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« Reply #1750 on: January 26, 2023, 06:38:40 pm »
Maybe because he didn’t have sufficient evidence earlier?   Geez.

Geez, the Zelensky is perfect group is as bad as the Russia is the good guys group in defending "their guys" no matter what.
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« Reply #1751 on: January 26, 2023, 07:44:04 pm »
Geez, the Zelensky is perfect group is as bad as the Russia is the good guys group in defending "their guys" no matter what.

Why?  I posited a simple state of affairs that fully answered your question, if true.

Removing someone from office for corruption should only be done when there is clear direct evidence of that, not simply when you get aspersions and speculation from the American right wing, no?

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« Reply #1752 on: January 26, 2023, 07:48:39 pm »
Human wave attacks, criminals used as cannon fodder and tens of thousands dead: How Putin 'won' the Battle of Soledar in Ukraine at a massive cost in human lives

By MAILONLINE REPORTER
26 January 2023

After months of stalemate in the battle for Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, Russia has a victory to celebrate.   

The town of Soledar has fallen to the Kremlin’s forces - but the win has been brutal, bloody, caused in-fighting in the Kremlin, and is far from the breakthrough that Moscow claims.

Chris Pleasance's video guide explains how tens of thousands of soldiers died after being used as canon fodder in pointless human wave attacks, froze to death in their trenches or were slaughtered in hellish artillery barrages. 

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11676075/How-Putin-won-Battle-Soledar.html

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« Reply #1753 on: January 26, 2023, 08:18:13 pm »
It's a Pyrrhic victory at best, and the cost is not worth that old salt mine.
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« Reply #1754 on: January 26, 2023, 08:27:27 pm »
It's a Pyrrhic victory at best, and the cost is not worth that old salt mine.

True enough.

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« Reply #1755 on: January 26, 2023, 10:46:31 pm »
It's a Pyrrhic victory at best, and the cost is not worth that old salt mine.

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Doesn't matte to the leadership of a police state HOW MANY "peons/serfs" have to die,the leadership MUST appear to be infallible in a
dictatorship or they lose power.

And of course,if they lose power,THEY end up hanging from lampposts.
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« Reply #1756 on: January 27, 2023, 03:43:52 am »
Concerning the M1A1 tanks, like I said in another thread, they're likely junkers or decommissioned USMC tanks from the Army's Sierra boneyard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Army_Depot

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The depot and Anniston Army Depot will be the storage sites of the US Marine Corps' inventory of M1 Abrams tanks as well as other armored equipment as part of USMC Commandant Gen. David H. Berger's planning guidance "Force Design 2030". The last tanks left for the depot from the U.S. Marine Corps' base at 29 Palms in California in July 2020.

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https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2021/03/22/goodbye-tanks-how-the-marine-corps-will-change-and-what-it-will-lose-by-ditching-its-armor/

https://www.2ndmardiv.marines.mil/News/Press-Releases/Article/2406045/last-of-2d-tanks-m1a1-abrams-tanks-depart-camp-lejeune/

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« Reply #1757 on: January 27, 2023, 07:32:15 pm »
Ukraine hit by Russian missiles day after West's offer of tanks

James Waterhouse and Marita Moloney  |  1 day ago


Russia launched a wave of missiles at Ukraine on Thursday, a day after Germany and the US pledged tanks to aid Kyiv's fight against the invasion.

Eleven people died and 11 others were injured after 35 buildings were struck across several regions, the state's emergency service said.

It added the worst damage to residential buildings was in the Kyiv region.

Officials also reported strikes on two energy facilities in the Odesa region.

The barrage came as Russia said it perceived the new offer of military support, which followed a UK pledge to send Challenger 2 battle tanks, as "direct" Western involvement in the conflict.

In what was a sustained and wide-ranging attack, the head of the Ukrainian army said Moscow launched 55 air and sea-based missiles on Thursday.

Valery Zaluzhny added that 47 of them were shot down, including 20 around Kyiv.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64411259



Such quick retaliation against civilians for a decision they had nothing to do with.  Russia is a bully that needs to be stopped.  Perhaps the US should consider delivering AA weaponry to Ukraine instead of merely talking about delivering AA weaponry to Ukraine.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #1758 on: January 27, 2023, 10:13:07 pm »
Human wave attacks, criminals used as cannon fodder and tens of thousands dead: How Putin 'won' the Battle of Soledar in Ukraine at a massive cost in human lives

By MAILONLINE REPORTER
26 January 2023

After months of stalemate in the battle for Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region, Russia has a victory to celebrate.   

