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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2022, 03:52:59 pm »
I've never been involved in a criminal case, but suspect this is highly unusual.  :whistle:
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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2022, 04:12:08 pm »
That's nuts.

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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2022, 07:17:36 pm »
Even stranger:

Denying the defendant access to information that might aid in his defense? Prosecution and defense counsel to "work together"? Sounds like the fix is in.
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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2022, 07:22:48 pm »
Even stranger:

Denying the defendant access to information that might aid in his defense? Prosecution and defense counsel to "work together"? Sounds like the fix is in.

I don't see anything that denies the defendant access to information for his defense.  Also, assuming arguendo that the protection of the "Protected Information" is legitimate, it's not unwarranted for defense and prosecution to "work together" to keep that information protected.

The bigger question, to me, is why is all this secrecy necessary, and is there something in this "Protected Information" that is relevant to the defendant's defense?

For example, does the "Protected Information" include bank account information that would show that Paul Pelosi had a habit of hiring male prostitutes?  Would knowledge of that information lead to anything that might assist the defendant - which can include information used to impeach a witnesses credibility, without the information being directly relevant to innocence or guilt.

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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2022, 07:25:32 pm »
Even stranger:

Denying the defendant access to information that might aid in his defense? Prosecution and defense counsel to "work together"? Sounds like the fix is in.

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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2022, 07:25:41 pm »
I don't see anything that denies the defendant access to information for his defense.
It doesn't deny his attorney's access to certain materials, just DePape himself. Apparently, he can't be trusted with "unsupervised access to any discovery material ... that contains Protected Information."

Why do they capitalize protected information, anyway?
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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2022, 07:32:08 pm »
It doesn't deny his attorney's access to certain materials, just DePape himself. Apparently, he can't be trusted with "unsupervised access to any discovery material ... that contains Protected Information."

Why do they capitalize protected information, anyway?

Unless the Protected Information has been redacted.

There are certainly legitimate purposes for protecting certain types of information in certain types of cases - for example, witnesses to a gang-related shooting should have some protection for their home addresses and their families.

That being said, I do wonder just exactly what information is falling under the rubric of "Protected Information" here.

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Re: Very strict protective order recently filed in Paul Pelosi's case
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2022, 08:52:45 pm »
Is Nancy beating him again now that she has all that free time on her hands and doesn't even have to pretend to be sober?
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