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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2023, 12:32:43 pm »
Well this has to be the strangest turn of events that I see, to follow this here is the link: https://twitter.com/hashtag/Belgorod?src=hashtag_click
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« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2023, 01:08:06 pm »
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« Reply #127 on: May 22, 2023, 02:10:56 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2023, 02:15:04 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2023, 02:20:49 pm »
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« Reply #130 on: May 22, 2023, 02:22:47 pm »
With all the talk of a 'brokered peace' in the region, Ukraine needs more of a bargaining chip than "Russians go home!". Captured Russian territory would level the bargaining table, with both sides withdrawing to their respective pre-conflict borders, instead of one sided demands.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #131 on: May 22, 2023, 02:54:14 pm »
Ballsy raid toward Belgorod if true...

https://news.yahoo.com/freedom-russia-legion-declares-liberation-132000222.html

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“The advanced units have entered Grayvoron. We are moving forward. Russia will be free,” the Legion’s post read.

Vyacheslav Gladkov, the governor of Belgorod Oblast, confirmed there had been an armed incursion into the territory of the oblast’s Grayvoron District, referring to the volunteers as a “sabotage and reconnaissance group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.”

“The Russian Armed Forces, together with the Border Service, National Guard, and FSB, are taking the necessary measures to eliminate the enemy,” Gladkov wrote on Telegram.

The Freedom of Russia Legion is a unit within the Armed Forces of Ukraine, established in March 2022 to combat the Russian invasion of Ukraine. It comprises defectors from the Russian Armed Forces and other Russian volunteers who had not previously served in military units.

Previously, fighters from the Russian Volunteer Corps, who are engaged in combat against the Russian army in Ukraine, reported that they had once again infiltrated Russian territory. They released videos of themselves alongside signs displaying the names of settlements in Russian oblasts bordering Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #132 on: May 22, 2023, 03:02:54 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2023, 03:09:41 pm »
The Twitter feed for "Belgorod" is fun to read today...

https://twitter.com/hashtag/Belgorod?src=hashtag_click

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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2023, 05:15:54 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #135 on: May 23, 2023, 01:37:28 am »
Moscow Blames ‘Ukrainian Saboteurs’ for Attack in Western Belgorod Region

Adam Morrow  |  May 22, 2023


A fuel depot on fire in the city of Belgorod, Russia, on April 1, 2022. (Pavel Kolyadin/BelPressa/Reuters)

Ukrainian saboteurs have attacked Russia’s Belgorod region, the region’s governor claimed on May 22, leaving three people injured and causing significant material damage.

The government in Kyiv, for its part, denies complicity in the attack, attributing it instead to “violent resistance movements” that are opposed to Russian President Vladimir Putin.  .  .

.  .  .  Vyacheslav Gladkov, Belgorod’s regional governor, said the attack began with an artillery barrage on the village of Glotovo in Belgorod’s Grayvoron district.  .  .

https://www.theepochtimes.com/moscow-blames-ukrainian-saboteurs-for-attack-in-western-belgorod-region_5283345.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #136 on: May 23, 2023, 01:05:02 pm »
Russia's meatgrinder campaign to nowhere: How Wagner has sacrificed thousands of men to take Bakhmut… but are now trapped and unable to press on as Ukraine surrounds the city

Moscow claimed its forces had taken full control of the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut over the weekend
But Kyiv says Putin's forces in the city are surrounded on three sides - to the north, south and west

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
22 May 2023

Russian forces have walked into a trap by taking control of Bakhmut after a grinding nine-month battle for the Ukrainian city, Kyiv has said.

Moscow claimed to have taken full control of the eastern city over the weekend, in what would be a largely symbolic victory that has come at the cost of tens of thousands of Russian and Wagner mercenary troops. Kyiv disputed the Russian claim, but acknowledged its forces now control only a small district.

But while the situation in Bakhmut itself appears bleak for Ukraine, Kyiv says its fighters' presence has played a key role in their strategy of exhausting the Russian military ahead of a planned counteroffensive, while manoeuvring around the flanks of the city.

Ukraine now says its current positions in the areas surrounding Bakhmut - where its forces have fought to surround the city from the north and south in recent weeks and sent Russian troops running - will allow them to strike back.

According to Ukraine's Colonel General Oleksandr Syrskyi: 'Wagner's men went into Bakhmut like rats into a mousetrap.'

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While Moscow may control the centre of Bakhmut, analysts say the Kremlin's victory is not strategically advantageous, as it is unlikely to provide a springboard for either Wagner or Russia's armed forces to advance further west.

What's more, as Wagner pushed relentlessly through the city, Ukraine's forces launched rapid counterattacks in the fields to the north and south of Bakhmut, meaning Kyiv's troops surround the city from three sides.

Kyiv now holds the high ground around the city, putting any Russian unit in the sights of Ukrainian artillery from multiple directions.

Even more important for Ukraine has been the high numbers of Russian casualties and sapping of the morale of enemy troops for the the small patch of the 932-mile front line as Ukraine gears up for a major counteroffensive in the 15-month-old war.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12110023/How-Wagner-sacrificed-thousands-men-Bakhmut-trapped.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #137 on: May 23, 2023, 01:08:07 pm »
Russian minister, 46, 'who privately condemned Putin's "fascist" invasion of Ukraine' becomes latest figure to mysteriously die: Official married to Eurovision singer fell ill during flight from Cuba to Moscow

By JAMES REYNOLDS
22 May 2023

Russia's deputy science minister, allegedly a private critic of the 'fascist' invasion of Ukraine, has died suddenly, aged just 46, after falling seriously ill on a flight to Moscow on Saturday. Pyotr Kucherenko (pictured left and bottom right) was returning from a business trip to Cuba when the flight was forced to make an emergency landing in southern Russia, the Science and Higher Education Ministry confirmed yesterday. Arriving doctors performed CPR but were unable to save the official. His family said the death was linked to an underlying heart condition, but the body is expected to undergo an autopsy on May 24.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/galleries/article-12111321/Russian-minister-46-latest-senior-figure-mysteriously-die.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #138 on: May 23, 2023, 01:16:10 pm »
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Pyotr Kucherenko (pictured left and bottom right) was returning from a business trip to Cuba

WTF????

