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Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« on: January 13, 2023, 03:15:16 pm »
Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
By: Michael O'Shea
January 13, 2023

After a disastrous 2022 midterm performance, the Republican Party may be poised for a period of prolonged opposition at the national level.

The 2022 midterm elections were a catastrophe for Republicans, and a historic one at that.

Every meaningful trend favored GOP candidates: uneasy economic conditions, an unpopular president who seems better suited to a bingo hall, a volatile foreign-policy environment, and a midterm voter pool that has consistently favored Republicans. Democratic candidates won many competitive Senate races, and the nearly inevitable Republican takeover of the House barely materialized. Some candidates, like Kari Lake in Arizona, snatched defeat from the jaws of certain victory. And President Trump vented his frustration at pro-lifers who fueled his 2016 victory. It might be time to ask: Can Republicans still win at the national level?

History shows that American politics is reliably cyclical. So, too, is this kind of catastrophizing. After the 2004 election, some pundits spoke of the end of the Democratic Party; four years later, that same party emphatically won the White House and Congress, including a filibuster-proof Senate supermajority that allowed passage of Obamacare.

Furthermore, both parties are reliably incompetent at governing and, really, anything besides fundraising and generating anger. Once one achieves an edge, as Democrats currently enjoy now, the hourglass starts pouring. Think about it this way: It’s only a matter of time until the party of drag queen story hour becomes embroiled in a major scandal or otherwise wrecks its credibility.  

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2023, 03:22:23 pm »
America does not have national elections.  We have state elections for elected Federal offices.

It would help if the GOP had ideas.  Things need meaningful action to be fixed; not Jerry Springer episodes in the House.
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2023, 03:24:35 pm »
The fact the GOP in the midterms lost senate seats despite the worst performing POTUS in modern history?

Much debated...

Electoral Steal?
Bad Candidates?  (Oz and Walker as examples)
Dobbs hijacked the electoral narrative?
Feckless and complicit GOP giving that Uni-party aura?
Strategic funding disasters around candidates?
Brainwashing the sheep by MSM/Big Tech?

Who is to say, how much of these six proportionally added to this disaster.  But until the GOP addresses these, I have to agree with the Op-ed.  The dims are kicking their asses on so many fronts, and this unorganized, uninspired lot are embarrassing everyone right of center.
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2023, 03:26:02 pm »
When was the last time "we" won the popular vote? 2004?

We're outnumbered.

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2023, 03:31:23 pm »
When was the last time "we" won the popular vote? 2004?

We're outnumbered.

Yeah, and I know why #7....   Addressing the entitement junkie slugs who are addicted to the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow.  That is the toughest one to address.  And may not have a solution, without some kind of revolutionary change in how our government does business.
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2023, 03:36:05 pm »
When was the last time "we" won the popular vote? 2004?

We're outnumbered.

In our history, there have been only seven Democrats win a majority of the popular vote, not counting the 2020 fiasco.  For a Party that keeps pushing the popular vote theme, they sure have had a difficult time winning it over their history.
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2023, 03:43:18 pm »
In our history, there have been only seven Democrats win a majority of the popular vote, not counting the 2020 fiasco.  For a Party that keeps pushing the popular vote theme, they sure have had a difficult time winning it over their history.

Maybe one of the few times that Mittens the RINO was sadly right, was when he was caught on hot mic saying that 47% of Americans were Government dependent. 

A significant significant significant majority of that 47% are locked in, as those 47% vote in fear of losing government help. Now add a bludgeoning explosion of new migrant voters?

That's a huge mountain for the GOP to climb ever.....  as far as ever winning the overall popular vote.

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2023, 03:56:33 pm »
Maybe one of the few times that Mittens the RINO was sadly right, was when he was caught on hot mic saying that 47% of Americans were Government dependent. 

That was in 2012.  To be fair, the 2012 Romney candidate was substantially further to the Conservative side than the 2016 Trump candidate.  But I digress.


A significant significant significant majority of that 47% are locked in, as those 47% vote in fear of losing government help. Now add a bludgeoning explosion of new migrant voters?

That number now exceeds 50%.  We are past the point of no return.  Every single dollar paid in federal income taxes goes to a direct cash payment to another individual, and that still doesn't cover it all.  Taxpayers are now a slave class to the looters.
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2023, 03:59:23 pm »
That was in 2012.  To be fair, the 2012 Romney candidate was substantially further to the Conservative side than the 2016 Trump candidate.  But I digress.


That number now exceeds 50%.  We are past the point of no return.  Every single dollar paid in federal income taxes goes to a direct cash payment to another individual, and that still doesn't cover it all.  Taxpayers are now a slave class to the looters.

Reads a lot like an Ayn Rand novel doesn't it?
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2023, 04:14:07 pm »
Reads a lot like an Ayn Rand novel doesn't it?

This cartoon appeared in the Chicago Tribune in 1934:



That's Leon Trotsky in the lower left.
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2023, 05:51:28 pm »
Maybe one of the few times that Mittens the RINO was sadly right,
was when he was caught on hot mic saying that
47% of Americans were Government dependent.

