled and carrying explosive charges that their operators simply crash into the enemy. The same picture unfolds when Ukrainian troops try to advance. General Zaluzhny describes a battlefield in which modern sensors can identify any concentration of forces, and modern precision weapons can destroy it. “The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy is doing and they see everything we are doing. In order for us to break this deadlock we need something new, like the gunpowder which the Chinese invented and which we are still using to kill each other,” he says.

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This is a fairly insightful article and analysis, with some candid talk by Zaluzhny.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #1929 on: November 05, 2023, 04:31:06 am »
Russian assault on Avdiivka

from r/CombatFootage

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/17ms6yh/ukrainian_2nd_mechanised_battalion_of_the/

All that misery for what?

You can bet a good number of those people don't want to be there. May Putin rot in hell.

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« Reply #1930 on: November 05, 2023, 07:03:29 am »
All that misery for what?



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All of it so that Pooty-Poot can "prove" that he is a "Macho-Macho  Man".

Without HIM ever putting HIS ass on the line,of course.
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« Reply #1931 on: November 05, 2023, 10:42:16 am »

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« Reply #1933 on: November 05, 2023, 10:51:02 pm »
Just...wow.

(WARNING: GRAPHIC/NSFW)

Those Russians had a really bad day.  Kudos to the discipline of the Ukrainians holding back their fire until the AFV was right on top of them.
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« Reply #1934 on: November 05, 2023, 10:59:36 pm »
Those Russians had a really bad day.  Kudos to the discipline of the Ukrainians holding back their fire until the AFV was right on top of them.

I can certainly see why there is a NSFW label on that video.
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« Reply #1935 on: November 06, 2023, 01:40:12 am »
Russian vehicles are known death traps.

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« Reply #1936 on: November 06, 2023, 02:37:26 am »
Russian vehicles are known death traps.

To be fair, so are most Ukrainian because they're the same.  The western equipment is much more crew-conscious.

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« Reply #1937 on: November 07, 2023, 11:40:11 am »
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« Reply #1938 on: November 12, 2023, 01:13:18 am »
Ukraine sinks two Russian landing boats in Crimea, military says\

Reuters  |  November 10, 20237:51 PM EST


KYIV - Ukrainian naval drones sank two small Russian landing boats in Crimea, Ukraine's military intelligence agency said on Friday, while troops braced for further Russian assaults in the east, particularly the shattered town of Avdiivka.

Reuters could not independently verify the report of the attack on Vuzka Bay in the west of Crimea, which one Ukrainian military analyst said was a significant strike and loss for Russia.

There was no immediate comment by Russia, which seized and annexed the Crimea peninsula from Ukraine in 2014 and whose Black Sea Fleet is headquartered in the Crimean city of Sevastopol.

An initial report from Ukraine's military intelligence said the two small, amphibious Russian ships had been hit overnight.

A Friday evening update said the attack had been carried out by naval drones. It identified one landing craft as an Akula class vessel, the other a Serna class.  .  .

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-damages-two-small-russian-landing-boats-crimea-kyiv-says-2023-11-10/
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« Reply #1940 on: November 12, 2023, 07:21:54 pm »
These days the word "Armor" is synonymous with the words "Missile Magnet".

Tanks as now as obsolete as bicycles on a battlefield.
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« Reply #1941 on: November 12, 2023, 08:06:33 pm »
These days the word "Armor" is synonymous with the words "Missile Magnet".

Tanks as now as obsolete as bicycles on a battlefield.

Armor is the last place I'd want to be on the modern battlefield.

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« Reply #1942 on: November 13, 2023, 02:58:23 pm »
Armor is the last place I'd want to be on the modern battlefield.

Even in Iraq they were basically target I think too. I mean, armored warfare needs to adjust to the 21st century. Anti-drone, anti-missile tech needs to adjust, then maybe armor will be relevant. The Russian military just put seemingly zero resources into anticipating these types of threats.

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« Reply #1943 on: November 13, 2023, 03:09:13 pm »
It's not the armor per se, it's the tactics.  Sure, armor has its vulnerabilities.  But the idiotic way The Russians are using it only exacerbates those vulnerabilities.
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« Reply #1944 on: November 13, 2023, 03:27:32 pm »
It's not the armor per se, it's the tactics.  Sure, armor has its vulnerabilities.  But the idiotic way The Russians are using it only exacerbates those vulnerabilities.

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Nope. Armor HAS to appear on a battlefield to be useful,and  there is NO getting around the FACT that they are big-ass targets that put out a LOT of heat and noise,and there is no way in hell to disguise them as anything other than what they are.

They were able to maneuver out of artillery and air strikes to a certain degree for decades,but those days are OVER. Everybody that has an army now has smart missiles that cost pennies on the dollar of what armor costs,not to mention no lives risked,that are controlled by technicians controlling them via cameras from safe bunkers that are not even in the same country as the battle that is going on.

Armor is now obsolete for everyone but third world nations trying to protect themselves from their third world neighbors,but once the armor they have no starts to wear out,they will replace it with missiles too,because missiles are a hell of a lot cheaper than a tank,and there is no crew to spend mega-bucks on to train them on how to operate for the 15 minutes of actual combat they will live through.

Armor in first world nations is now  nothing  more than a rolling crematorium for the crew members.

I strongly suspect that within  the next  20 years there will be no more fighter or bomber pilots flying inside the actual aircraft,either. They too,will be piloted by "pilots" hundreds of miles away in concrete bunkers via remote controls.

The USAF IS going to fight this one tooth  and nail with the Pentagram,but the days of the USAF as anything more than an air taxi service IS coming to an  end thanks to robotics. I SUSPECT there WILL be pilots riding as passengers/pilots  in waiting in attack aircraft for a while in case the electronics are jammed by the enemy  or go bad for some reason,but that's about it.

The US Navy will probably hold out the longest because they can cruise around in the oceans forever with a deck full of armed fighter/bomber aircraft on call for immediate use in situations nobody has time to write code to cover,but that's about it.
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« Reply #1945 on: November 13, 2023, 03:30:28 pm »
Even in Iraq they were basically target I think too. I mean, armored warfare needs to adjust to the 21st century. Anti-drone, anti-missile tech needs to adjust, then maybe armor will be relevant. The Russian military just put seemingly zero resources into anticipating these types of threats.

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The Soviets don't seem to  give  a damn  how many Russians they lose,as long as none of them are politicians in leadership  positions. Hell,they might even be happy to lose them because it will be fewer mouths to feed and fewer potential rebels to keep control over.

Make no mistake about it,ALL Communist nations are nothing less than police states created to serve their Masters,not their people.
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« Reply #1946 on: November 13, 2023, 03:39:29 pm »
In totalitarian regimes, people are expendable, disposable property of the State.

If Mad Vlad needs more cannon fodder, he'll conscript more bodies, most likely from prisons first.
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« Reply #1947 on: November 18, 2023, 08:16:38 pm »
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« Reply #1948 on: November 18, 2023, 09:41:54 pm »
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Yet if Andrew Pollack found himself in Zelenskyy's shoes he'd run off and hide in another country. It's easy to run your mouth when you don't bare the responsibility of trying to guide your country through a Russian invasion and with a bounty on your head. Ukraine has done something no one thought they could. Pollack can go F'off.

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« Reply #1949 on: November 18, 2023, 09:52:07 pm »
Yet if Andrew Pollack found himself in Zelenskyy's shoes he'd run off and hide in another country. It's easy to run your mouth when you don't bare the responsibility of trying to guide your country through a Russian invasion and with a bounty on your head. Ukraine has done something no one thought they could. Pollack can go F'off.

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