A commie official making a business trip to another commie country?

No wonder he "too sick and died".
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #139 on: May 23, 2023, 01:21:21 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #140 on: May 23, 2023, 05:33:34 pm »
The whole Belgorod attack looks like an effort to draw Russian troops from other fronts prior to the Ukrainian counteroffensive.  If it was truly just a bunch of Russians taking things into their own hands, for their own reasons, the best time to have attacked would have been after the Ukrainians did, because that counteroffensive would draw off Russian forces/reserves from being able to help in Belgorod.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #141 on: May 23, 2023, 06:39:04 pm »
Russia's meatgrinder campaign to nowhere: How Wagner has sacrificed thousands of men to take Bakhmut… but are now trapped and unable to press on as Ukraine surrounds the city

Moscow claimed its forces had taken full control of the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut over the weekend
But Kyiv says Putin's forces in the city are surrounded on three sides - to the north, south and west

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
22 May 2023

Russian forces have walked into a trap by taking control of Bakhmut after a grinding nine-month battle for the Ukrainian city, Kyiv has said.

Moscow claimed to have taken full control of the eastern city over the weekend, in what would be a largely symbolic victory that has come at the cost of tens of thousands of Russian and Wagner mercenary troops. Kyiv disputed the Russian claim, but acknowledged its forces now control only a small district.

But while the situation in Bakhmut itself appears bleak for Ukraine, Kyiv says its fighters' presence has played a key role in their strategy of exhausting the Russian military ahead of a planned counteroffensive, while manoeuvring around the flanks of the city.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12110023/How-Wagner-sacrificed-thousands-men-Bakhmut-trapped.html
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #142 on: May 23, 2023, 06:43:35 pm »
Highway E105/M2, on the outskirts of Belograd, is almost a straight shot into Moscow.

Could be an attempt to pre-emptively cut off potential supply lines or lines of re-inforcement from the north in preparation for an attack further south along the battle lines.

Or, it could be a flanking maneuver - attack the enemy where they are not.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #143 on: May 23, 2023, 08:05:29 pm »
Quote from: Kamaji on May 23, 2023, 06:39:04 pm
Russia's meatgrinder campaign to nowhere: How Wagner has sacrificed thousands of men to take Bakhmut… but are now trapped and unable to press on as Ukraine surrounds the city

Moscow claimed its forces had taken full control of the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut over the weekend
But Kyiv says Putin's forces in the city are surrounded on three sides - to the north, south and west

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
22 May 2023

Russian forces have walked into a trap by taking control of Bakhmut after a grinding nine-month battle for the Ukrainian city, Kyiv has said.

Moscow claimed to have taken full control of the eastern city over the weekend, in what would be a largely symbolic victory that has come at the cost of tens of thousands of Russian and Wagner mercenary troops. Kyiv disputed the Russian claim, but acknowledged its forces now control only a small district.

But while the situation in Bakhmut itself appears bleak for Ukraine, Kyiv says its fighters' presence has played a key role in their strategy of exhausting the Russian military ahead of a planned counteroffensive, while manoeuvring around the flanks of the city.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12110023/How-Wagner-sacrificed-thousands-men-Bakhmut-trapped.html

The Russian explanation for trying to take Bakhmut was that it was the alleged linchpin of the Ukrainian defenses in that area, and if Bakhmut fell, the Ukrainians would have to retreat all along that front.  But as it turned out, even if Bakhmut "fell", the Ukrainians are showing no signs of retreating, and in fact quite the opposite.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #144 on: May 23, 2023, 10:32:43 pm »
Anti-Kremlin fighters cause 'chaos' in Russian border region


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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #145 on: May 23, 2023, 11:09:50 pm »
Balderdash.

 As long as the rebels in Russia are acting as rebels in Russia, all it can do to hurt Ukraine is if the western press spin it as a Ukrainian operation. So long as there is no western fingerprint on it, it can't be used as propaganda against Ukraine.

The Russian army still has to deal with them, there's a chance that the Russians will have to respond, militarily, and that will remove Russians from the main fray.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #146 on: May 23, 2023, 11:24:36 pm »
Not sure if this true or not:



Russians looking for options to leave occupied Crimea, says Ukrainian military
https://news.yahoo.com/russians-looking-options-leave-occupied-095600247.html
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« Reply #147 on: May 23, 2023, 11:44:38 pm »
Something is happening in Russia and it's not good for Putin:
https://twitter.com/search?q=Kursk&src=trend_click&vertical=trends



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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #148 on: May 24, 2023, 12:00:53 am »
Quote from: kevindavis007 on May 23, 2023, 11:44:38 pm
Something is happening in Russia and it's not good for Putin:
https://twitter.com/search?q=Kursk&src=trend_click&vertical=trends





What’s that?  I don’t have a twitter account so can’t see the post.
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Re: Ukraine 4
« Reply #149 on: May 24, 2023, 01:02:35 am »
Quote from: Kamaji on May 24, 2023, 12:00:53 am
What’s that?  I don’t have a twitter account so can’t see the post.

@Kamaji

More Russian anti-Putin troops popping up around Kursk.

Still no evidence they're in large enough numbers to be a problem, though.
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