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Hoodat · « **Reply #2450 on:** April 23, 2023, 01:23:33 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis007 on April 23, 2023, 12:47:16 pm

China’s US ambassador says ‘the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine, must be respected’ and insists Beijing is making ‘real efforts’ for peace in latest show of wavering support for Putin

Substitute the word 'Taiwan' for the word 'Ukraine' in that sentence, and see if China's ambassador agrees.

Kamaji · « **Reply #2451 on:** April 23, 2023, 01:31:22 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 23, 2023, 01:21:59 pm

Translation: Taiwan does not have effective status to exist as a sovereign country.

Exactly.

sneakypete · « **Reply #2452 on:** April 23, 2023, 01:47:43 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis007 on April 23, 2023, 12:47:16 pm

China’s US ambassador says ‘the sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries, including Ukraine, must be respected’ and insists Beijing is making ‘real efforts’ for peace in latest show of wavering support for Putin

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10618781/Chinas-ambassador-insists-Beijing-making-real-efforts-peace.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed_article&ns_mchannel=rss&ico=taboola_feed

@kevindavis007

I think I must have fallen asleep,and awoke in an alternative universe.

Or is this a ploy by the Chinese to get the Russians to open their eastern borders for the Chinese to mine minerals and drill for oil?

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #2453 on:** April 23, 2023, 02:00:59 pm »

Quote from: Hoodat on April 23, 2023, 01:23:33 pm

Substitute the word 'Taiwan' for the word 'Ukraine' in that sentence, and see if China's ambassador agrees.

Say that on Twitter either Wumao's or member of the 50 cent army will come after you.

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #2454 on:** April 23, 2023, 02:02:16 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on April 23, 2023, 01:47:43 pm

@kevindavis007

I think I must have fallen asleep,and awoke in an alternative universe.

Or is this a ploy by the Chinese to get the Russians to open their eastern borders for the Chinese to mine minerals and drill for oil?

@sneakypete

It's a ploy. But I think Russia has no choice, they are literally a vassal state to China now.

sneakypete · « **Reply #2455 on:** April 23, 2023, 02:27:28 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis007 on April 23, 2023, 02:02:16 pm

@sneakypete

It's a ploy. But I think Russia has no choice, they are literally a vassal state to China now.

@kevindavis007

Oh,Russia can not only survive,she can thrive if/when communism dies there. It would be CHINA that would be caught between a rock and a hard place because their ONLY "ally" then would be North Korea,and China has to support NK already.

What can NOT survive without Chinese funding is COMMUNISM in Russia.

Russia needs another revolution. One that results in the current leadership being executed and all their assets seized.

Ironically enough,it is Pooty Poot and his co-conspirators that are making this more likely to happen with every day that passes. They are and have for their entire lives been slaves of the Communist system,so all they know how to do is follow Communist doctrine,and THIS is what is eventually going to lead to their downfall.

Want a taste of REAL irony? I am predicting the US will fall to socialism/communism at about the same time as the Russians give it the boot. Look at what has already happened in the northwest for a preview of upcoming events.

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #2456 on:** April 23, 2023, 03:35:04 pm »

https://twitter.com/Jay83214566/status/1649858595876421632

catfish1957 · « **Reply #2457 on:** April 23, 2023, 03:42:39 pm »

Quote from: kevindavis007 on April 23, 2023, 03:35:04 pm

https://twitter.com/Jay83214566/status/1649858595876421632

Wonder how we will fare under this world alignment...

CCP, Russia, India, OPEC (and all Middle East), Socialist leaning Nations of Africa and Latin, and South America... (BRICS)

vs.

USA, EU (do we include France?), and Pac-Rim, minus NORKS

Klaus, better forget about the NWO, and just hope for just survival.

Kamaji · « **Reply #2458 on:** April 23, 2023, 04:19:09 pm »

Vladimir Putin 'fires top admiral after he refused to send his sailors from his Pacific fleet to fight in Ukraine war'

Admiral Sergei Avakyants, 66, sought to protect his men from deployment
When forced to do so, the admiral allegedly dispatched his most ill-disciplined and unreliable men to the war zone

By Rohan Gupta
23 April 2023

Vladimir Putin has reportedly fired a top admiral because of his refusal to send his sailors to fight in the war against Ukraine.

