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[sneakypete]

Who is this political bomb throwing outsider you speak of?

@Kamaji

The guy you all hate and are jealous of.

He "played the game" he had to play back when he was a private citizen in order to make money.

Now he is old and looking at how the history books will remember him,and his ego is driving him to try to clear up the mess and try to save America.

NOTHING is as important to him as how he is written about in the history books. And why would it be,when he already has everything else?

[catfish1957]

You could, but you'd be wrong, because I take positions that are counter to them on other issues where I have considered the issue and come to my own conclusions.

Unfortunately for you, the Orc aggression in Ukraine is a single issue that is rather binary - there are no shades of grey - either you support Ukraine's right to self-defense, or you do not, in which case you are forced to accept the conclusion that the Russian Orc's military invasion is acceptable.

That's why the implication necessarily arises in that single-issue territory when it doesn't arise simply because, on one issue, my position happens to be consonant with the positions of my ideological opponents.

For me, that's the benefit of thinking the issues through on my own, and not simply reducing myself to a knee-jerk pavlovian response of "If Soros likes it, I hate it" - which only gives Soros control over your thinking.

So, enjoy letting Soros control your thoughts and actions rent-free.

Keep supporting the $100B, then $200B?  then.?????? to Zellinskyyyyyyyyyy's coffers  that could be so more aptly used to help OH residents, protecting the borders, stopping Fentanyl instead.   

And just why aren't the likes of Germany, U.K., France, and Italy footing at east an equitable bill of this fight?  You still haven't answered that question from months ago.

I know you will cry this a Ukraine thread, and this response is off topic, but that is your MOA.

And Soros?  That is a gas lit joke huh?  You realize Soro's involvment in this shit don't you?   

[catfish1957]

@Kamaji

The guy you all hate and are jealous of.

He "played the game" he had to play back when he was a private citizen in order to make money.

Now he is old and looking at how the history books will remember him,and his ego is driving him to try to clear up the mess and try to save America.

NOTHING is as important to him as how he is written about in the history books. And why would it be,when he already has everything else?

That is one thing I did like about DJT.  He knew the U.S. was not suited to be the Global World Police.  Kudos for that.

[GtHawk]

Whether or not you like him or hate him, we can all agree that he is a very strange person.

Good old Stevie from Buena Park, Ca who changes his history and background as much as his movie characters.

[GtHawk]

And yet his mind still pulls into every siding along the way.

[Kamaji]

@Kamaji

The guy you all hate and are jealous of.

He "played the game" he had to play back when he was a private citizen in order to make money.

Now he is old and looking at how the history books will remember him,and his ego is driving him to try to clear up the mess and try to save America.

NOTHING is as important to him as how he is written about in the history books. And why would it be,when he already has everything else?

[Cyber Liberty]

When are the Toons coming back?

[Kamaji]

When are the Toons coming back?

@Cyber Liberty

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[roamer_1]

Unfortunately for you, the Orc aggression in Ukraine is a single issue that is rather binary - there are no shades of grey - either you support Ukraine's right to self-defense, or you do not, in which case you are forced to accept the conclusion that the Russian Orc's military invasion is acceptable.

Actually there is a third conclusion. I have no problem with Ukraine defending itself. I heartily support their right to self defense. I also have no problem at all selling them arms with that in mind.

Beyond that, it is none of our business. We have no business being there, and it ain't our job. PERIOD.

[Kamaji]

Actually there is a third conclusion. I have no problem with Ukraine defending itself. I heartily support their right to self defense. I also have no problem at all selling them arms with that in mind.

Beyond that, it is none of our business. We have no business being there, and it ain't our job. PERIOD.

Not true at all.  We agreed to provide Ukraine with protection against invasion in exchange for it giving up its nuclear weapons.  We have an obligation we freely undertook, and we should honor it - unless, of course, American honor no longer means anything.

Furthermore, Ukraine is not the only thing Putin wants.  If we back down in the face of his aggression against Ukraine, then we will sooner rather than later be faced with Russian aggression against a NATO member, and then it won't just be treasure we expend, but blood as well.  Or not, if America and Americans no longer have any honor and choose to welch on their obligations to fellow NATO members as well.

[roamer_1]

Not true at all.  We agreed to provide Ukraine with protection against invasion in exchange for it giving up its nuclear weapons.  We have an obligation we freely undertook, and we should honor it - unless, of course, American honor no longer means anything.

By treaty? I don't recall that.

Furthermore, Ukraine is not the only thing Putin wants.  If we back down in the face of his aggression against Ukraine, then we will sooner rather than later be faced with Russian aggression against a NATO member, and then it won't just be treasure we expend, but blood as well.  Or not, if America and Americans no longer have any honor and choose to welch on their obligations to fellow NATO members as well.

No, if it is NATO, that is different. And Putin ain't that stupid.

[Kamaji]

By treaty? I don't recall that.

No, if it is NATO, that is different. And Putin ain't that stupid.

Ahh, so American honor is only at stake when it's a treaty, not when it's, say, the Budapest Memorandum, in which, for what they thought was valuable consideration, Ukraine gave up its nukes, in which case the U.S. is entitled to act just like any other craven coward and lie through its teeth to get something from other people, with complete freedom to turn its back on those people later on, when it's convenient.

