How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline

[Hoodat]

Where, specifically, is Hersh wrong?  Provide your proof.

The burden of proof here is on Hersh.

[Right_in_Virginia]

"European MP Clare Daly condemns US attack on Nord Stream:. "Then along comes Seymour Hersh, the world's most acclaimed living investigative journalist. He produces a detailed claim that the United States executed this explosion with Norway." (Video)

https://mobile.twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1626348349069873152

[mountaineer]

LATEST:
HUGE if true –> Nord Stream ‘sabotage’ whistleblower allegedly comes forward (thread)
Posted at 9:20 am on May 22, 2023
by Sam Janney, Twitchy  ...

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1660420327325958144

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

LATEST:
HUGE if true –> Nord Stream ‘sabotage’ whistleblower allegedly comes forward (thread)
Posted at 9:20 am on May 22, 2023
by Sam Janney, Twitchy  ...

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/1660420327325958144

 

Need more proof.

[Kamaji]

Need more proof.

Particularly given the evidence that Russian equipment that could have been used in the task was present in the area at the time.

[mountaineer]

I report; you decide.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
Substack, Feb 8, 2023, Seymour Hirsch

The U.S. Navy’s Diving and Salvage Center can be found in a location as obscure as its name—down what was once a country lane in rural Panama City, a now-booming resort city in the southwestern panhandle of Florida, 70 miles south of the Alabama border. The center’s complex is as nondescript as its location—a drab concrete post-World War II structure that has the look of a vocational high school on the west side of Chicago. A coin-operated laundromat and a dance school are across what is now a four-lane road.

The center has been training highly skilled deep-water divers for decades who, once assigned to American military units worldwide, are capable of technical diving to do the good—using C4 explosives to clear harbors and beaches of debris and unexploded ordinance—as well as the bad, like blowing up foreign oil rigs, fouling intake valves for undersea power plants, destroying locks on crucial shipping canals. The Panama City center, which boasts the second largest indoor pool in America, was the perfect place to recruit the best, and most taciturn, graduates of the diving school who successfully did last summer what they had been authorized to do 260 feet under the surface of the Baltic Sea.

Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.

Two of the pipelines, which were known collectively as Nord Stream 1, had been providing Germany and much of Western Europe with cheap Russian natural gas for more than a decade. A second pair of pipelines, called Nord Stream 2, had been built but were not yet operational. Now, with Russian troops massing on the Ukrainian border and the bloodiest war in Europe since 1945 looming, President Joseph Biden saw the pipelines as a vehicle for Vladimir Putin to weaponize natural gas for his political and territorial ambitions.

Asked for comment, Adrienne Watson, a White House spokesperson, said in an email, “This is false and complete fiction.” Tammy Thorp, a spokesperson for the Central Intelligence Agency, similarly wrote: “This claim is completely and utterly false.”

Biden’s decision to sabotage the pipelines came after more than nine months of highly secret back and forth debate inside Washington’s national security community about how to best achieve that goal. For much of that time, the issue was not whether to do the mission, but how to get it done with no overt clue as to who was responsible.

There was a vital bureaucratic reason for relying on the graduates of the center’s hardcore diving school in Panama City. The divers were Navy only, and not members of America’s Special Operations Command, whose covert operations must be reported to Congress and briefed in advance to the Senate and House leadership—the so-called Gang of Eight. The Biden Administration was doing everything possible to avoid leaks as the planning took place late in 2021 and into the first months of 2022.

More:
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

Gee, I'm so shocked to see an anti-American screed from this source.  And I don't mean just Hersh....

There is a significant group - NOT all - of Trump supporters who have gone round the bend.  They start with viewing Biden and the Administration as "the enemy", add some sauteed "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", then garnish with "anything that hurts my enemy is good."

Mix all that together, and you get "anything that damages the U.S. under Biden's leadership is a good thing."

It's called the "anti-American souffle", because  the key ingredient is lots and lots of hot air.

The truly sad thing about this is that Republicans used to oppose the Blame America First crowd.  Now, this orange freak running for the GOP nomination, and a lot of his supporters, are the biggest proponents of it.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The burden of proof here is on Hersh.

Unless and until Hersh provides the name of the alleged whistleblower, and the whistleblower's identity and access is verified, there's nothing to refute because it would be asking us to prove The whistleblower is lying without even telling us who the whistleblower is.

It's preposterous, but RIV already knows that.

[Free Vulcan]

What seems to be lost is that whoever took it out, Russia will get their revenge. And if we did, I wouldn't get to cowboy swagger about it, because they will find a way to make us pay.

[DefiantMassRINO]

 

There's an alternate theory ...


 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Need more proof.

Word is they traced the IP of this "concerned citizen" back to Mar-I-Lago....

[Maj. Bill Martin]

What seems to be lost is that whoever took it out, Russia will get their revenge. And if we did, I wouldn't get to cowboy swagger about it, because they will find a way to make us pay.

Doesn't Russia seem remarkably quiet about this?  None of the typical Russian bluster you'd normally expect, no demands for accountability, etc..   It's almost like they really don't care that much about exposing the perpetrators....

[DefiantMassRINO]

The "leaks" occurred just outside Danish (NATO) territorial waters, but within the Danish economic exclusivity zone ... a perfect spot for a false flag operation to blame NATO, or its members.

If NATO, or one of its members, was going to sabotage the pipelines, but maintain more plausible deniability, it would have been better to do it in Sweden's economic exclusivity zone.

Why is so important to believe the West, NATO, or the US is responsible?  The only reason for such a belief is to justify activity against the West, NATO, or the US; or to garner sympathy for Putin's cause.

If the Russians truly believed or had proof that the West, NATO, or the US was responsible, the Russian embassador to the UN would be pounding his shoe on his podium.

[Kamaji]

The "leaks" occurred just outside Danish (NATO) territorial waters, but within the Danish economic exclusivity zone ... a perfect spot for a false flag operation to blame NATO, or its members.

If NATO, or one of its members, was going to sabotage the pipelines, but maintain more plausible deniability, it would have been better to do it in Sweden's economic exclusivity zone.

Why is so important to believe the West, NATO, or the US is responsible?  The only reason for such a belief is to justify activity against the West, NATO, or the US; or to garner sympathy for Putin's cause.

If the Russians truly believed or had proof that the West, NATO, or the US was responsible, the Russian embassador to the UN would be pounding his shoe on his podium.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Why is so important to believe the West, NATO, or the US is responsible?  The only reason for such a belief is to justify activity against the West, NATO, or the US; or to garner sympathy for Putin's cause.

That's really the question, isn't it?  And to be clear, this isn't a case where there is incontrovertible evidence, and all that is being asked is to believe what has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Because in that case, the answer to your question would be just "I'm just stating the truth".

No, this is about an incident where there is very little concrete evidence, and all we have are various degrees of speculation backed by some slim degree of circumstantial evidence.  So in this case, asking why some people are pushing the "blame America" narrative so hard, and why they are trying so hard to convince others that it is true, is a very interesting question.  Especially since there are some Americans in that group.

What possible motivation do those people have?  Especially because if it was proven to be true, we would be liable for all the damages, and could possibly find ourselves in World War 3.

If the Russians truly believed or had proof that the West, NATO, or the US was responsible, the Russian embassador to the UN would be pounding his shoe on his podium.

Absolutely.