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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #800 on: July 02, 2023, 03:55:43 pm »
Perhaps the lesson to be learned is:  never accuse the Russians of being too smart.  Bloody-minded and aggressive?  Yes.  Smart?  No.


I wonder how effective are their Nukes.
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« Reply #801 on: July 02, 2023, 04:30:59 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #802 on: July 02, 2023, 04:32:42 pm »

I wonder how effective are their Nukes.

There are probably a lot of duds in their arsenal, but I would still rather not have them try lobbing them at other people just to find out.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #803 on: July 02, 2023, 06:51:30 pm »
Primorsko-Akhtarsk is on the southeast coast of the Sea of Azov. It could be a base from which CAS and supplies could be sent to orcish defenses and forces defending Melitopol, Berdyansk, Mariupol, Taganrog, and Donetsk.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #804 on: July 02, 2023, 06:57:56 pm »
Russia 'fears Wagner fighters are plotting attack on £3billion Crimean Bridge' with tourists flocking to Black Sea peninsula queuing for up to seven hours as guards search every car for explosives

Tourists flocking to popular Black Sea peninsula faced strict security checks
Russia fears a deadly new bomb attack from Wagner following a blast in October

By ARTHUR PARASHAR and WILL STEWART
2 July 2023

Russia has fears that Wagner fighters are plotting an attack on the £3billion Crimean Bridge, it has been claimed - as tourists flocking to the Black Sea peninsula faced queues of up to seven hours while guards search every car for explosives.

Intense security checks were imposed over the weekend as passengers attempted to make their way across the ten-mile-long bridge linking annexed Crimea to the Russian mainland.

Moscow is understood to be on high alert amid fears that disgruntled Wagner rebels could plot an attack after their mercenary army was axed by Vladimir Putin in the wake of their mutiny.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12256645/Russia-fears-Wagner-fighters-plotting-attack-3billion-Crimean-Bridge.html

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #805 on: July 02, 2023, 07:17:33 pm »
Perhaps the lesson to be learned is:  never accuse the Russians of being too smart.  Bloody-minded and aggressive?  Yes.  Smart?  No.

@Kamaji

I think it is more correct to write "Never accuse the SOVIETS of being too smart." The Russians I have met and known were some pretty sharp people,but they understand the system they live under and that they MUST keep their political opinions to themselves while pretending to follow Soviet doctrine. After all,it's not like Free Speech is allowed there.

If you want to get promoted instead of demoted/sent to a labor camp,you "officially" follow the "Official train of thought".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #806 on: July 02, 2023, 07:18:54 pm »
Wagnerites and anti-Putin groups and Ukrainians, oh my!

How'd you like to be a Russian Army supply convoy sitting for several hours in that queue, visible from miles away to Ukrainian observers and drones?
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« Reply #807 on: July 02, 2023, 07:20:02 pm »
Holy CRAP! That is one hell of an explosive crater!

Looks like one of the Ukrainian bombs or rockets scored a bullseye on a munitions storage area.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #808 on: July 02, 2023, 07:22:47 pm »
@Kamaji

I think it is more correct to write "Never accuse the SOVIETS of being too smart." The Russians I have met and known were some pretty sharp people,but they understand the system they live under and that they MUST keep their political opinions to themselves while pretending to follow Soviet doctrine. After all,it's not like Free Speech is allowed there.

If you want to get promoted instead of demoted/sent to a labor camp,you "officially" follow the "Official train of thought".

Sounds a lot like my County Republican Party.  Its more Soviet than American Republic.  Do what the Chairman says or STFU.  This is why Mrs. Liberty and I declined to be reelected to leadership.  I can't sit in the chair next to a Chairman like that.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #809 on: July 02, 2023, 07:32:50 pm »
Dozens of Ukrainian soldiers were killed in missile strikes as they crossed the Dnipro River amid a deadly counteroffensive, the Russian-appointed governor of the Kherson region in southern Ukraine said.

An Iskander missile, which is a short-range missile that travels at hypersonic speeds, killed at least 30 Ukrainian fighters and injured a dozen other, Vladimir Saldo said Friday on Telegram.

Vladimir Saldo is a lying collaborating POS.  Ukrainian troops have taken up positions in the village on the south shore of the Antonovsky Bridge.  The only way for Russian troops to assault this position is on the main road/bridge across the marsh.  The Russians have taken heavy losses attempting this.  The village curves around an open area exposing the road to an arc of hostile fire, making it virtually impossible to successfully assault it from this one road.  In frustration, the Russians fired an Iskander missile at the area. The missile struck right by the highway in the empty area 'killing field' and did not land near any Ukrainian troops holding positions inside the village.  The 'thirty casualties' figure is possible, but Saldo's claims that the bridgehead has been eliminated are false.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #810 on: July 03, 2023, 01:56:43 pm »
There are probably a lot of duds in their arsenal, but I would still rather not have them try lobbing them at other people just to find out.


