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China’s Chip Industry Is Doomed
« on: September 20, 2022, 11:21:47 am »
Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 9/20/2022

This is a story that’s been bubbling on for a while, but it looks like the U.S. government is about to slam down export restrictions on chipmaking equipment.

    The administration of US President Joe Biden next month is to broaden curbs on US exports to China of semiconductors used for artificial intelligence and chipmaking tools, several people familiar with the matter said.

    The US Department of Commerce intends to publish new regulations based on restrictions communicated in letters earlier this year to three US companies — KLA Corp, Lam Research Corp and Applied Materials Inc, the people said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

Every wafer fabrication plant in the world uses equipment from one of those three companies. Applied Materials and LAM Research (along with Tokyo Electron) have their fingers in almost all areas of chipmaking equipment (PVD, CVD, Etch, etc.), while KLA (formerly KLA-Tencor) dominates the wafer inspection equipment segment. Add ASML in the Netherlands, and those five absolutely dominate the semiconductor equipment market.

    The letters, which the companies publicly acknowledged, forbade them from exporting chipmaking equipment to Chinese factories that produce advanced semiconductors with sub-14 nanometer processes unless the sellers obtain commerce department licenses.

This is where things get tricky. SMIC claims they can do 7nm, but everyone outside China doubts they can do it reliably, repeatably and profitably. SMIC announced they’re about to start manufacturing 14nm, and that they can probably do. Practically, they’re the only semiconductor manufacturer in China that can do sub-14nm, as just about everyone at the top of the next biggest semiconductor manufacturer, Tsinghua Unigroup, just got arrested in July.

There’s even talk that they’re going to ban sales of older chipmaking equipment as well, and that they’re actually zeroing in on FinFET technology specifically.

Without a continued stream of machines, spare parts and technical know-how from those five semiconductor giants, China’s semiconductor industry is doomed. China’s domestic semiconductor equipment industry is essentially garbage, and they’re so far behind in so many areas that they can’t even steal their way to parity. The knowledge gulf is just too vast.

Min-Hua Chiang at the Heritage Foundation notes just how badly China’s domestic semiconductor industry is screwed.

    According to World Trade Organization statistics, China’s trade deficit in integrated circuits and electronic components (including Hong Kong’s trade deficit) has almost doubled from the equivalent of $135 billion in 2010 to $240 billion in 2020.

    The growing trade deficit in integrated circuits reveals one crucial fact: Achieving technological self-reliance is still a faraway Chinese dream. To keep its exports growing, China has no other way but to keep importing advanced chips to assemble into consumer goods with high-tech intensity (e.g., smartphones, tablets, and the like).

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Re: China’s Chip Industry Is Doomed
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2022, 11:24:24 am »
Never happen... Don't bite the hand that feeds you and the socialists know who feeds them

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Re: China’s Chip Industry Is Doomed
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2022, 12:17:20 am »
Never happen... Don't bite the hand that feeds you and the socialists know who feeds them

Even if the USA doesn't cut off China's chipmaking China is about to face such severe internal problems they will collapse.

China is the fastest aging population in the world.

China imports 85% of it's energy needs, most of it from Australia and the middle east.

China's farmland is not productive enough to feed their population.

Manufacturers are pulling out of China and moving to Vietnam, India, Mexico and the USA.

China is dependent on a globalized economic system and the world is moving towards a deglobalized system.
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Re: China’s Chip Industry Is Doomed
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2022, 12:21:22 am »
Rather than fold, I predict that China will at least attempt to take what it needs, militarily.

Now, who makes chips?
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Re: China’s Chip Industry Is Doomed
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2022, 01:43:47 am »
Rather than fold, I predict that China will at least attempt to take what it needs, militarily.

Now, who makes chips?

Taiwan, USA, Japan, South Korea, Vietnam.

If your saying China will take Taiwan the question becomes how?
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