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« Reply #658 on: January 05, 2023, 03:54:16 pm »

Frankly, I think you will find most currently employed doctors are keeping their pie holes shut, no matter what they believe, and not contradicting the narrative--those who haven't already lost admission privileges for saying something against the narrative, anyway. Whether or not rules like these are in place,we live in an age where a comment made years ago can and will be used against you.
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« Reply #659 on: January 05, 2023, 03:56:42 pm »
Pretty brave wearing this in public  :laugh:
Maybe where you live. Here, it would get a lot of positive feeback!
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« Reply #660 on: January 05, 2023, 04:01:12 pm »
Frankly, I think you will find most currently employed doctors are keeping their pie holes shut, no matter what they believe, and not contradicting the narrative--those who haven't already lost admission privileges for saying something against the narrative, anyway. Whether or not rules like these are in place,we live in an age where a comment made years ago can and will be used against you.

To that point, locally here, most of the medical facilities are owned by the hospital - To include the private medical offices - More than less, the doctors ALL work for the hospital. There's but a handful of private practitioners that have privileges but remain autonomous. And I mean a handful. Five, maybe. All the rest have sold out to the medical borg.

So what hospital corp admin says, pretty much goes, or any who have capitulated that try to rise up will lose everything. Not just privileges, but office space, administrative employees, their entire infrastructure.

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« Reply #661 on: January 05, 2023, 04:38:29 pm »
To that point, locally here, most of the medical facilities are owned by the hospital - To include the private medical offices - More than less, the doctors ALL work for the hospital. There's but a handful of private practitioners that have privileges but remain autonomous. And I mean a handful. Five, maybe. All the rest have sold out to the medical borg.

So what hospital corp admin says, pretty much goes, or any who have capitulated that try to rise up will lose everything. Not just privileges, but office space, administrative employees, their entire infrastructure.

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Back 30 years ago,when this area had maybe 1/3 of the population it has today,there were 3 private medical practices in this county.

Today there are none. There were two as recently as a year ago. One was owned and operated by the son of a farm family with money,and the other was operated by the daughter of a family I know very well.

In the first case,the farm boy with money came down with cancer and had to close his clinic,and in the second case the female doctor had to go work in a hospital over 1,000 miles away at first,but is now working at a hospital only 60 miles or so away. She had to close her doors due to two situations beyond her control. The first was after putting thousands of dollars and who knows how many hours into refurbushing an old farmhouse and turning it into
a medical clinic,the owners decided to sell it and gave her 30 days to come up with the money to buy it.

Unfortunately,she had a lot of patients on her books that had never paid her,and was still waiting for medicare/medicaid to come up with the payments they owed her,so she had to shut her doors. The hospital she is now working in is in another state,so her medical license is now good for that state,not this one.

It is one thing,and not an easy or cheap thing,to get a medical degree and license. It is an entirely different and more difficult monster to come up with the money to own and operate an independent medical clinic.

"Family Doctors" are now a thing of the past. It is all about Medical Borgs now. Medical care distributed by a board of directors who for the most part are not even doctors,and who only care about profits.

I am sure there are exceptions to this even today,but I am not aware of any of them.
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« Reply #662 on: January 05, 2023, 04:43:25 pm »
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Back 30 years ago,when this area had maybe 1/3 of the population it has today,there were 3 private medical practices in this county.

Today there are none. There were two as recently as a year ago. One was owned and operated by the son of a farm family with money,and the other was operated by the daughter of a family I know very well.



That is a national crisis, that has gone terribly underreported by the media.

And its not just your area....  It's everywhere in this country.  The cabal of AMA/Insurance/Big Pharma hasn't had the patients best interests at heart for many years.

It's also why I moslty stay at the places I own that are near large metroplitan areas.   I don't want to be 90 miles away from a decent hospital if I have a Heart Attack or Stroke.
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« Reply #663 on: January 05, 2023, 04:48:34 pm »
It is one thing,and not an easy or cheap thing,to get a medical degree and license. It is an entirely different and more difficult monster to come up with the money to own and operate an independent medical clinic.