A significant significant significant majority of that 47% are locked in,
as those 47% vote in fear of losing government help.
Now add a bludgeoning explosion of new migrant voters?

That's a huge mountain for the GOP to climb ever..... 
as far as ever winning the overall popular vote.


A large share of that 47% are elderly people on Social Security,
who DO vote conservative,
because they see the Democrats' stupidity and malice.

They're not afraid that their benefits might be cut.
They're confident that it will be OTHER people's benefits that would be cut.

They DO fear that the ongoing fiscal irresponsibility
will cause a complete collapse of the country,
which would eliminate EVERYONE's benefits!
And cause other problems that are many times worse
than just losing their benefits!

And they're also horrified at the cultural insanity
that the Democrats are ramming down our throats.

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2023, 06:00:15 pm »
When was the last time "we" won the popular vote? 2004?

We're outnumbered.

When was the last time the GOP stood for anything?
When was the last time the GOP backed their candidates?
When was the last time the GOP did anything other than whine?
Gotta make folks want you if you want to win..

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2023, 06:17:22 pm »
Bush '43 was a Big Government Liberal RINO who led us into two nation-building foreign adventures.

McCain was a RINO.  He flip-flopped on illegal immigration.

Romney is a RINO.  He flip-flopped on his own healthcare plan and called 47% of Americans bums.  I question if he he even has a soul.  What kind of man puts the family dog on the roof of the car?

Trump came loaded for bear to kick-ass and take names.

Best shot for a victorious GOP Presidential run is a state governor for President and a House Rep for vice-president.

May be Senator(s) for cabinet positions.

A President from outside the Swamp needs some insiders to grease the skids.

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2023, 06:21:02 pm »
The dims are kicking their asses on so many fronts, and this unorganized, uninspired lot are embarrassing everyone right of center.

Liberalism does not win on merit - It has no merit.
It wins because it has no opposition.

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2023, 06:26:03 pm »
When was the last time "we" won the popular vote? 2004?

We're outnumbered.

No... That assumes a fixed pie...
Which is somewhat true - There are a finite number of votes available...
But the largest number of votes available are always the disaffected - not the rank and file democrats, republicans, and independents.

It's a matter of ringing the bell with enough truth and intention for those disaffected to hear you and take the time to register and vote.

Authentic Conservatism does that.

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2023, 06:29:30 pm »
Yeah, and I know why #7....   Addressing the entitement junkie slugs who are addicted to the left hind teat of the Fedzilla Sow.  That is the toughest one to address.  And may not have a solution, without some kind of revolutionary change in how our government does business.

That is a problem that will fix itself... Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2023, 06:31:00 pm »
When was the last time the GOP stood for anything?
When was the last time the GOP backed their candidates?
When was the last time the GOP did anything other than whine?
Gotta make folks want you if you want to win..

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2023, 09:03:25 pm »
That is a problem that will fix itself... Sooner or later you run out of other people's money.

Yeah but it fixes itself in a Zimbawean way.

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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2023, 09:06:48 pm »
No... That assumes a fixed pie...
Which is somewhat true - There are a finite number of votes available...
But the largest number of votes available are always the disaffected - not the rank and file democrats, republicans, and independents.

It's a matter of ringing the bell with enough truth and intention for those disaffected to hear you and take the time to register and vote.

Authentic Conservatism does that.
A finite number, limited by the Democrats' ability to print them out fast enough...
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Re: Can Republicans Still Win National Elections?
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2023, 09:19:02 pm »
Yeah but it fixes itself in a Zimbawean way.

Be optimistic... It could merely be Venezuelan.  :whistle:

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2023, 09:33:20 pm »
A finite number, limited by the Democrats' ability to print them out fast enough...

True enough... but it does them no good but in a few states - any one-or-two of which would be enough to reform.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2023, 11:47:04 pm »
Catfish wraps it up with:
"I have to agree with the Op-ed.  The dims are kicking their asses on so many fronts, and this unorganized, uninspired lot are embarrassing everyone right of center."

What a remarkable reversal of fortune for both parties over the last six months, eh...?

Some thoughts...
You don't hear the dem-communists complaining about the Electoral College any more, do you?

Good reason for that.
With the emergence of the "underground election apparatus" (along with above-ground apparatus, as well), The Party is edging toward the ability to "control" the Electoral College in their favor, every time.

The deep-blue states belong to The Party by default. They are stock full of willing blue voters, who will give them victories until the Sun burns out.

That leaves about 6-8 purple "swing states". These are the north/central states that gave Mr. Trump a victory in 2016. But The Party got "the apparatus" up-and-running by 2020, and established control of [most of] the elections in those states.

They have a good opportunity to retain control from now on, as change can never come to those states so long as The Party holds sway over the state legislatures.

Without those states, the Republicans can't win a presidential election again.
And... probably won't.