Trump Announces Plan to End Homelessness. The Left Will Hate It.

[libertybele]

Trump thinks he's FDR.  The most Socialist POTUS in our history.

I liked him as president but lately some of his comments are concerning.  Yes, IMHO he's leaning towards socialism.

[LMAO]

Out of all the possible solutions out there, Trump is picking the most big government one possible.

First, he's having the federal government dictate internal policies to cities, which he can't constitutionally do.  If the cities wish to let the homeless continue occupying their public spaces, there isn't a a damn thing the federal government can do about it. But Trump doesn't know about that, probably because he never cracked open a book about the federal government is entire lifetime.

Second, he is setting up massive, centrally controlled federal boondoggles on federal land that will be putting the taxpayer permanently on the hook for supporting a bunch of addicts and mentally ill people.

It's not only massive federal overreach, but naive in the extreme to think that the homeless are going to be shuffled willingly off to the boonies.  But even if they did, once they get there, they will of course trash, defecate in, and otherwise destroy the properties our tax dollars went to build. It is an abominably stupid idea.  But Trump goes with it because he just thinks he can do whatever he wants is President.  So he is showing himself to be both ignorant, and a fool.  Either that, or a sleazy used car salesman who knows that most of what he is telling the public is a lie. Pick your poison.

The problem is primarily one that has to be handled at the state and local level because they are the ones that have legal control over the property on which this is happening.  As long as the people in those areas continue electing government officials willing to tolerate this, there is not a damn thing that can be done about it.  So what a president could do is use the bully pulpit to point out what the state and local governments should be doing.   But persuading others and converting them to his point of view has never been Trump's forte.

However, the single most important thing the federal government could do to address this is a massive federal crackdown on drugs, because drug abuse, especially in conjunction with mental illness, is the single biggest cause of those people being on the streets in the first place in those encampments.

So you're talking a significant step up not only in street level enforcement by federal drug agents, but also a significant increase in penalties for drug dealing.  As in death penalty for large scale dealing, long prison sentences for other dealers, and prison sentences for a lot of users.

That is the one federal mechanism that can get those people actually off the streets so the streets can be cleaned up.

By the way, isn't Trump the guy who pardoned or commuted the sentences of a bunch of people in federal prison for drug offenses before he left office?

You can explain this all day to the MAGAs and they don't care.

[LMAO]

Concentration camps?

As for where they will be taken, Trump said “large parcels of inexpensive land” will be opened where a range of medical professionals, social workers, and drug rehab specialists will care for the homeless to address their problems.

And were are these professionals
to take care of these people going to come from? We can't even staff our hospitals?

[Wingnut]

Concentration camps?

As for where they will be taken, Trump said “large parcels of inexpensive land” will be opened where a range of medical professionals, social workers, and drug rehab specialists will care for the homeless to address their problems.

Internment Camps.  Has a nicer ring to it, unless you are a Japanize American.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Trump thinks he's FDR.  The most Socialist POTUS in our history.

The claim in the title that "The Left will hate it" is true,but only on a technicality.  They'd hate it only because it was proposed by Trump.  But otherwise, all that new federal spending is right up their alley.

[Bigun]

I liked him as president but lately some of his comments are concerning. 

  Very!

[berdie]

This idea really is a bad one.

First of all...this is the jurisdiction of the cities. I have read that a lot of these cities have decided it is hunky dory and passed laws to accommodate the lifestyle.

Second of all...a lot of these people like being homeless. They aren't crazy (clinically). I guess I can see the appeal of the lack of responsibility and freedom. There have been hobos for many years. Not that I could ever live it, I'm too into creature comforts.

Bottom line is...it is not a Federal issue.

[The_Reader_David]

Typical Trumpism:  great identification of a problem to be solved, boneheaded proposal for a solution.  (cf.  also confront China, use tariffs; control illegal immigration, build a wall). 

Someone else with Trump's intuition about what's wrong with America, but without Trump's ego, so that (s)he would listen to experts before deciding on a solution, rather than just making something up that seems good to him (her) would be a great President.  Trump should just go away.  He had his chance, but his ego (of which his abrasive style is a manifestation) kept him from being a genuinely good President, and all indications are that the problems his ego creates for him have gotten worse over time.

[GtHawk]

Why so opposed to dealing with this?  No one, including Trump, claims it will be easy ----- but, this is no reason to retreat before a real debate begins.

So of course questioning the great Trump means we are against dealing with the homeless and mentally ill, one trick pony much?

[GtHawk]

This idea really is a bad one.

First of all...this is the jurisdiction of the cities. I have read that a lot of these cities have decided it is hunky dory and passed laws to accommodate the lifestyle.

Second of all...a lot of these people like being homeless. They aren't crazy (clinically). I guess I can see the appeal of the lack of responsibility and freedom. There have been hobos for many years. Not that I could ever live it, I'm too into creature comforts.

Bottom line is...it is not a Federal issue.

Exactly, a lot of people like living outside the rules and laws of society, and this way they are rarely hassled by police and in fact are given protected class status by democrats.

[DCPatriot]

So of course questioning the great Trump means we are against dealing with the homeless and mentally ill, one trick pony much?

???

Everything he said he would do, he did (which really pissed off a lot of D.C. people) in terms of a successful outcome whether it was economically, diplomatically with foreign leaders/adversaries.

He said he could solve the homeless crisis.  Of course he can do it.

Wouldn't be long before the Usual Suspects would be screaming for the same opportunities for border crashers...er, excuse me, "Asylum Seekers".

Until anybody with a negative opinion can come up with a different practical, work-in-the-real-world solution, the posts here against his 'solution' are comical.