"Family Doctors" are now a thing of the past. It is all about Medical Borgs now. Medical care distributed by a board of directors who for the most part are not even doctors,and who only care about profits.

I am sure there are exceptions to this even today,but I am not aware of any of them.

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That whole scenario comes from taking the hospitals away from the churches and giving them to business. Now it is not charitable. It's about making money.

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That is a national crisis, that has gone terribly underreported by the media.

And its not just your area....  It's everywhere in this country.  The cabal of AMA/Insurance/Big Pharma hasn't had the patients best interests at heart for many years.

It's also why I moslty stay at the places I own that are near large metroplitan areas.   I don't want to be 90 miles away from a decent hospital if I have a Heart Attack or Stroke.

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Sad,but too true.

No words ever spoken are more true than "Money buys power",and the people who own and control medical corporations are some of the wealthiest people around. The end result is in many cases we have accountants controlling what medical care we receive,not doctors.

If you have some sort of solution that will change this,I am all ears.
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« Reply #665 on: January 05, 2023, 04:55:25 pm »
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That whole scenario comes from taking the hospitals away from the churches and giving them to business. Now it is not charitable. It's about making money.

I might be the most fervent capitalist on this site, but I also see that it is a critical  institution that is so focused  on P/L centers, that it takes an essential product out of reach for such a large population?

Health Care might be one of those industries that needs to relook at its business model in manner that both focuses on profit and patient care.  LIke in your case....   How far are you away from a decent hospital?  Maybe you aren't old enough, but it sure impacts my whereabouts.
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The more regulated healthcare becomes, the fewer small doctor's offices can comply with it all and still stay in business.

It is the natural result of Obamacare.

That's what government regulation does. It pushes the little guy out. The same goes for farming and ranching.

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The more regulated healthcare becomes, the fewer small doctor's offices can comply with it all and still stay in business.

It is the natural result of Obamacare.

That's what government regulation does. It pushes the little guy out. The same goes for farming and ranching.

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« Reply #668 on: January 05, 2023, 05:02:29 pm »
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If you have some sort of solution that will change this,I am all ears.

(1) I hate governmental intervention.  I want to keep it to a minimum. 

(2) Highly publicize the crisis, and get stockholders to vote their proxy, and start voting out CEOs and Board Members who put the $ ahead overwhelming over their captive customers. (patients)

(3) Stop the Climate Change Scam, and start funneling that endowment money toward construction of hospitals, clinics, and pay pools to retain health care professionals in those areas.

Not a total solution, but it woud be a start.
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The more regulated healthcare becomes, the fewer small doctor's offices can comply with it all and still stay in business.

It is the natural result of Obamacare.

That's what government regulation does. It pushes the little guy out. The same goes for farming and ranching.

No disagreement, but any talk of Obamacare repeal has no chance of ever passing.  It's like medicaid.  It's here to stay
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I might be the most fervent capitalist on this site, but I also see that it is a critical  institution that is so focused  on P/L centers, that it takes an essential product out of reach for such a large population?


My economic credz are incidental, and mostly from the school of hard knocks... But I know enough to know that when a segment of the economy is no longer following the laws of supply and demand, you'd better start looking for the props and start knocking them out. Health care is the only segment of our economy where cash on the barrelhead will not get you a better deal. That ought to tell you something.

The only way one can 'afford' it is to participate in some sort of insurance scheme - which as luck would have it, the insurance companies largely own the health care conglomerates that own your hospital, that owns your doctor's offices.

And that ought to tell you plenty.

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Health Care might be one of those industries that needs to relook at its business model in manner that both focuses on profit and patient care.  LIke in your case....   How far are you away from a decent hospital?  Maybe you aren't old enough, but it sure impacts my whereabouts.

I am 60, but I generally eschew modern med... I go first to my Cheyenne medicine man, or a handful of hilljillies that know their way around natural and herbal meds, and otherwise use food as medicine theories... And I do fine for most things.

As it turns out though, where I live is known for its beauty, and many super rich tend to retire here... so there is a world class hospital right up the road.