Admiral Sergei Avakyants, 66, was suddenly stripped of the role of commander of the Russian Pacific Fleet last week during war games involving nuclear bombers ordered by the Kremlin.

Avakyants has been seeking to protect his men from deployment - to prevent them from being cannon fodder - according to Volya and Brief Telegram.

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Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12004245/Putin-fired-admiral-insubordination-opposed-sending-men-Pacific-Fleet.html

catfish1957 · « **Reply #2459 on:** April 23, 2023, 04:40:36 pm »

Quote from: Kamaji on April 23, 2023, 04:19:09 pm

Vladimir Putin 'fires top admiral after he refused to send his sailors from his Pacific fleet to fight in Ukraine war'

Fire? Is that what they call it in Russia nowadays?

Cyber Liberty · « **Reply #2460 on:** April 23, 2023, 04:46:07 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 23, 2023, 04:40:36 pm

Fire? Is that what they call it in Russia nowadays?

I'm still wondering why sailors are really useful when the only sea is the Black Sea, which Turkey has bottled up? I admit I do not know much about the vaunted Russian Navy...

Rivers?

catfish1957 · « **Reply #2461 on:** April 23, 2023, 04:51:06 pm »

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on April 23, 2023, 04:46:07 pm

I'm still wondering why sailors are really useful when the only sea is the Black Sea, which Turkey has bottled up? I admit I do not know much about the vaunted Russian Navy...

Rivers?

Not a military expert, but I am guessing that from a security and import/export perspective, that Crimea is about the most valuable piece of real estate in Russia.

sneakypete · « **Reply #2462 on:** April 23, 2023, 06:39:42 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 23, 2023, 03:42:39 pm

Wonder how we will fare under this world alignment...

CCP, Russia, India, OPEC (and all Middle East), Socialist leaning Nations of Africa and Latin, and South America... (BRICS)

vs.

USA, EU (do we include France?), and Pac-Rim, minus NORKS

Klaus, better forget about the NWO, and just hope for just survival.

@catfish1957

I see this as more of a "play" to get the Soviets to open their shores to the Chinese so they can go in and mine gold,silver,copper,etc,etc,etc,and drill for oil.

The Chinese will soon be in deep doo-doo if they can't lock up a big oil field somewhere. Yeah,they have a countless number of soldiers,plus the soldiers familes,etc,etc,etc,and they HAVE to come up with the money to feed them or face a revolution themselves.

BTW,thanks to hundreds of years as a slave state where the slaves are taught from birth to follow orders and not ask questions,the Chinese are the LEAST creative group of people on the planet. They either get technical help and advice from western nations,or they collapse into revolution. This is why so many of their young men are being sent to America and other western nations to learn the skills and gain the knowledge they MUST have for China to survive.

And WE must allow them to do this because they have already paid Hunter Biden,he has giving his Pop his cut of the money the Chinese paid to get this to happen.

Yes,this was happening before Biden too over,but it was just a few Chinese compared to the masses coming in today.

IMNSHO,passing a law making it illegal for ANY citizen from ANY communist country to come to America to go to school or take jobs SHOULD be a "Number 1 Priority" for Congress,but I doubt it will even get mentioned.

sneakypete · « **Reply #2463 on:** April 23, 2023, 06:41:43 pm »

Quote from: Kamaji on April 23, 2023, 04:19:09 pm

Vladimir Putin 'fires top admiral after he refused to send his sailors from his Pacific fleet to fight in Ukraine war'

Admiral Sergei Avakyants, 66, sought to protect his men from deployment
When forced to do so, the admiral allegedly dispatched his most ill-disciplined and unreliable men to the war zone

By Rohan Gupta
23 April 2023

Vladimir Putin has reportedly fired a top admiral because of his refusal to send his sailors to fight in the war against Ukraine.

Admiral Sergei Avakyants, 66, was suddenly stripped of the role of commander of the Russian Pacific Fleet last week during war games involving nuclear bombers ordered by the Kremlin.

Avakyants has been seeking to protect his men from deployment - to prevent them from being cannon fodder - according to Volya and Brief Telegram.

