Ukraine 4

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete  so your answer is to keep printing money to support  a war that has been on going for decades??

There IS absolutely concern that we are drawing down our own munitions that could easily pose problems should we need them for ourselves .... China is just waiting in the wings .....

Again @sneakypete who is going to help Ukraine and us if we are attacked and our stockpiles are depleted and our economy continues to falter???

And no, I haven't fought in a war, (which you knew) so that makes me a surrender monkey?  Gottcha.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/17/politics/us-weapons-factories-ukraine-ammunition/index.html\

https://veteranlife.com/military-news/weapons-to-ukraine/

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/05/17/ukraine-aid-and-us-stockpiles-are-running-out-whats-next/

https://www.csis.org/analysis/united-states-running-out-weapons-send-ukraine

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-push-to-restock-howitzer-shells-rockets-sent-to-ukraine-bogs-down-f604511a

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/us/politics/military-weapons-ukraine-war.html

@libertybele



MOST of the munitions going there,if not ALL of them,are munitions from our stockpiles that is old and due to  be destroyed soon,anyhow.

IF we had a military that was actually able to fight these days,there would be no shortage of fresh munitions.

I know you have been told this before,and you  continue to ignore it.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

Jethro Tull wrote a song about you.

"Thick as a Brick".

MOST of the munitions going there,if not ALL of them,are munitions from our stockpiles that is old and due to  be destroyed soon,anyhow.

IF we had a military that was actually able to fight these days,there would be no shortage of fresh munitions.

I know you have been told this before,and you  continue to ignore it.

That is what you say but the links that I provided say otherwise.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218

[kevindavis007]

That is what you say but the links that I provided say otherwise.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218

If Ukraine kills an Orc now it will be worth long term

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/emperoreaganite/status/1678940885185187842

[sneakypete]

That is what you say but the links that I provided say otherwise.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218

@libertybele

Uhhh,your links are from the BBC,not the US Military.

[ScottinVA]

@ScottinVA

I THINK  you meant to write "Communism",NOT  "Russia". Russia existed a long time before the Communists took over,and will continue to exist once they are out of power and hiding in exile.

Nope.  Whether ruled by tsars, communists or the modern-day Putinist fascism, Russia has been aggressively expansionist, regardless of what type of government rules it.  The only period in which that was not the case was the Yeltsin era.  For all his faults, Boris Yeltsin made an attempt to avoid old Russian expansionist habits.  After Putin emerged, it began anew.  The world would be better off with a reduced, dismembered and weakened Russia that doesn't threaten its neighbors.

[ScottinVA]

https://twitter.com/emperoreaganite/status/1678940885185187842

I completely agree.  Anything to level the playing field against the orcs who, by the way, have been using cluster munitions since Day 1 of the invasion.

[kevindavis007]

Nope.  Whether ruled by tsars, communists or the modern-day Putinist fascism, Russia has been aggressively expansionist, regardless of what type of government rules it.  The only period in which that was not the case was the Yeltsin era.  For all his faults, Boris Yeltsin made an attempt to avoid old Russian expansionist habits.  After Putin emerged, it began anew.  The world would be better off with a reduced, dismembered and weakened Russia that doesn't threaten its neighbors.

For us, this is a long-term investment.  Here is why...


Had we done nothing we could be facing a stronger Russia plus a strong Russia-China alliance. Therefore we have to spend crazy on our military to minimize a strong Russia-China alliance.


What we are doing now without any American troops is weakening Russia to the point that they have to use outdated tanks! After the war, it is going to take years to rebuild the Russian military in what is left of Russia.  Also after the war, the next big threat we will have to face will be China.


I would like to add one more thing. Had we done nothing, China would have invaded Taiwan. They were testing our response after the Afagnistan withdrawal fiasco and I think they have guessed wrong.

[Kamaji]

For us, this is a long-term investment.  Here is why...


Had we done nothing we could be facing a stronger Russia plus a strong Russia-China alliance. Therefore we have to spend crazy on our military to minimize a strong Russia-China alliance.