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@roamer_1

Back 30 years ago,when this area had maybe 1/3 of the population it has today,there were 3 private medical practices in this county.

Today there are none. There were two as recently as a year ago. One was owned and operated by the son of a farm family with money,and the other was operated by the daughter of a family I know very well.

In the first case,the farm boy with money came down with cancer and had to close his clinic,and in the second case the female doctor had to go work in a hospital over 1,000 miles away at first,but is now working at a hospital only 60 miles or so away. She had to close her doors due to two situations beyond her control. The first was after putting thousands of dollars and who knows how many hours into refurbushing an old farmhouse and turning it into
a medical clinic,the owners decided to sell it and gave her 30 days to come up with the money to buy it.

Unfortunately,she had a lot of patients on her books that had never paid her,and was still waiting for medicare/medicaid to come up with the payments they owed her,so she had to shut her doors. The hospital she is now working in is in another state,so her medical license is now good for that state,not this one.

It is one thing,and not an easy or cheap thing,to get a medical degree and license. It is an entirely different and more difficult monster to come up with the money to own and operate an independent medical clinic.

"Family Doctors" are now a thing of the past. It is all about Medical Borgs now. Medical care distributed by a board of directors who for the most part are not even doctors,and who only care about profits.

I am sure there are exceptions to this even today,but I am not aware of any of them.
Critical to being able to be in private practice as a GP is being able to 'refer' patient to specialists for everything from tests to surgery or inpatient care. If those privileges are pulled, your practice is DOA.

That's where the Hospitals, no longer local, here but part of conglomerates that include multiple hospitals across one or more states, have the stroke to silence those who dissent. If the head office bought into the FDA/CDC/NIAID dong and dance, keeping quiet, if not swearing fealty to the lies is all that will keep the doors open for even seemingly private practices.
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« Reply #672 on: January 05, 2023, 05:09:27 pm »
@catfish1957

Sad,but too true.

No words ever spoken are more true than "Money buys power",and the people who own and control medical corporations are some of the wealthiest people around. The end result is in many cases we have accountants controlling what medical care we receive,not doctors.

If you have some sort of solution that will change this, I am all ears.



There is only one way to fix this @sneakypete and that is to get ALL other parties from between the consumer and the provider. Only then will we see things change for the better.
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There is only one way to fix this @sneakypete and that is to get ALL other parties from between the consumer and the provider. Only then will we see things change for the better.

That's right... knock out public and private insurance and watch the costs plummet.

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« Reply #674 on: January 05, 2023, 05:12:33 pm »
@roamer_1

Back 30 years ago,when this area had maybe 1/3 of the population it has today,there were 3 private medical practices in this county.

Today there are none. There were two as recently as a year ago. One was owned and operated by the son of a farm family with money,and the other was operated by the daughter of a family I know very well.

In the first case,the farm boy with money came down with cancer and had to close his clinic,and in the second case the female doctor had to go work in a hospital over 1,000 miles away at first,but is now working at a hospital only 60 miles or so away. She had to close her doors due to two situations beyond her control. The first was after putting thousands of dollars and who knows how many hours into refurbushing an old farmhouse and turning it into
a medical clinic,the owners decided to sell it and gave her 30 days to come up with the money to buy it.

Unfortunately,she had a lot of patients on her books that had never paid her,and was still waiting for medicare/medicaid to come up with the payments they owed her,so she had to shut her doors. The hospital she is now working in is in another state,so her medical license is now good for that state,not this one.

It is one thing,and not an easy or cheap thing,to get a medical degree and license. It is an entirely different and more difficult monster to come up with the money to own and operate an independent medical clinic.

"Family Doctors" are now a thing of the past. It is all about Medical Borgs now. Medical care distributed by a board of directors who for the most part are not even doctors,and who only care about profits.

I am sure there are exceptions to this even today,but I am not aware of any of them.
You have Obamacare to thank for that result as it was one of the intended 'improvements' to drive out older physicians and smaller clinics that could not adapt to or afford the new electronic requirements.