The town of Soledar has fallen to the Kremlin’s forces - but the win has been brutal, bloody, caused in-fighting in the Kremlin, and is far from the breakthrough that Moscow claims.

Chris Pleasance's video guide explains how tens of thousands of soldiers died after being used as canon fodder in pointless human wave attacks, froze to death in their trenches or were slaughtered in hellish artillery barrages. 

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11676075/How-Putin-won-Battle-Soledar.html

Using criminals as cannon fodder ain't a bad idea, I do have to say.

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« Reply #1759 on: January 28, 2023, 01:15:43 am »
Swiss army provides gloves and blankets to Ukraine

Switzerland has sent military-issue gloves, socks and blankets to Ukraine to help its population cope with the winter as Russia bombards its energy infrastructure.

January 26, 2023 - 13:59


The latest consignment of a CHF180 million ($195 million) humanitarian aid package will be delivered in Kyiv in three days’ time.

Switzerland has previously sent heaters and generators to the war-torn country.

The 170,000 pairs of gloves, 40,000 socks and 2,000 blankets have been drawn from Swiss military supplies, the government said on Thursday.  .  .

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/swiss-army-provides-gloves-and-blankets-to-ukraine/48235140
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« Reply #1760 on: January 30, 2023, 01:30:19 pm »
Thats why people love Joe!
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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« Reply #1761 on: January 31, 2023, 08:53:23 am »
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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« Reply #1762 on: January 31, 2023, 11:34:51 pm »
Ukrainian troops are calling the US military in the middle of shootouts with Russia for help fixing their artillery
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Ukrainian soldiers fire at Russian positions from a U.S.-supplied M777 howitzer in Kherson region, Ukraine, Jan. 9, 2023. AP Photo/Libkos

    The US military is leading a team that is helping to repair Ukraine's military hardware over the phone.
    These virtual exchanges often take place during battle, the Associated Press reported. 
    Ukrainian troops, meanwhile, are pushing artillery systems to the limits to keep Russia at bay.

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« Reply #1763 on: February 01, 2023, 12:01:52 am »
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« Reply #1764 on: February 01, 2023, 12:09:14 am »
Yep, war with Russia. Ever since the first 2016 debate, where each GOP candidate except Trump (and maybe Cruz) basically outright called for it.

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« Reply #1765 on: February 01, 2023, 05:27:36 pm »
Poland to send 60 more tanks to Ukraine in addition to the 14 it previously announced

The decision comes after Germany agreed to allow countries that have stocks of its Leopard 2 tanks to hand them over to Ukraine - meaning Kyiv will recieve the battle vehicles from the US, Poland and Norway.

Friday 27 January 2023  |  16:29, UK

Poland will send 60 more tanks to Ukraine, on top of the 14 it has already pledged to the war effort, the Polish prime minister has said.

The country has angled itself as one of Ukraine's key allies in its war with Russia, and had already pledged to hand over 14 German-made Leopard 2 tanks, after lobbying Berlin to allow other countries to do so.

Speaking to Canadian television, Mateusz Morawiecki, Poland's prime minister said: "Poland sent 250 tanks as the first country half a year ago or even more than that.

"Right now, we are ready to send 60 of our modernised tanks, 30 of them PT-91. And on top of those tanks, 14 tanks, Leopard 2 tanks, from in our possession."  .  .

https://news.sky.com/story/poland-to-send-60-more-tanks-to-ukraine-in-addition-to-the-14-it-previously-announced-12796770
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« Reply #1766 on: February 01, 2023, 07:32:22 pm »
Poland to send 60 more tanks to Ukraine in addition to the 14 it previously announced

The decision comes after Germany agreed to allow countries that have stocks of its Leopard 2 tanks to hand them over to Ukraine - meaning Kyiv will recieve the battle vehicles from the US, Poland and Norway.

Friday 27 January 2023  |  16:29, UK

Poland will send 60 more tanks to Ukraine, on top of the 14 it has already pledged to the war effort, the Polish prime minister has said.

The country has angled itself as one of Ukraine's key allies in its war with Russia, and had already pledged to hand over 14 German-made Leopard 2 tanks, after lobbying Berlin to allow other countries to do so.