What we are doing now without any American troops is weakening Russia to the point that they have to use outdated tanks! After the war, it is going to take years to rebuild the Russian military in what is left of Russia.  Also after the war, the next big threat we will have to face will be China.


I would like to add one more thing. Had we done nothing, China would have invaded Taiwan. They were testing our response after the Afagnistan withdrawal fiasco and I think they have guessed wrong.

[ScottinVA]

For us, this is a long-term investment.  Here is why...


Had we done nothing we could be facing a stronger Russia plus a strong Russia-China alliance. Therefore we have to spend crazy on our military to minimize a strong Russia-China alliance.


What we are doing now without any American troops is weakening Russia to the point that they have to use outdated tanks! After the war, it is going to take years to rebuild the Russian military in what is left of Russia.  Also after the war, the next big threat we will have to face will be China.


I would like to add one more thing. Had we done nothing, China would have invaded Taiwan. They were testing our response after the Afagnistan withdrawal fiasco and I think they have guessed wrong.

I could not agree more.  The nightmare scenario is an aggressive, strong Russia-China alliance.  A severely weakened Russia will be to the benefit of all.

[PeteS in CA]

No personal attacks, please.

[Kamaji]

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin likely dead, Putin meeting probably faked, retired general says

By Snejana Farberov
July 12, 2023

Mutinous Wagner mercenary group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin is likely either dead or jailed, and his much-publicized meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin after his botched rebellion was probably faked, according to a former senior US military leader.

Retired Gen. Robert Abrams, an ABC News contributor who previously served as the commander of US Forces Korea, shared his thoughts on Prigozhin’s uncertain fate in the aftermath of the Wagner Group’s short-lived armed insurrection last month.

“My personal assessment is that I doubt we’ll see Prigozhin ever again publicly,” Abrams told ABC News. “I think he’ll either be put in hiding, or sent to prison, or dealt with some other way, but I doubt we’ll ever see him again.”

Asked if he thought the billionaire businessman was alive after posing the most significant challenge to Putin’s regime since he came to power in 1999, Abrams said: “I personally don’t think he is, and if he is, he’s in a prison somewhere.”

The retired four-star general also raised doubts about a meeting that, according to Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov, Putin held with Prigozhin and all his senior Wagner commanders on June 29, five days after the aborted mutiny.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/12/us-general-doubts-yevgeny-prizgozhin-is-alive/

[Kamaji]

Zelensky says World War III fear ‘logical’ as NATO holds off on admitting Ukraine

By Steven Nelson
July 12, 2023

VILNIUS, Lithuania — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Wednesday that it was “logical” that some NATO leaders fear sparking World War III by admitting his country while it’s at war with Russia — striking a conciliatory tone one day after he blasted the alliance for not offering Ukraine membership.

Zelensky, however, did argue at a press conference with NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that an invitation to join still was appropriate immediately because of the “signals” it would send.

“We understand that someone is afraid of talking about our membership now because nobody is willing to have a world war, which is logical and understandable,” Zelensky said through a translator hours before a scheduled sit-down with President Biden at NATO’s annual conference.

“I want everyone to understand that we are a civilized and adequate people. Ukraine is fighting and it truly understands that Ukraine cannot be a member nation of NATO as long as the war continues on our territory.”

But the Ukrainian leader added that “signals are important” and likened a potential NATO membership offer to his country’s European Union candidacy status, which the EU extended shortly after Russia’s invasion in February of last year.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/12/zelensky-says-world-war-iii-fear-logical-as-nato-holds-off-on-admitting-ukraine/

[mystery-ak]

'We are going to be there as long as it takes': Joe Biden vows to stand by Ukraine after G7 offers new security deal for Kyiv just one day after Volodymyr Zelensky's furious outburst over 'absurd' NATO delay

'We are going to be there as long as it takes': Joe Biden vows to stand by Ukraine after G7 offers new security deal for Kyiv just one day after Volodymyr Zelensky's furious outburst over 'absurd' NATO delay

    Biden issued a rallying cry to back Kyiv's armed forces alongside fellow G7 leaders
    The world's leading economies vowed to provide 'long-term' security aid to the war-torn nation
    The announcement came a day after Ukraine's leader unleashed a social media tirade slamming the move not to offer his country a pathway to join NATO

By James Franey, Senior U.S. Political Reporter For Dailymail.Com

Published: 09:49 EDT, 12 July 2023 | Updated: 11:00 EDT, 12 July 2023

President Joe Biden vowed to stand by Ukraine 'as long as it takes' as he and fellow G7 leaders announced a new security deal for Kyiv.

