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[Ghost Bear]

The live video above claims that Wagner group is currently surrounding the Russian military headquarters. How do we know it isn't Russian soldiers?

Right now, we don't know. Lots of soldiers and military vehicles in the city, lots of road closures, lots of warnings to the citizens to avoid the city center and stay in their homes... but no fighting yet, or at least no videos of fighting posted, yet. It's a very confusing situation for sure.

[Smokin Joe]

Still no clarity on what's going on.

Why would Wagner group announce where they're going ahead of time? Major head fake?

To give people a little time to sort out whether they want to try to change things, or go into the Ukrainian meat-grinder with Russian guns at their backs...

[sneakypete]

Still no clarity on what's going on.

Why would Wagner group announce where they're going ahead of time? Major head fake?

@DB

I SUSPECT it was an effort to gain some support from deserting soldiers and the Russian public.

Just guessing,though.

Frankly,even though I know this is happening,it is still hard for me to believe.  We can only imagine how hard it is for the typical Russian to believe,regardless of which  side they  may  favor.

Then again,even the Russians know that very little of what the Politburo crowd puts out has any  truth at all connected to  it. An example is a friend I made in Russia loved to say "We pretend to work,and they  pretend to pay  us." He was a university professor.

Of course,I was in Russia a LONG time ago (right after the alleged collapse of communism),and who knows how much has changed in all these years that have passed?

[DB]

My guess it is Russian troops surrounding the Russian military headquarters and not Wagner, based on essentially zero resistance.

[sneakypete]

My guess it is Russian troops surrounding the Russian military headquarters and not Wagner, based on essentially zero resistance.

@DB

I dunno. Given the current situation,the Russian troops might be more afraid of the Politburo and Putin than they are Wagner.

Remember,the Soviet Army is an army  that used NKVD "blocking troops" to the rear of the lines to gun down any Soviet Soldier that refused to advance into the German gunfire.

It is no secret that the only human life the Soviet leadership gives a squat about is there own.

[DB]

All kinds of stories flying around but little confirmed.

[Ghost Bear]

A video is being posted to several Telegram channels, purporting to show Prigozhin meeting with a Russian Deputy Defense Minister at the military headquarters in Rostov. Not known yet if this video is legit, and if it is legit what they were meeting about.   

[DB]

If any of this is true, Putin is done.

[DB]

Prigozhin can't remove Russia's top military leaders while Putin remains in power. It puts Putin second in command.

[DB]

A video is being posted to several Telegram channels, purporting to show Prigozhin meeting with a Russian Deputy Defense Minister at the military headquarters in Rostov. Not known yet if this video is legit, and if it is legit what they were meeting about.   

Making a deal with the Russian military to remove Russia's top military leaders - including Putin - is the only thing that makes any sense, if in fact this is happening.

[Hoodat]

Wagner in Voronezh:

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1672415818033012736

[Ghost Bear]

Making a deal with the Russian military to remove Russia's top military leaders - including Putin - is the only thing that makes any sense, if in fact this is happening.

It may have all been a big show, because now people are claiming that the tanks are moving *out* of Rostov. I guess Prigozhin got what he wanted?     It is all very strange!

[DB]

So Wagner is claiming control of the military headquarters and that those were his troops and tanks.

I don't see how it is possible that he could remove Putin's top generals by force and Putin remain in power. It is a direct challenge to his authority.

The Russian military may also have had enough dying for nothing.

[DB]

Again, if this is true, and it appears to be - Putin has to be on his way out. No one has heard anything from Putin while all this is going on.

So who will be the next leader???

[sneakypete]

Again, if this is true, and it appears to be - Putin has to be on his way out. No one has heard anything from Putin while all this is going on.

So who will be the next leader???

@DB

Hell,who is the leader now that Pooty-Poot is in hiding?

Is his  yacht still there?

What about his private jet?

Does he speak and Chinese?

[DB]

@DB

Hell,who is the leader now that Pooty-Poot is in hiding?

Is his  yacht still there?

What about his private jet?

Does he speak and Chinese?

He's supposed to give a speech to the nation in 6 minutes.

[Ghost Bear]

Reports say that Putin will make an address shortly. No indication what he is going to say.

[DB]

No Putin speech yet.

It sounds like the Russian military is siding with Wagner as they travel towards Moscow.

[DB]

Will Putin still be alive in 24 hours?

[sneakypete]

No Putin speech yet.

It sounds like the Russian military is siding with Wagner as they travel towards Moscow.

@DB

Well,he has a private yacht that is said to be the largest yacht in the world,and he also has a jet airliner,so if he has made it to the safety of either and he has left the port or the terminal,he has a good chance of getting away.

Hell,if he gets away in the yacht,he can sell that for enough to provide for his family for generations,although come to think of it,there is no such thing as private property in the USSR because the State owns everything,so they can get the yacht or the jet back.

Wouldn't it be great to see him polishing shoes on a street corner in France ,hoping to get enough money to  buy dinner?

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[DB]

@DB

Well,he has a private yacht that is said to be the largest yacht in the world,and he also has a jet airliner,so if he has made it to the safety of either and he has left the port or the terminal,he has a good chance of getting away.

Hell,if he gets away in the yacht,he can sell that for enough to provide for his family for generations,although come to think of it,there is no such thing as private property in the USSR because the State owns everything,so they can get the yacht or the jet back.

If the military turns on him, it would seem unlikely he'd get away. The yacht is worthless as a getaway vehicle. An airplane will be tracked with modern technology.

[Gefn]

Wagner Boss Says He’s ‘Ready to Die’ With 25,000 Fighters

Moscow has launched anti-terrorist operations as Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin says he is “ready to die” with 25,000 fighters prepared to stage a mutiny and stop the “evil” leading the war effort.

After months of feuding between the mercenary boss and Russia’s Defense Ministry, things came to a head Friday when Prigozhin accused the Russian military of ordering a rocket strike on a camp full of his men, and vowed merciless revenge.

Within hours, the Prosecutor General’s Office announced charges against Prigozhin for attempting to incite an armed rebellion, a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 20 years behind bars. Top Russian military brass released video appeals calling on Prigozhin to surrender, or for his own men to detain him and hand him over. State-run media aired an emergency broadcast relaying the same message.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/feud-between-moscow-wagner-group-214329810.html

[DB]

The Russian air force had to have stood down in order for Wagner to use the main freeway to move large numbers of troops/armored vehicles going towards Moscow.

[Gefn]

Wagner Troops Take Over Military Headquarters in Southern Russia as Mutiny Spreads


https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-shoots-down-russian-cruise-missile-barrage-9d9da03a

(Video story)

[DB]

Pretty amazing... The Russian general who bombed Wagner troops essentially started a revolt that in turn looks likely to topple Putin. A strange turn of events...