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Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12004245/Putin-fired-admiral-insubordination-opposed-sending-men-Pacific-Fleet.html

@Kamaji

Will someone please tell me whose Navy these sailors are supposed to fight? Damn sure isn't the US Navy because that would be the shortest "war at sea" in history.

catfish1957 · « **Reply #2464 on:** April 23, 2023, 06:56:26 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on April 23, 2023, 06:39:42 pm

@catfish1957

I see this as more of a "play" to get the Soviets to open their shores to the Chinese so they can go in and mine gold,silver,copper,etc,etc,etc,and drill for oil.

Absolutely, and why Russia will be likely the No. 2 Dog in BRICS.

The Chinese will soon be in deep doo-doo if they can't lock up a big oil field somewhere. Yeah,they have a countless number of soldiers,plus the soldiers familes,etc,etc,etc,and they HAVE to come up with the money to feed them or face a revolution themselves.

Those wheels are already in motion, even to the point of reversing OPEC's 50 year committment to trade oil in $USD. The Chicom's are calling the shots now, and will have a ready supply of Saudi Oil as needed. The pendulum has swung, and swung rather quickly.

BTW,thanks to hundreds of years as a slave state where the slaves are taught from birth to follow orders and not ask questions,the Chinese are the LEAST creative group of people on the planet. They either get technical help and advice from western nations,or they collapse into revolution. This is why so many of their young men are being sent to America and other western nations to learn the skills and gain the knowledge they MUST have for China to survive.

As long as you have abilty to re-engineer, steal technology and Intellectual Property, it doesn't matter. Everything the Chicoms want and need, can be done via proxy. Look at South America and Africa..... Even with the Chicom's demographic disadvantages, they've farmed out a work force..... Probably for 100's of years.

And WE must allow them to do this because they have already paid Hunter Biden,he has giving his Pop his cut of the money the Chinese paid to get this to happen.

I think the Biden Crime Family is the worst offender, but I think their is also plenty of other culpabiity around from DiFi, to Swallwell, Even Mitch, and countless other puke legislators who have sold us out to the Chicoms.

Yes,this was happening before Biden too over,but it was just a few Chinese compared to the masses coming in today.

IMNSHO,passing a law making it illegal for ANY citizen from ANY communist country to come to America to go to school or take jobs SHOULD be a "Number 1 Priority" for Congress,but I doubt it will even get mentioned.

We can't even stop them from buying farmland and military installations. Our government sold us out. And I think we sadly may be beyond the point of return.

sneakypete · « **Reply #2465 on:** April 23, 2023, 07:07:51 pm »

Quote from: catfish1957 on April 23, 2023, 06:56:26 pm

I think the Biden Crime Family is the worst offender, but I think their is also plenty of other culpabiity around from DiFi, to Swallwell, Even Mitch, and countless other puke legislators who have sold us out to the Chicoms.

@catfish1957

There can be no real question about this happening. Our own government doesn't even try to pretend it isn't anymore.

And let's not forget the biggest "offenders" in this treasonous acts,large,major corporations. These are the people who bribe the politicians to get them to approve selling their goods and services to China.

There is a simple saying that I have forgotten that spells this out in a manner so simple nobody can question it,but I have forgotten it. Basically,it points out that Corporations aren't people,don't have citizenship,and are free to go anywhere they want to go in order to sell their products.

How ironic is it that the biggest Capitalists in the world are demanding pretty much unrestricted global trade?

As that wise philosopher "Pogo" once noted,"We haz met our enemy,and he is us!"

catfish1957 · « **Reply #2466 on:** April 23, 2023, 07:16:14 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on April 23, 2023, 07:07:51 pm

@catfish1957

There can be no real question about this happening. Our own government doesn't even try to pretend it isn't anymore.

And let's not forget the biggest "offenders" in this treasonous acts,large,major corporations. These are the people who bribe the politicians to get them to approve selling their goods and services to China.

There is a simple saying that I have forgotten that spells this out in a manner so simple nobody can question it,but I have forgotten it. Basically,it points out that Corporations aren't people,don't have citizenship,and are free to go anywhere they want to go in order to sell their products.

How ironic is it that the biggest Capitalists in the world are demanding pretty much unrestricted global trade?

As that wise philosopher "Pogo" once noted,"We haz met our enemy,and he is us!"