That is my attitude as well
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #811 on: July 03, 2023, 02:52:12 pm »

That is my attitude as well

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Mass and velocity have a destructive impact force of their own. You can multiply that  by the debris field created by  whatever they strike,if they strike anything.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #812 on: July 03, 2023, 08:54:37 pm »
Russia defense chief Sergei Shoigu breaks silence on Wagner revolt

By Ryan King   
July 3, 2023

Vladimir Putin’s defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, commended the “loyalty” of Russia’s armed forces in his first known public remarks on the Wagner Group uprising that sought his ouster.

“This [was] an attempt to destabilize the situation in Russia on June 23-25,” Shoigu told military leadership on a conference call, according to a translation from Russian state news agency RIA Novosti.

“These plans failed primarily because the personnel of the armed forces showed loyalty to the oath and military duty.”

The 68-year-old also downplayed the ramifications of the rebellion on Russia’s war efforts in Ukraine before voicing gratitude to Moscow’s military “for their conscientious service.”

Shoigu repeatedly drew the ire of Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin, who accused the defense chief of incompetence and failing to support the mercenary force before directing his men to march toward Moscow late last month.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/03/putins-defense-chief-breaks-silence-on-wagner-revolt/

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« Reply #813 on: July 03, 2023, 09:27:48 pm »
I guess he's not swimming with the beluga sturgeons.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #814 on: July 04, 2023, 02:12:53 am »
Commander of Russia's Akhmat unit killed in Donbas – Russian media

Mon, July 3, 2023 at 7:44 AM CDT


Yevgeny Pisarenko, the commander of Akhmat, a Chechen armed formation that is fighting on the Russian side, has been killed in combat in Donbas.

Dmitry Kulko, a Russian war correspondent, also reported the death of Pisarenko, aka Velikii ("The Great"), on his Telegram channel.

"Velikii (The Great) was a fellow countryman of mine who served in the Stavropol riot police and received the rank of colonel.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/commander-russias-akhmat-unit-killed-124413239.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #815 on: July 04, 2023, 02:24:25 am »
Update on Antonovsky Bridge bridgehead:


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #816 on: July 04, 2023, 02:36:13 am »
Commander of Russia's Akhmat unit killed in Donbas – Russian media

Mon, July 3, 2023 at 7:44 AM CDT


Yevgeny Pisarenko, the commander of Akhmat, a Chechen armed formation that is fighting on the Russian side, has been killed in combat in Donbas.

Dmitry Kulko, a Russian war correspondent, also reported the death of Pisarenko, aka Velikii ("The Great"), on his Telegram channel.

"Velikii (The Great) was a fellow countryman of mine who served in the Stavropol riot police and received the rank of colonel.  .  .

https://news.yahoo.com/commander-russias-akhmat-unit-killed-124413239.html

Good news.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #817 on: July 04, 2023, 02:40:07 am »

Yevgeny Pisarenko, the commander of Akhmat, a Chechen armed formation that is fighting on the Russian side, has been killed in combat in Donbas.


@Kamaji

Something is wrong about this. High ranking  officers are almost never exposed to enemy fire.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #818 on: July 04, 2023, 07:51:52 pm »
Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin emerges from exile to thank ‘March of Justice’ supporters, promise ‘victories’

By Isabel Keane   
July 4, 2023

Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin emerged Monday more than a week after his mercenary group’s failed rebellion against the Russian government to express gratitude for those who supported his group’s mission.

Prigozhin thanked those who supported the group’s failed uprising in an audio message shared to Telegram, noting that their “March of Justice” was “aimed at fighting traitors and mobilizing our society.”

“In the near future, I am sure that you will see our next victories at the front. Thanks guys!” he said.

Late last month Prigozhin concocted a plan to capture Russia’s top military officials, ordering his mercenary group to march from Ukraine into Russia during a visit to the region near Ukraine’s border.

Two days before the visit Russia’s Federal Security Service discovered Prigozhin’s plot, prompting him to send a few thousand Wagner fighters toward Moscow.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/yevgeny-prigozhin-releases-new-message-thanking-march-of-justice-supporters/

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« Reply #819 on: July 04, 2023, 10:23:54 pm »
These fierce Russian mercenary groups are ready to take Wagner’s place after failed rebellion

By Isabel Vincent   
July 4, 2023

When paramilitaries from the feared Wagner Group took cover in Belarus after their failed mutiny against the Kremlin last month, dozens of other mercenary groups were already poised to take their place in the Ukrainian conflict.