[DCPatriot]

Exactly, a lot of people like living outside the rules and laws of society, and this way they are rarely hassled by police and in fact are given protected class status by democrats.

So, what's your problem?

The ones that don't want to move to these facilities are simply kicked the hell out of where they were squatting....imagine that???   

[berdie]

So, what's your problem?

The ones that don't want to move to these facilities are simply kicked the hell out of where they were squatting....imagine that???   

The problem, to me, is that it is not a federal issue.

[Smokin Joe]

First, you will never - nor should you ever - try to end all homelessness.  As a very wise man once said, the poor will always be with us.  Guaranteeing there will be no homelessness at all requires a government promise of housing for everyone, including the able-bodied who deliberately choose not to work.

Second, out of all the theoretical solutions out there, Trump is picking the most big government one possible.

He's having the federal government dictate internal policies to cities, which he can't constitutionally do.  If the cities wish to let the homeless continue occupying their public spaces, there isn't a a damn thing the federal government can do about it. But Trump doesn't know about that, probably because he never cracked open a book about the federal government is entire lifetime.

Second, he is setting up massive, centrally controlled federal boondoggles on federal land that will be putting the taxpayer permanently on the hook for supporting a bunch of addicts and mentally ill people.

It's not only massive federal overreach, but naive in the extreme to think that the homeless are going to be shuffled willingly off to the boonies.  But even if they did, once they get there, they will of course trash, defecate in, and otherwise destroy the properties our tax dollars went to build. It is an abominably stupid idea.  But Trump goes with it because he just thinks he can do whatever he wants is President.  So he is showing himself to be both ignorant, and a fool.  Either that, or a sleazy used car salesman who knows that most of what he is telling the public is a lie. Pick your poison.

The problem is primarily one that has to be handled at the state and local level because they are the ones that have legal control over the property on which this is happening.  As long as the people in those areas continue electing government officials willing to tolerate this, there is not a damn thing that can be done about it.  So what a president could do is use the bully pulpit to point out what the state and local governments should be doing.   But persuading others and converting them to his point of view has never been Trump's forte.

However, the single most important thing the federal government could do to address this is a massive federal crackdown on drugs, because drug abuse, especially in conjunction with mental illness, is the single biggest cause of those people being on the streets in the first place in those encampments.

So you're talking a significant step up not only in street level enforcement by federal drug agents, but also a significant increase in penalties for drug dealing.  As in death penalty for large scale dealing, long prison sentences for other dealers, and prison sentences for a lot of users.

That is the one federal mechanism that can get those people actually off the streets so the streets can be cleaned up.

By the way, isn't Trump the guy who pardoned or commuted the sentences of a bunch of people in federal prison for drug offenses before he left office?

What needs to be done to help that along (a LOT) is to secure the damned borders. The flood of illegals carries within it strong currents laden with drugs.

[GtHawk]

So, what's your problem?

The ones that don't want to move to these facilities are simply kicked the hell out of where they were squatting....imagine that???   

Um, I'm not the one with the problem.

[Smokin Joe]

The problem, to me, is that it is not a federal issue.

Agreed. That's State and Local Government's turf, literally and Constitutionally.

Just as nothing short of declaring that life begins at conception and that taking that life outside of medical necessity would be murder being the ONLY way that the SCOTUS could stop abortion, and it did the Constitutionally correct thing otherwise and kicked the issue down to the States.

[DCPatriot]

The problem, to me, is that it is not a federal issue.

Then, the "problem", being nationwide coast-to-coast means that it has BECOME a federal issue.

We've been living under EO's since Obama declared he had a pen and a phone.

This is a national security crisis...treat it as such.

[DCPatriot]

Um, I'm not the one with the problem.

 

[roamer_1]

What's screwy, although predictable, is you want only to preach, whine, and point fingers at the homeless epidemic in this nation. Thinking, doing and fixing are outside the realm of possible.

How would *you* end this:

Not with more big government.

[roamer_1]

I liked him as president but lately some of his comments are concerning.  Yes, IMHO he's leaning towards socialism.

I hate to break it to ya, but he always has. He's big government, all the way.

[LMAO]

Not with more big government.

And it could start a very bad precedent.

We have seen how governments will abuse its power under the guise of a crisis

[berdie]

Then, the "problem", being nationwide coast-to-coast means that it has BECOME a federal issue.

We've been living under EO's since Obama declared he had a pen and a phone.

This is a national security crisis...treat it as such.

I must respectfully disagree. I'm sorry that San Fran has a huge homeless problem (example only). But it doesn't affect cities nationwide.

If my tiny town has a problem that the city council decides people can live on the streets it is up to me to vote their fannies out of office.

The closest big city to me is Dallas. When the homeless camps get too large, they are routinely cleared out by local authorities. Not the Feds. And Dallas is definitely not a conservative city.

[roamer_1]

This idea really is a bad one.
[...]
Bottom line is...it is not a Federal issue.

That's right.

[roamer_1]

Until anybody with a negative opinion can come up with a different practical, work-in-the-real-world solution, the posts here against his 'solution' are comical.

No, this 'solution' is what's comical. NO Republican should be for it. Not a one.

The solution comes from federalism and removing prohibitive regulations that prevent states from doing what they need to. FIFTY solutions are better than one. Get out of the damn way and let the states figure it out. The best ways will be different for different regions. and those best ways will emerge.

[roamer_1]

Then, the "problem", being nationwide coast-to-coast means that it has BECOME a federal issue.

We've been living under EO's since Obama declared he had a pen and a phone.

This is a national security crisis...treat it as such.

No it is NOT a federal issue. And it never will be. Other than removing the federal regulation that prevents the states from performing.