I honestly think, WEF, NWO, GND/ESG, and the Chicoms are all interconnected into one massive 3rd world wealth re-distribution scheme. From whacko Green initiative that makes no sense, and that are self destructive to the decoupling of the world from the $USD....

All the dots are appearing before our eyes, coalescing, and connecting.

kevindavis007 · « **Reply #2467 on:** April 23, 2023, 07:20:35 pm »

Whoa:

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1650207056614285312

Elderberry · « **Reply #2468 on:** April 24, 2023, 12:26:29 am »

Ukraine Crossed the Dnipro?

Lawrence Person's BattleSwarm Blog 4/23/2023

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=54746

Back in November, I put up a post on Ukrainian forces crossing the Dnipro River for a probing raid. Since then I’ve noticed a persistent trickle of hits to the post, presumably off social media posts of further activity. Today came more concrete evidence that Ukrainian troops are landing and operating on the eastern/southern bank of the Dnipro.

Ukrainian soldiers have crossed the Dnipro River for the first time since the early days of the invasion and built positions that could be used to launch attacks deeper into Russian-occupied territory, analysts have said.

The crossing of the Dnipro River, which has marked the front line since Russian forces retreated from Kherson city in November, comes days after reports of a partial Russian retreat in the area.

It comes as Ukraine is widely expected to launch a counteroffensive, which analysts have said may be aimed at pushing 100 miles south of the Dnipro River at least as far as Crimea.

The US-based Institute for the Study of War said that video and photos have generated the first “reliable geolocated imagery of Ukrainian positions” south of the river.

“The extent and intent of these Ukrainian positions remain unclear, as does Ukraine’s ability and willingness to maintain sustained positions in this area,” it said.

Several Russian military bloggers used geolocation techniques to pinpoint Ukrainian military positions around the village of Oleshky, south of the Dnipro River.

Russian military blogger “Thirteenth”, who has more than 100,000 followers, posted a video that he said showed Ukrainian special forces using fast small boats to land on the river bank, where “they have been hanging out for a couple of weeks”.

More at link.

Elderberry · « **Reply #2469 on:** April 24, 2023, 02:16:05 am »

Ukrainian army 'crosses crucial Dnipro River for the first time and soldiers prepare positions to launch counter-offensive deep into Russian-occupied areas', analysts claim

Daily Mail by Arthur Parashar 4/23/2023

•   Dnipro River has served as front line since Moscow retreated from Kherson

•   If Ukrainian forces have breached river, it would be a major humiliation for Putin

•   Russia bragged withdrawal from Kherson allowed them to use river in defence

Ukraine's army have crossed the Dnipro River for the first time since the start of the invasion as soldiers prepare positions to launch a counter-offensive deep into Russian-occupied areas, military analysts have claimed.

Claims of Ukrainian advances onto the eastern bank of the river come just days after reports of a partial Russian retreat in the Kherson region.

The Dnipro River has served as the front line since Vladimir Putin's soldiers retreated from Kherson city back in November, sparking scenes of jubilation from Ukrainian civilians.

The crossing comes as speculation continues to mount over Ukraine's long-awaited spring offensive, which analysts have suggested may be aimed at pushing 100 miles south of the river at least as far as annexed Crimea.

Analysts from the the US-based Institute for the Study of War said that footage from Russian military bloggers has offered the first 'reliable geolocated imagery of Ukrainian positions' south of the river.

'The extent and intent of these Ukrainian positions remain unclear, as does Ukraine's ability and willingness to maintain sustained positions in this area,' it said.

If Ukrainian forces have breached the river, it would be a major humiliation for Putin and Moscow considering Russian forces bragged about how their withdrawal from Kherson last year allowed them to use the Dnipro River as part of their defence.

More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12005761/Ukrainian-army-crosses-crucial-Dnipro-River-time.html

Elderberry · « **Reply #2470 on:** April 24, 2023, 02:21:20 am »

MAD VLAD Ukraine news latest — Desperate Putin launches ‘MAJOR new pervasive campaign for recruits’ as Russian losses mount

The Sun by Louis Allwood 4/23/2023

VLADIMIR Putin has been forced to launch a "major new drive for volunteer recruits" as Russia's losses continue to mount in Ukraine.

