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[catfish1957]

There is only one way to fix this @sneakypete and that is to get ALL other parties from between the consumer and the provider. Only then will we see things change for the better.

I am older but back when we were say 25....  Our health care costs were zero.  My company provided medical, dental, vision, pharma free of charge

Fastforward to now, those costs are $12K a year just in insurance costs alone.

Would love to know how health care costs have aligned with the CPI over the years, but I am afraid to look.

[Bigun]

That's right... knock out public and private insurance and watch the costs plummet.

Insurance that reimburses consumers directly is fine. Insurance that removes the consumer from the equation is not.

[Smokin Joe]

You have Obamacare to thank for that result as it was one of the intended 'improvements' to drive out older physicians and smaller clinics that could not adapt to or afford the new electronic requirements.

HIPPA was one round in that fight. Doctors had to hire more people to take care of the paperwork. Medical coding for insurance was another round. The ACA added yet another layer.

It's like HSE has become for small contractors, with requirements that are easier met by an outfit fielding a couple hundred employees than a mom-and-pop family type operation.

[roamer_1]

Insurance that reimburses consumers directly is fine. Insurance that removes the consumer from the equation is not.

I disagree, but mildly... Reimbursement still means the consumer doesn't have to pay the bill in the eventuality. So the consumer will swallow the costs with relative ease because he knows he really ain't paying it.

If it is YOUR bill, and you get charged 140 bucks for 4 pieces of tupperware in a kit you didn't even use... Well, let's just say you become more interested in the line items.

[roamer_1]

HIPPA was one round in that fight. Doctors had to hire more people to take care of the paperwork. Medical coding for insurance was another round. The ACA added yet another layer.

It's like HSE has become for small contractors, with requirements that are easier met by an outfit fielding a couple hundred employees than a mom-and-pop family type operation.

That's right... levels and levels of bureaucracy that exist to serve bureaucracy... And all of it doubling and redoubling cost.

[Bigun]

I disagree, but mildly... Reimbursement still means the consumer doesn't have to pay the bill in the eventuality. So the consumer will swallow the costs with relative ease because he knows he really ain't paying it.

If it is YOUR bill, and you get charged 140 bucks for 4 pieces of tupperware in a kit you didn't even use... Well, let's just say you become more interested in the line items.

I hear you @roamer_1 but the way things work now the bills consumers see are not even remotely related to what the insurance companies actually pay providers.  They are just propaganda to reinforce the idea that the consumer cannot afford to not have insurance.

[roamer_1]

I hear you @roamer_1 but the way things work now the bills consumers see are not even remotely related to what the insurance companies actually pay providers.  They are just propaganda to reinforce the idea that the consumer cannot afford to not have insurance.

That's right @Bigun ... And that's why I avoid modern med like a plague (covid pun intended). They are great for chopping stuff off, and bolting stuff back on, but if you have any sort of long term disability, in my experience, they suck at medicine.

I was on my death bed, doing 20 pills 3x a day for a couple years with no real end in sight... There was a direct miracle involved (praise Yah), but I started getting better when I quit pharma and went to food as med, and native/hillbilly med.'

So now I have a pavlovian aversion to modern med. I hate walking in. The smell of the antiseptic they use in them places jacks my pulse by 20 points. I don't trust em at all.

[Bigun]

That's right @Bigun ... And that's why I avoid modern med like a plague (covid pun intended). They are great for chopping stuff off, and bolting stuff back on, but if you have any sort of long term disability, in my experience, they suck at medicine.

I was on my death bed, doing 20 pills 3x a day for a couple years with no real end in sight... There was a direct miracle involved (praise Yah), but I started getting better when I quit pharma and went to food as med, and native/hillbilly med.'

So now I have a pavlovian aversion to modern med. I hate walking in. The smell of the antiseptic they use in them places jacks my pulse by 20 points. I don't trust em at all.

Bottom line; You cannot have individual liberty without individual responsibility!

The two are inextricably linked and that applies to everything. Not just medicine.

[roamer_1]

Bottom line; You cannot have individual liberty without individual responsibility!

The two are inextricably linked and that applies to everything. Not just medicine.

@Bigun

That's right!   

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[Bigun]

 

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This ain't his first rodeo.

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[sneakypete]

The more regulated healthcare becomes, the fewer small doctor's offices can comply with it all and still stay in business.

It is the natural result of Obamacare.

That's what government regulation does. It pushes the little guy out. The same goes for farming and ranching.

@DBlack15NC
Which is WHY the gooberment does it. They want TOTAL control over every aspect of our lives.

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[GtHawk]

HIPPA was one round in that fight. Doctors had to hire more people to take care of the paperwork. Medical coding for insurance was another round. The ACA added yet another layer.

It's like HSE has become for small contractors, with requirements that are easier met by an outfit fielding a couple hundred employees than a mom-and-pop family type operation.

Well there has always been coding in medical, my wife has been an insurance biller for over thirty years, what O'buttbanger, Brandon and the Queen of Farts pushed in with their monstrosity was a greatly expanded and I believe international level of coding. And when you affect the coding numbers and categories to that degree it creates great confusion when previous codes no longer apply so that claims can be denied and the government can hold on to a doctor/practitioners fee for an extended period of time. This too pushed doctors out of medical practices.

[Kamaji]