It came just one day after Volodymyr Zelensky launched a social media tirade against his Western allies over what he called an 'absurd' delay to setting out a pathway to his country's full membership of the NATO military alliance.

'We are going to be there as long as it takes,' Biden said in a speech flanked by fellow leaders from the G7, a club of the world's richest economies that includes Britain and France.

'We are going to help Ukraine build a strong and capable defense across land, air and sea,' he added, insisting the Ukrainian military would be 'a force of stability in the region.'

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12291441/We-going-long-takes-Joe-Biden-vows-stand-Ukraine.html

[Kamaji]

Wagner chief Prigozhin 'had been treated for stomach cancer and felt he had nothing to lose when he decided to launch mutiny'

The Wagner Group leader turned his forces against the Russian Army on June 23

By JAMES REYNOLDS
12 July 2023

Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin's battle with cancer may have played a role in his decision to launch an apparent mutiny against Moscow, a report has claimed.

Proekt, a Russian outlet now banned by Russia, originally cited claims from Prigozhin's former employees saying he had undergone treatment for cancer.

They said his stomach cancer was now in remission after a 'long time' undergoing 'serious therapy'.

One former worker said that the march towards Moscow at the end of last month could show the mindset of a man with little to lose.

Asked what might have prompted the armed rebellion, one anonymous source said: 'This is a man with a cut-out stomach and intestines!'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12291651/Prigozhins-Moscow-mutiny-driven-battle-cancer-former-employees-say.html

[Kamaji]

Ukraine F-16 fighter pilot training to start soon in Romania

Ukraine’s defence minister says he hopes training lasts no longer than 6 months so fighter planes can be in combat against Russia soon.

12 Jul 2023

The training of Ukrainian pilots on United States-made F-16 fighter jets is to begin in Romania in August, officials have said on the sidelines of the NATO summit in Lithuania.

Ukrainian Defence Minister Oleksii Reznikov announced the Romania training programme on Tuesday alongside Dutch Defence Minister Kajsa Ollongren and Denmark’s acting Defence Minister Troels Lund Poulsen.

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Source:  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/12/ukraine-f-16-fighter-pilot-training-to-start-soon-in-romania

[Maj. Bill Martin]

For us, this is a long-term investment.  Here is why...


Had we done nothing we could be facing a stronger Russia plus a strong Russia-China alliance. Therefore we have to spend crazy on our military to minimize a strong Russia-China alliance.


What we are doing now without any American troops is weakening Russia to the point that they have to use outdated tanks! After the war, it is going to take years to rebuild the Russian military in what is left of Russia.  Also after the war, the next big threat we will have to face will be China.


I would like to add one more thing. Had we done nothing, China would have invaded Taiwan. They were testing our response after the Afagnistan withdrawal fiasco and I think they have guessed wrong.

 

[sneakypete]

Nope.  Whether ruled by tsars, communists or the modern-day Putinist fascism, Russia has been aggressively expansionist, regardless of what type of government rules it.  The only period in which that was not the case was the Yeltsin era.  For all his faults, Boris Yeltsin made an attempt to avoid old Russian expansionist habits.  After Putin emerged, it began anew.  The world would be better off with a reduced, dismembered and weakened Russia that doesn't threaten its neighbors.

@ScottinVA

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Russia has pretty much always been an isolationist state. Even the Czars didn't want any outside influences other than foreign royalty that was related to them.

Truth to tell,Russia has pretty much been a police state for her entire existence.

[Kamaji]

@ScottinVA

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Russia has pretty much always been an isolationist state. Even the Czars didn't want any outside influences other than foreign royalty that was related to them.

Truth to tell,Russia has pretty much been a police state for her entire existence.

