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[sneakypete]

Warfare is an exercise in economic destruction for the invaded, but an exercise in economic depletion for the invader.

@DefiantMassRINO
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Not true,generally.  Historically,the nation that wins USUALLY gets to confiscate the treasury as well as the natural resources of the conquered country. Not to mention enslave it's people.

Hell,in many cases they even went so far as to change the national religion. Or install one,if  that nation didn't already have one.

It has only been in recent years that any Conquer Nation has spent it's own money to rebuilt a conquered nation,and AFAIK,that was primarily America,with  a few other nations playing a minor role.

[Kamaji]

Desperate Putin boosts his soldiers’ pay by 10.5% as he tries to shore up support in the ranks after humiliating Wagner mutiny

From October 1 soldiers will see the pay rise, a government decree said today

By OLIVIA JONES and DAVID AVERRE and WILL STEWART
30 June 2023

In a desperate attempt to boost his support, Vladimir Putin will increase salaries for military servicemen by 10.5 per cent.

From October 1 soldiers will see the pay rise, a government decree published on the official web portal showed today.

The move comes days after an abortive armed mutiny by the mercenary Wagner Group, which briefly took control of the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don and marched towards Moscow in what its leader Yevgeny Prigozhin said was a protest against incompetence and corruption in Russia's top brass.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12251591/Desperate-Putin-boosts-soldiers-pay-10-5-tries-shore-support.html

[240B]

[DB]

Russia is returning to Roman times...

[DB]

Russian roulette on a group scale...

[Kamaji]

Geez.

[240B]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

[PeteS in CA]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

E.G. the improperly stored Korean War era bombs that blew up in the USS Forrestal fire. Their deterioration caused them to cook off quicker than "normal" and to have greater than normal explosive force.

There are parts of France that are still off-limits due to the vast amounts of unexploded WW1 ordnance and pollution from the chemicals used in WW1 munitions. Unexploded bombs from WW2 are still found in Germany, France, and England.

[Smokin Joe]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

Mishandled, could be the reason for some of the ammo dump explosions...

[240B]

Age may make them unpredictable and more volatile. I was thinking more along the lines of detonating in the breech as soon as they are fired.

[PeteS in CA]

Age may make them unpredictable and more volatile. I was thinking more along the lines of detonating in the breach as soon as they are fired.

Unstable ----> Unpredictable

[DB]

Hence Russian roulette using them...

[240B]

[DB]

So a Russian Ruble is 1.1 cents today? So it has lost about 38% of its value relative to the dollar over the last two years with the majority of that loss over the last year. In real terms it is even worse than that because the dollar has lost at least 15% over the last two years primarily due to inflation.

[sneakypete]

Munitions this old are more dangerous to the fools trying to use them than they are to the target.

@240B

I sure wouldn't want to be the guy stuffing them up the Soviet version of a 175mm with a hot barrel.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1675298421450723334

[kevindavis007]

from r/UkraineWarVideoReport

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/14nxsu0/russian_men_over_60_are_already_being_mobilized/

[sneakypete]

https://twitter.com/officejjsmart/status/1675298421450723334

@kevindavis007

Then why is Russia pulling munitions 20 to 50 years old out of storage to use against Ukraine?

Russia is running out of manpower,missiles,tanks,airplanes,and money.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1675400756508205056

[kevindavis007]

@kevindavis007

Then why is Russia pulling munitions 20 to 50 years old out of storage to use against Ukraine?

Russia is running out of manpower,missiles,tanks,airplanes,and money.

@sneakypete


My guess is that China is helping them.

[Kamaji]

Ukraine counteroffensive will take ‘very, long’ time and be ‘very very bloody,’ top US general says

By Jacob Geanous
July 1, 2023

Dozens of Ukrainian soldiers were killed in missile strikes as they crossed the Dnipro River amid a deadly counteroffensive, the Russian-appointed governor of the Kherson region in southern Ukraine said.

An Iskander missile, which is a short-range missile that travels at hypersonic speeds, killed at least 30 Ukrainian fighters and injured a dozen other, Vladimir Saldo said Friday on Telegram.

“The rest of them are hiding in summer houses on both sides of the bridge,” Saldo said.

The east bank of the Dnipro has been the scene of heavy fighting for nearly as week as Ukrainian troops have set up on the strategically important area of the bridge, CNN reported.

The deadly missile strike was the latest high-casualty incident in what is expected to be brutal months of fighting as Ukraine conducts its counteroffensive.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2023/07/01/ukraine-counteroffensive-will-be-slow-and-bloody-gen-milley/

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete


My guess is that China is helping them.

@kevindavis007

Thanks! I hadn't even considered China providing them with munitions,but it makes sense.

I wonder what China gets out of the deal? You can bet your bippy they ain't doing it out of communist solidarity.

[PeteS in CA]

1. Russia does not have an infinite supply of stand-off missiles. They're already having to use older, less precise, models and adapt missiles designed for other purposes to the purpose of bombardment. Eventually Russia will run low on those, too. From a strategic POV, when supply is limited, usage should be focused on points of greatest need. The Russians have not done that and are wasting their limited quantity of their best munitions. As the Germans demonstrated with their London Blitz, dropping explosives in random civilian areas is not likely to succeed.

2. The curious thing about the Russians' offensive against Bakhmut - begun in August last year - is that it was of little strategic value for the Russians. They spent huge numbers of men and material for little strategic purpose. OTOH, a Ukraine breakout from the Bakhmut area would put several major cities in "danger" of being liberated.

[Kamaji]

1. Russia does not have an infinite supply of stand-off missiles. They're already having to use older, less precise, models and adapt missiles designed for other purposes to the purpose of bombardment. Eventually Russia will run low on those, too. From a strategic POV, when supply is limited, usage should be focused on points of greatest need. The Russians have not done that and are wasting their limited quantity of their best munitions. As the Germans demonstrated with their London Blitz, dropping explosives in random civilian areas is not likely to succeed.

2. The curious thing about the Russians' offensive against Bakhmut - begun in August last year - is that it was of little strategic value for the Russians. They spent huge numbers of men and material for little strategic purpose. OTOH, a Ukraine breakout from the Bakhmut area would put several major cities in "danger" of being liberated.

Perhaps the lesson to be learned is:  never accuse the Russians of being too smart.  Bloody-minded and aggressive?  Yes.  Smart?  No.

[kevindavis007]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1675531377146462210