The UK's ministry of defence claimed the Russian adverts are appealing to recruits that are "real men".

In their latest intelligence update for the war in Ukraine the Ministry said: "The Russian MoD has launched a major new drive for volunteer recruits. A pervasive campaign has seen advertising appear on Russian social media sites, on billboards, and on TV.

"The new adverts appeal to potential recruits’ masculine pride, appealing for ‘real men’, as well as highlighting the financial benefits of joining up."

It comes as Ukraine's armed forces claimed today that Russian losses had exceeded 185,000 after a further 680 troops were killed in Putin's bloody war.

More: https://www.the-sun.com/news/7673111/ukraine-news-latest-russia-war-putin/

Kamaji · « **Reply #2471 on:** April 24, 2023, 10:37:11 am »

Crime wave hits Russia as prisoners freed to fight in Ukraine return home: Wife 'knifed to death in front of her young sons' is one of a string of murders and sex attacks blamed on soldiers

Convicts and soldiers are returning to Russia and committing horrific crimes
Read more: Ukrainian army 'crosses crucial Dnipro River for the first time'

By WILL STEWART
24 April 2023

Russia is suffering a wave of murders from convicts freed to fight in Vladimir Putin's war who then return home to continue their life of crime.

Other fighters have become twisted by the brutality of the frontline and kill once they get back to their families.

Still more fighters have been detained for sexual violence against children.

Platoon commander Alexander Mameyev, 44, returned home from the war was detained on suspicion of stabbing his wife Ekaterina to death in front of their sons aged seven and eight.

His children had to be hospitalised suffering from shock.

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Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12006461/Crime-wave-hits-Russia-prisoners-freed-fight-Ukraine-return-home.html

sneakypete · « **Reply #2472 on:** April 24, 2023, 02:58:53 pm »

Quote from: Kamaji on April 24, 2023, 10:37:11 am

Crime wave hits Russia as prisoners freed to fight in Ukraine return home: Wife 'knifed to death in front of her young sons' is one of a string of murders and sex attacks blamed on soldiers

Convicts and soldiers are returning to Russia and committing horrific crimes
Read more: Ukrainian army 'crosses crucial Dnipro River for the first time'

By WILL STEWART
24 April 2023

Russia is suffering a wave of murders from convicts freed to fight in Vladimir Putin's war who then return home to continue their life of crime.

Other fighters have become twisted by the brutality of the frontline and kill once they get back to their families.

Still more fighters have been detained for sexual violence against children.

Platoon commander Alexander Mameyev, 44, returned home from the war was detained on suspicion of stabbing his wife Ekaterina to death in front of their sons aged seven and eight.

His children had to be hospitalised suffering from shock.

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Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12006461/Crime-wave-hits-Russia-prisoners-freed-fight-Ukraine-return-home.html

@Kamaji

War is a bitch,especially for the non-career soldiers who are just jerked away from their normal life one day,given a few weeks of training,and then sent into a hot war against experienced enemy troops.

The career soldiers tend to fare a little better due to their experience,training,and temperment,but the ones drafted and sent to lead assaults against dug-in enemy positions suffer horribly in both the physical and the mental conditions.

Kamaji · « **Reply #2473 on:** April 24, 2023, 03:01:17 pm »

Quote from: sneakypete on April 24, 2023, 02:58:53 pm

@Kamaji

War is a bitch,especially for the non-career soldiers who are just jerked away from their normal life one day,given a few weeks of training,and then sent into a hot war against experienced enemy troops.

The career soldiers tend to fare a little better due to their experience,training,and temperment,but the ones drafted and sent to lead assaults against dug-in enemy positions suffer horribly in both the physical and the mental conditions.

Yes, but this isn't just about soldiers in general, it's about the fact that Russia released a lot of prisoners who had been convicted of some heinous crimes, and gave them pardons if they served in the Russian army in Ukraine and survived the ordeal. These prisoners are now beginning to return to Russian society, many of them most likely still unrepentant of the crimes for which they were locked up, and now further hardened by their experience in the fight in Ukraine.

Weird Tolkienish Figure · « **Reply #2474 on:** April 24, 2023, 03:08:52 pm »

I always thought that was a smear of Vietnam War Vets, personally. Many had PTSD, but I'm not sure they were any more violent than the general population.