Mercenaries from Redut, Slavonic Corps and E.N.O.T, among dozens of others, have already been spotted fighting in the Russian invasion of Ukraine that began last year, according to reports.

Mercenaries from Redut, also known as Redut-Anti-Terror are among the most prominent, and were some of the first to enter the conflict in Ukraine, according to Russian news reports.

The group, whose Russian-language name means “Redoubt,” has been active in Syria where soldiers have been involved in guarding facilities for a construction conglomerate controlled by Russian billionaire Gennady Timchenko.

Some of the group’s mercenaries, which were recruited on Russian social media platforms, have been convicted of war crimes during the invasion, according to the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/these-russian-mercenaries-are-ready-to-take-wagner-groups-place/

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #820 on: July 04, 2023, 10:35:28 pm »
These fierce Russian mercenary groups are ready to take Wagner’s place after failed rebellion

By Isabel Vincent   
July 4, 2023

When paramilitaries from the feared Wagner Group took cover in Belarus after their failed mutiny against the Kremlin last month, dozens of other mercenary groups were already poised to take their place in the Ukrainian conflict.

Mercenaries from Redut, Slavonic Corps and E.N.O.T, among dozens of others, have already been spotted fighting in the Russian invasion of Ukraine that began last year, according to reports.

Mercenaries from Redut, also known as Redut-Anti-Terror are among the most prominent, and were some of the first to enter the conflict in Ukraine, according to Russian news reports.

The group, whose Russian-language name means “Redoubt,” has been active in Syria where soldiers have been involved in guarding facilities for a construction conglomerate controlled by Russian billionaire Gennady Timchenko.

Some of the group’s mercenaries, which were recruited on Russian social media platforms, have been convicted of war crimes during the invasion, according to the Kharkiv Human Rights Protection Group.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/04/these-russian-mercenaries-are-ready-to-take-wagner-groups-place/

If these other groups were already fighting in Ukraine then they aren't really replacing anyone. And regardless of where they come from, they are stuck with same lack of modern weapons the Russians face.

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #821 on: July 05, 2023, 03:38:02 am »
Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy

Tue 4 Jul 2023 20.47 EDT




Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has again warned Russia may be planning to “simulate an attack” the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, claiming that Russian troops have placed “objects resembling explosives” on the roofs of buildings at the site.

Citing Ukrainian intelligence, Zelenskiy said the objects had been positioned on the roof of several power units of the power plant that is currently held by Russia.

Earlier on Tuesday, Zelenskiy briefed the French president, Emmanuel Macron, on Russia’s “dangerous provocations” at the plant in south-eastern Ukraine. He said he and Macron had “agreed keep the situation under maximum control together with the IAEA”, the UN’s nuclear watchdog.

Zelenskiy’s warnings echo comments he made last week at a joint news conference in Kyiv with the Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez. “There is a serious threat because Russia is technically ready to provoke a local explosion at the station, which could lead to a [radiation] release,” Zelenskiy said at the time.  .  .

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #822 on: July 05, 2023, 04:48:53 am »
Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy

Tue 4 Jul 2023 20.47 EDT



And Russia says Zelenskyy has planted explosives on the nuke roofs.  Fun, eh?
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #823 on: July 05, 2023, 06:17:47 am »
And Russia says Zelenskyy has planted explosives on the nuke roofs.  Fun, eh?

Doesn't Russia currently have control of the site?

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #824 on: July 05, 2023, 06:18:58 am »
Russia has planted suspected explosives on Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant roofs, says Zelenskiy

Tue 4 Jul 2023 20.47 EDT




Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskiy has again warned Russia may be planning to “simulate an attack” the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, claiming that Russian troops have placed “objects resembling explosives” on the roofs of buildings at the site.

Citing Ukrainian intelligence, Zelenskiy said the objects had been positioned on the roof of several power units of the power plant that is currently held by Russia.

Earlier on Tuesday, Zelenskiy briefed the French president, Emmanuel Macron, on Russia’s “dangerous provocations” at the plant in south-eastern Ukraine. He said he and Macron had “agreed keep the situation under maximum control together with the IAEA”, the UN’s nuclear watchdog.

Zelenskiy’s warnings echo comments he made last week at a joint news conference in Kyiv with the Spanish prime minister, Pedro Sánchez. “There is a serious threat because Russia is technically ready to provoke a local explosion at the station, which could lead to a [radiation] release,” Zelenskiy said at the time.  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/05/russia-has-planted-suspected-explosives-on-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-roofs-says-zelenskiy
Meh. Macron can't control Paris.
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