Speaking to Canadian television, Mateusz Morawiecki, Poland's prime minister said: "Poland sent 250 tanks as the first country half a year ago or even more than that.

"Right now, we are ready to send 60 of our modernised tanks, 30 of them PT-91. And on top of those tanks, 14 tanks, Leopard 2 tanks, from in our possession."  .  .

https://news.sky.com/story/poland-to-send-60-more-tanks-to-ukraine-in-addition-to-the-14-it-previously-announced-12796770

The PT-91's are nice, but they're not Leopard II's or Abrams, which outclass every Russian tank.
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« Reply #1767 on: February 01, 2023, 08:13:29 pm »
Am I the only one wondering how much longer Putin can remain in power while bankrupting the Neo-Soviet Union?

There HAS to come a time when the more junior members of the Politburo begin to worry about their own security and future,not to mention the typical Russian subject,and this nonsense will be brought to an end.
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« Reply #1768 on: February 01, 2023, 08:24:33 pm »
Am I the only one wondering how much longer Putin can remain in power while bankrupting the Neo-Soviet Union?

There HAS to come a time when the more junior members of the Politburo begin to worry about their own security and future,not to mention the typical Russian subject,and this nonsense will be brought to an end.

We'll see that before Zelenskyy allows Russia to keep the captured territory...including Crimea.
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« Reply #1769 on: February 02, 2023, 02:39:27 am »
Fighting Wagner is like a ‘zombie movie’ says Ukrainian soldier

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/01/europe/ukraine-soldiers-fighting-wagner-intl-cmd/index.html

Southwest of the city of Bakhmut, Ukrainian soldiers Andriy and Borisych live in a candle-lit bunker cut into the frozen earth. For several weeks they have been confronting hundreds of fighters belonging to the Russian private military contractor Wagner throwing themselves against Ukrainian defenses.

Disguised in a balaclava, Andriy recounts one seemingly endless firefight when they came under attack by a flood of Wagner fighters.

“We were fighting for about 10 hours in a row. And it wasn’t like just waves, it was uninterrupted. So it was just like they didn’t stop coming.”

Their AK-47 rifles became so hot from constant firing, Andriy says, that they had to keep changing them.

“It was about 20 soldiers on our side. And let’s say 200 from their side,” he says.

The Wagner way of war is to send a first wave of attackers that mainly comprises raw recruits straight out of Russian prisons. They know little of military tactics and are poorly equipped. Most just hope that if they survive their six-month contract they can go home rather than back to a cell

“They make the group – let’s say from 10 soldiers – reach 30 meters, then they start digging in to keep the position,” Andriy says of Wagner.

Another group follows, he says, to claim another 30 meters. “That’s how, step by step, (Wagner) is trying to move forward, while they lose a lot of people in the meantime.”

Only when the first wave is exhausted or cut down do Wagner send in more experienced combatants, often from the flanks, in an effort to overrun Ukrainian positions.

Andriy says facing the assault was a frightening and surreal experience.

“Our machine gunner was almost getting crazy, because he was shooting at them. And he said, I know I shot him, but he doesn’t fall. And then after some time, when he maybe bleeds out, so he just falls down.”

Andriy compares the battle to a scene out of a zombie movie. “They’re climbing above the corpse of their friends, stepping on them,” he says.

“It looks like it’s very, very likely that they are getting some drugs before attack,” he says, a claim that CNN has not been able independently to verify.

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« Reply #1770 on: February 02, 2023, 01:21:00 pm »
Most senior Russian officer yet reveals horrific details of torture carried out in Ukraine: Prisoners were shot in the limbs, deafened with gunshots next to both ears and sexually assaulted with mop handle

By JACK NEWMAN FOR MAILONLINE
2 February 2023

The most senior Russian officer yet to reveal the horrors of the Ukraine war has described brutal torture, rape and executions carried out by Kremlin forces.

Konstantin Yefremov, an ex-military officer who has since fled the war and Russia, said he witnessed Moscow's sadistic tactics against the defending forces twice a day during Vladimir Putin's murderous campaign.

The former senior lieutenant, who tried to resign from the army multiple times before being dismissed for refusing to return to Ukraine, is now considered a traitor and a defector by Moscow after serving his country in the Zaporizhzhia region.

