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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #2650 on: May 09, 2023, 05:59:12 pm »

Seriously, how long can the Russian Army or in this case, the Wagner group can keep on going and start to refuse Moscow orders and start a rebellion against Putin.

Good question.

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« Reply #2651 on: May 09, 2023, 06:36:46 pm »
It appears targeting generals and colonels early on has had an effect.
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« Reply #2652 on: May 09, 2023, 07:24:03 pm »

Seriously, how long can the Russian Army or in this case, the Wagner group can keep on going and start to refuse Moscow orders and start a rebellion against Putin.

There is a theory that Putin is sending potential "troublemakers" (i.e., people who might lead or fight in a revolt against him) to the front in Ukraine to die for the glory of Greater Russia.
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« Reply #2653 on: May 09, 2023, 07:36:19 pm »
It appears targeting generals and colonels early on has had an effect.

That's a very good point.  Those guys dropping like flies also was a great indicator of the lack of a professional NCO corps, and overall thinness of their officer corps.  When generals and full colonels have to be at the tip of the spear to keep things moving, you have a real leadership void in the lower ranks.

The Russian army was very top-heavy not in the sense of rank, but in the sense of the ratio of professional soldiers to the number of one-year conscripts.  When they lost so many of their elite troops in the first year, and basically replaced them with draftees, the performance of units dropped dramatically.  And they - unlike the Ukrainians -- lack any semblance of an NCO corps to enforce standards and pass on knowledge.
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« Reply #2654 on: May 09, 2023, 10:19:58 pm »
Reuters - 1.2 billion more to Ukraine

A Billion here, a Billion there ... what the hell? Why not another Billion for Ukraine?
We don't need it here at home. And we have plenty of money to spare.
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« Reply #2655 on: May 09, 2023, 10:39:45 pm »
Reuters - 1.2 billion more to Ukraine

A Billion here, a Billion there ... what the hell? Why not another Billion for Ukraine?
We don't need it here at home. And we have plenty of money to spare.



I just read that we are sending quite a few bucks to the Palis for DEI. Given the choice of allocation...
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« Reply #2656 on: May 10, 2023, 01:00:20 am »
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« Reply #2657 on: May 10, 2023, 12:30:44 pm »
From 'Victory Day'... to running away! Footage shows humiliating Russian retreat in Bakhmut after Putin was forced to scale back annual military parade due to his army's devastating losses

Russian forces were overwhelmed by Ukraine's 3rd Assault Brigade, reports said
Footage showed them fleeing across an open field as Kyiv's troops advanced

By CHRIS JEWERS and WILL STEWART

PUBLISHED: 03:46 EDT, 10 May 2023

Russian forces made a humiliating retreat on Tuesday in the battle for Bakhmut, according to dramatic footage, on the same day Putin was forced to scale back his annual military parade due to his army's devastating losses.

The video appears to confirm reports that Vladimir Putin's regular forces 'turned and ran', with Ukraine claiming it is gaining ground around the fiercely contested city after months of incremental Russian advances.

Footage shows Russian forces fleeing the frontline around the eastern city after being overwhelmed by Ukraine's 3rd Assault Brigade.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12066903/Footage-shows-humiliating-Russian-retreat-Bakhmut.html

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« Reply #2658 on: May 10, 2023, 12:48:47 pm »
Reuters - 1.2 billion more to Ukraine

A Billion here, a Billion there ... what the hell? Why not another Billion for Ukraine?
We don't need it here at home. And we have plenty of money to spare.


Consider this a long-term investment to drain Russia (and China, Iran, NK) of their resources. Yes, it is expensive now, but it will be more expensive and far more difficult to face a strong Russia, especially with its alliance with China.   
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« Reply #2659 on: May 10, 2023, 12:51:13 pm »
From 'Victory Day'... to running away! Footage shows humiliating Russian retreat in Bakhmut after Putin was forced to scale back annual military parade due to his army's devastating losses

Russian forces were overwhelmed by Ukraine's 3rd Assault Brigade, reports said
Footage showed them fleeing across an open field as Kyiv's troops advanced

By CHRIS JEWERS and WILL STEWART

PUBLISHED: 03:46 EDT, 10 May 2023

Russian forces made a humiliating retreat on Tuesday in the battle for Bakhmut, according to dramatic footage, on the same day Putin was forced to scale back his annual military parade due to his army's devastating losses.

The video appears to confirm reports that Vladimir Putin's regular forces 'turned and ran', with Ukraine claiming it is gaining ground around the fiercely contested city after months of incremental Russian advances.

Footage shows Russian forces fleeing the frontline around the eastern city after being overwhelmed by Ukraine's 3rd Assault Brigade.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12066903/Footage-shows-humiliating-Russian-retreat-Bakhmut.html

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No real surprise when you consider the Russian troops don't want to be there to start with,and the Ukranians are fighting to  keep their homeland.

I STILL think this is going to backfire "BIGLY" on the Neo-Soviet leadership. We in the west just aren't hearing much about dissent in Russia because Russia has returned to being a slave state after Putin took over,and they control the discussion.