Got it.  Apparently American honor sells rather cheaply these days, regardless of whether one calls one's self a conservative or not.

As for Putin being stupid - (a) he is stupid, witness the stupidity of believing he could swoop in and take Ukraine in a three-day blitzkreig, and (b) if the U.S. demonstrates that it is weak and will not stand up for its obligations, he will start whittling away at the small Baltic states.  And then we will get a litany of "well, Latvia is only 1.8 million people; what business is it of ours if Russia wants to take them over; and after all, there is a strong contingent that has been agitating to leave NATO and rejoin Russia, so what business is it of ours?"

Pieces of paper, guaranteeing "peace in our time"!  If only we sacrifice _____________ to the Russian Orc.

[Smokin Joe]

Bullshit....

You know better.

You don't align with your ideologicial politial enemies.

I'm not aligned with them.

I support the people of Ukraine ousting the Russians, because the Russians invaded them.

All those in the meme support a fine opportunity to loot whatever aid is sent to Ukraine (or support the looters). They don't give s rabid rat's ass about the Ukrainians.

That isn't alignment.

[roamer_1]

Ahh, so American honor is only at stake when it's a treaty, not when it's, say, the Budapest Memorandum, in which, for what they thought was valuable consideration, Ukraine gave up its nukes, in which case the U.S. is entitled to act just like any other craven coward and lie through its teeth to get something from other people, with complete freedom to turn its back on those people later on, when it's convenient.

Got it.  Apparently American honor sells rather cheaply these days, regardless of whether one calls one's self a conservative or not.

As for Putin being stupid - (a) he is stupid, witness the stupidity of believing he could swoop in and take Ukraine in a three-day blitzkreig, and (b) if the U.S. demonstrates that it is weak and will not stand up for its obligations, he will start whittling away at the small Baltic states.  And then we will get a litany of "well, Latvia is only 1.8 million people; what business is it of ours if Russia wants to take them over; and after all, there is a strong contingent that has been agitating to leave NATO and rejoin Russia, so what business is it of ours?"

Pieces of paper, guaranteeing "peace in our time"!  If only we sacrifice _____________ to the Russian Orc.

Yeah, well the only rubber on the road is by treaty, so...
THAT is our only obligation. By Congress, not by the State Department.

That State didn't get it resolved to a treaty is not my problem. Our obligation to other nations is only allowed by treaty by Congress, according to the Constitution. If you can't show me that, then I will remain at my current position: None of our business. Foreign entanglements. We ain't the world cop.

[DB]

Actually there is a third conclusion. I have no problem with Ukraine defending itself. I heartily support their right to self defense. I also have no problem at all selling them arms with that in mind.

Beyond that, it is none of our business. We have no business being there, and it ain't our job. PERIOD.

So you said the same thing when Germany and Japen were rolling through various countries when we shipped massive amounts of arms without being paid for them to England and others that were fighting against them? The outcome from that was bad enough and would have been far worse had we not done that.

Soviet Union v2 is well worth avoiding. The world is getting smaller daily and you can't hide from the rest of it.

[roamer_1]

So you said the same thing when Germany and Japen were rolling through various countries when we shipped massive amounts of arms without being paid for them to England and others that were fighting against them? The outcome from that was bad enough and would have been far worse had we not done that.

Soviet Union v2 is well worth avoiding. The world is getting smaller daily and you can't hide from the rest of it.

Our relationship with England nearly transcends all others.So virtually anything we do with them is justified.

It does not change the fact that we need to mind our own damn business and stop trying to police the world. It ain't our job.

[DB]

Our relationship with England nearly transcends all others.So virtually anything we do with them is justified.

It does not change the fact that we need to mind our own damn business and stop trying to police the world. It ain't our job.

The whole point of NATO is to contain Russian aggression for the last 70+ years. Were does Russian aggression/expansion end if not here? Ignoring that is the path to far greater death and destruction. You can't hide from it indefinitely.

[Kamaji]

Yeah, well the only rubber on the road is by treaty, so...
THAT is our only obligation. By Congress, not by the State Department.

That State didn't get it resolved to a treaty is not my problem. Our obligation to other nations is only allowed by treaty by Congress, according to the Constitution. If you can't show me that, then I will remain at my current position: None of our business. Foreign entanglements. We ain't the world cop.

Nonsense.  An administrative agreement is just as much about the U.S. putting its honor on the line.  I am, quite frankly, rather shocked at how cheap American honor turns out to be around this place.

[roamer_1]

The whole point of NATO is to contain Russian aggression for the last 70+ years. Were does Russian aggression/expansion end if not here? Ignoring that is the path to far greater death and destruction. You can't hide from it indefinitely.

NATO is NATO. Ukraine is not NATO. How is that difficult to understand?
And I am not such a fan of NATO either, for that matter. Nato is largely America and England paying the defense bill for Europe... Without many thanks.

Leave Europe to its own defenses, and I will bet their forays into Marxism and liberalism end immediately. Their entertaining of socialism is directly proportional to their excess funds due to the US and England picking up their defense tab... So meh. BUT there is a treaty in place with NATO... and until that is dissolved, that obligation remains.