He told the BBC how prisoners were shot in their limbs, stripped naked and humiliated as part of Putin's dehumanising crusade against Kyiv's troops.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11705275/Most-senior-Russian-officer-reveals-horrific-details-torture-carried-Ukraine.html

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« Reply #1771 on: February 02, 2023, 01:21:04 pm »
The Flying Yeet of Death

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=54003

I’ve previously covered suicide drones and drones dropping RPGs. Now Ukraine is evidently cutting out the middleman and passing the savings on to Ivan by just strapping RPGs to light drones and guiding them in.

The is a great application of one of Murphy’s Military Laws: “If it’s stupid but it works, it ain’t stupid.” For the Russians, it must be quit embarrassing to get yeeted into the afterlife by Doogie Howser’s science fair project.

I’m somewhat surprised that drones that small can carry the RPG rounds effectively, but presumably they’re replacing camera gear or something close to the same weight.


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« Reply #1772 on: February 02, 2023, 01:22:52 pm »
Putin has 'mobilised half a MILLION troops for major new offensive on anniversary of Ukraine invasion': Sergei Lavrov warns Russia will 'gain the world's attention' on February 24

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
2 February 2023

Russia has mobilised 500,000 troops for a major new offensive in Ukraine on the anniversary of Vladimir Putin's invasion, Kyiv's defence minister warned last night, before the Kremlin said it planned 'gain the world's attention' on February 24.

Speaking on French television, Oleksiy Reznikov said the Russian military is planning to call on the huge number of soldiers to mount another assault on his country.

February 24 will mark 365 days since Moscow's troops first rolled into parts of Ukraine not already under Russian occupation. But what the Kremlin hoped would be a swift overthrow of Ukraine's government has dragged into a painful war of attrition, with Kyiv's forces driving the invaders back in the east.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11704753/Russia-mobilised-half-MILLION-troops-major-new-offensive-Kyiv-defence-minister-warns.html

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« Reply #1773 on: February 02, 2023, 01:46:30 pm »
Putin has 'mobilised half a MILLION troops for major new offensive on anniversary of Ukraine invasion': Sergei Lavrov warns Russia will 'gain the world's attention' on February 24

By CHRIS JEWERS FOR MAILONLINE
2 February 2023

Russia has mobilised 500,000 troops for a major new offensive in Ukraine on the anniversary of Vladimir Putin's invasion, Kyiv's defence minister warned last night, before the Kremlin said it planned 'gain the world's attention' on February 24.

Speaking on French television, Oleksiy Reznikov said the Russian military is planning to call on the huge number of soldiers to mount another assault on his country.

February 24 will mark 365 days since Moscow's troops first rolled into parts of Ukraine not already under Russian occupation. But what the Kremlin hoped would be a swift overthrow of Ukraine's government has dragged into a painful war of attrition, with Kyiv's forces driving the invaders back in the east.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11704753/Russia-mobilised-half-MILLION-troops-major-new-offensive-Kyiv-defence-minister-warns.html

@Kamaji

The Neo-Soviets are not getting desperate. They have been desperate ever since their "walk over Ukraine and take over "Master Plan" failed after the first assault.

This latest plan is their "Hail Mary to save "face"",and is pure desperation.

"Free Europe" needs to "step up to the line" NOW to stop this madness before it gets any worse. As it is,Ukraine has been fighting Europe's war for them,and it is time now for them to start carrying a little of the weight themselves.

I am not a betting man,but if a United Europe started sending troops as well as weapons to defend Ukrainian borders that the mad man known as Putin would be flying out of Russia on his private jet or private yacht,never to return.

IF he is still sane enough to realize what is happening.

If he isn't,it's "back against the wall,redneck motherhumper!" because the neo-Soviet Union will collapse due to revolution. as well as invasion.

Russians really ARE a Patriotic People,and "Holy Mother Russia" isn't just a slogan to them. It MEANS something,even to the most hard-core Soviet ever born. They might or might not love communism,but they ALL love Russia and there is a limit to how much they,as a people,are going to tolerate before a massive leadership change.

My most sincere hope is that IF Europe sends troops to Ukraine to help her defend herself against invasion is that the younger and less indoctrinated members of the Politburo see what is happening and remove Putin and his supporters from power.
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« Reply #1774 on: February 02, 2023, 01:51:03 pm »
Yesterday, Russia lost over 900 soldiers KIA.  If they are preparing for a massive counter-attack, then why are they sacrificing so many troops now?
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