For the time being,anyhow.
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« Reply #2660 on: May 10, 2023, 02:42:38 pm »
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« Reply #2663 on: May 10, 2023, 11:15:55 pm »
Re the solo T-34 in the Moscow Victory Day parade, Putin probably decided to actually have something actually related to the celebrated event. With his current T-72s, T-80s, T-90s, and maybe his few T-14s off in another country, maybe he thought parading his refurb'ed T-62s and T-55s wasn't a good look.

The noises I'm hearing is that after fighting since August last year to take most of Bakhmut (a smallish town of little strategic value), the invader-orcs have suddenly been pushed back some. It's worth taking such reports with at least a small block of salt, though.
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« Reply #2664 on: May 11, 2023, 02:28:08 am »
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« Reply #2666 on: May 11, 2023, 03:52:41 am »
My fortune teller with the broken flickering crystal ball also predicted exactly that.

Putin would have been better off to have simply canceled the anemic embarrassing so called 'show of strength'.
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« Reply #2667 on: May 11, 2023, 11:43:50 am »
Interesting news this morning from Bakhmut.  Seems that that Ukrainians caught the Russian 72nd Brigade in the middle of a troop rotation, attacked, and routed it, blowing a hole through the southwestern lines, flanking Wagner, and threatening a cutoff at a canal bridgehead.  Might be the start of another Izium-Lyman style skedaddle if what Prigozhin says is true and not panicky hyperbole.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/05/10/world/russia-ukraine-news?smid=url-share#ukrainian-troops-break-through-a-russian-flank-near-bakhmut-officials-say

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Ukrainian military commanders said on Wednesday that their troops had broken through Russian positions on the southern flank of the embattled eastern city of Bakhmut, forcing Russian units back from their positions at an important bridgehead of a canal.

Ukrainian officials and the head of Russia’s Wagner militia group said that Russian troops had lost an area of roughly three square miles southwest of the city. If confirmed, it would be the first significant gain for Ukraine in the fight for Bakhmut since pushing Russian forces off a key access road two months ago, although it was far from clear that Ukrainian forces could hold the ground or that it was a turning point in the monthslong battle.

The fighting around the city did not seem to be part of a broader counteroffensive that Kyiv has said will begin soon, but came amid an uptick in Ukrainian strikes behind Russian lines and reports of increased attacks in Russian regions bordering Ukraine. The Ukrainian operation near Bakhmut hit Russian Army troops as they were rotating into position and was an opportunistic strike on a weak link in the Russian front, Ukrainian military officers said.

Russia’s Defense Ministry has not commented on the reports.

The Ukrainians said they broke through Russian lines in an area of fields, ravines and thickets of trees to the southwest of Bakhmut. Ukrainian commanders said several units — including the Azov soldiers in the 3rd Separate Assault Brigade, a special forces unit; the Adam Tactical Group; and the Ukrainian Volunteer Army, a group that includes civilian volunteers — had carried out the attack.

Andriy Biletsky, a commander of the Ukrainian 3rd Separate Assault Brigade, said in a video statement released in the early hours of Wednesday morning that his troops had seized Russian positions and inflicted heavy losses on Russian troops. Two Russian companies, units typically with about 100 soldiers each, and a reconnaissance team had been “completely destroyed” in the fighting, he said.

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« Reply #2668 on: May 11, 2023, 11:45:34 am »
Interesting news this morning from Bakhmut.  Seems that that Ukrainians caught the Russian 72nd Brigade in the middle of a troop rotation, attacked, and routed it, blowing a hole through the southwestern lines, flanking Wagner, and threatening a cutoff at a canal bridgehead.  Might be the start of another Izium-Lyman style skedaddle if what Prigozhin says is true and not panicky hyperbole.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/05/10/world/russia-ukraine-news?smid=url-share#ukrainian-troops-break-through-a-russian-flank-near-bakhmut-officials-say

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« Reply #2669 on: May 11, 2023, 11:53:16 am »
Wagner boss fumes that Russian brigade 'fled' from Bakhmut area

https://www.kake.com/story/48887053/wagner-boss-fumes-that-russian-brigade-fled-from-bakhmut-area

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Prigozhin said the 72nd brigade "just ran the hell out of there."

Responding to questions from a Russian media outlet, Prigozhin said: "There is a serious risk of encirclement of PMC Wagner in Bakhmut as a result of the failure of the flanks. The flanks are already cracking and falling through."

"At the moment, within the city of Bakhmut, there is only Wagner PMC, there are no other units. Outside Bakhmut [there is] only the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. PMC Wagner is not there," he said.
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« Reply #2670 on: May 11, 2023, 12:20:43 pm »
Very interesting.


Seriously, if I was Prigozhin, I would withdraw his army and go to Moscow and shoot Putin.  I'm pretty sure there are some units in what is left of the Russian Army that would love to do that.


Having said that I'm not sure that Putin is still in Moscow.
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« Reply #2671 on: May 11, 2023, 12:25:58 pm »

Russia's army took just 6.8 square miles of Ukrainian territory in April, less than a 0.02% increase, US think tank says, as military losses mount
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« Reply #2672 on: May 11, 2023, 12:26:53 pm »
My fortune teller with the broken flickering crystal ball also predicted exactly that.

Putin would have been better off to have simply canceled the anemic embarrassing so called 'show of strength'.


Is that for real or is that from the BabylonBee???
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« Reply #2674 on: May 11, 2023, 05:34:10 pm »
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