Uhmm, I'm pretty sure you didn't read what was in fact written.

[sneakypete]

For us, this is a long-term investment.  Here is why...


Had we done nothing we could be facing a stronger Russia plus a strong Russia-China alliance. Therefore we have to spend crazy on our military to minimize a strong Russia-China alliance.


What we are doing now without any American troops is weakening Russia to the point that they have to use outdated tanks! After the war, it is going to take years to rebuild the Russian military in what is left of Russia.  Also after the war, the next big threat we will have to face will be China.


I would like to add one more thing. Had we done nothing, China would have invaded Taiwan. They were testing our response after the Afagnistan withdrawal fiasco and I think they have guessed wrong.

@kevindavis007

This all seems so blindingly obvious that if Ray Charles were still alive,he would have to put on his darkest shades to look at it.

[Kamaji]

Top Russian general ‘liquidated’ by Storm Shadow missile in Ukraine: report

By Snejana Farberov
July 12, 2023

A high-ranking Russian general has been killed in a Storm Shadow missile strike in an occupied Ukrainian city, according to reports from both countries.

Lieutenant General Oleg Tsokov died Monday when a barrage of cruise missiles obliterated the Dune Hotel in Berdiansk in the southern Zaporizhzhia region, where Russian military commanders had been quartered.

“It is reported that today in the Berdiansk area, the Russian Lieutenant General Oleg Yuriyovych Tsokov was liquidated,” Petro Andriushchenko, adviser to the Ukrainian mayor of Mariupol, gleefully wrote in his Telegram channel.

Andriushchenko noted that in September 2022, Tsokov, then commander of Russia’s 144th Motorized Rifle Division, had been gravely wounded in action but survived.

“Now they say that his mobilization into the grave has been completed,” the mayor’s advisor darkly joked.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/12/top-russian-general-oleg-tsokov-liquidated-by-storm-shadow-missile-in-ukraine-report/

[sneakypete]

'We are going to be there as long as it takes': Joe Biden vows to stand by Ukraine after G7 offers new security deal for Kyiv just one day after Volodymyr Zelensky's furious outburst over 'absurd' NATO delay

'We are going to be there as long as it takes': Joe Biden vows to stand by Ukraine after G7 offers new security deal for Kyiv just one day after Volodymyr Zelensky's furious outburst over 'absurd' NATO delay

    Biden issued a rallying cry to back Kyiv's armed forces alongside fellow G7 leaders
    The world's leading economies vowed to provide 'long-term' security aid to the war-torn nation
    The announcement came a day after Ukraine's leader unleashed a social media tirade slamming the move not to offer his country a pathway to join NATO

By James Franey, Senior U.S. Political Reporter For Dailymail.Com

 

@mystery-ak

I CAN'T be the only one wondering how much had to be added to one of his offshore banking accounts for THAT to have happened.

[mystery-ak]

https://rumble.com/embed/v2x2bq0/?pub=4

[Kamaji]

"Resting" - nudge, nudge, wink, wink.


Russia’s ‘General Armageddon,’ not seen since Wagner mutiny, is ‘resting,’ lawmaker says

By Snejana Farberov
July 12, 2023

General Sergei Surovikin, the deputy commander of Russia’s military operations in Ukraine who has not been seen in public since last month’s failed uprising by the Wagner Group, is “resting,” according to a senior lawmaker.

Andrei Kartapolov, head of the State Duma Defense Committee, was heard telling a reporter in a video posted on social media Wednesday: “Surovikin is currently resting. [He is] not available for now.”

Kartapolov’s flippant response to a question about Surovikin’s status echoed previous comments reported by various Telegram news channels, saying that the general was resting “in one of the Caucasus resorts.”

Meanwhile, the independent Russian Telegram news channel Verstka reported Wednesday, citing anonymous sources, that Surovikin has been detained and questioned by the counterintelligence arm of the FSB, Russia’s security service, on suspicion of taking part in the organization of the Wagner Group’s insurrection. But so far, he has not been charged with any crime.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/12/general-sergei-surovikin-is-resting-russian-lawmaker-says/

[DB]

Very peacefully no doubt.