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« Reply #1200 on: November 23, 2022, 11:18:10 pm »
Zelesky maybe crooked, I don't know. If he is, our government is complicit.

But he is darn sure  there. And it seems that the people are fighting to keep their country.

I salute them.

To me, that is the bottom line.

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« Reply #1201 on: November 24, 2022, 01:18:19 am »
Zelesky maybe crooked, I don't know. If he is, our government is complicit.

But he is darn sure  there. And it seems that the people are fighting to keep their country.

I salute them.

To me, that is the bottom line.

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« Reply #1202 on: November 24, 2022, 02:28:21 am »
Good for Germany!   Gee, Brandon, here's your sign.  888mouth


Ukraine war: How Germany ended reliance on Russian gas

When Vladimir Putin switched off the gas taps to Europe, Germany more than most feared a winter of blackouts. Ministers scrambled to secure alternative supplies, painfully aware that a heavy dependence on Russian gas had left this industrial nation woefully exposed.

But fast forward a few months and, as lights sparkle in the Christmas markets, there is a sense of tentative optimism in the Glühwein spiced air. Germany's hastily assembled strategy to manage without Russian gas appears - for now - to be working.

"Energy security for this winter is guaranteed," the Chancellor Olaf Scholz told MPs in the German parliament on Wednesday morning.

Not only are the country's gas stores full; the result, in part, of a frantic - and expensive - buying operation on the world's markets.

But, up on Germany's windswept North Sea coast, engineers have just finished building - in record time - the country's very first import terminal for liquified natural gas (LNG).

LNG is natural gas which is cooled to liquid form to reduce its volume and make easier to transport. It's then converted back to gas form upon reaching its destination.

Germany is rightly notorious for its ponderous bureaucracy; this kind of project would normally take years, but the authorities slashed away at red tape to enable completion in under 200 days.........

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63709352

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« Reply #1203 on: November 24, 2022, 02:42:03 am »
END GAME Ukraine boasts it could retake Crimea by Christmas and end war in Spring a year after Vladimir Putin’s invasion

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20484905/ukraine-crimea-christmas-end-war-spring/

UKRAINE could reach Crimea by Christmas and end the war by next spring, according to Kyiv.

Retired major general Volodymyr Havrylov said it is "only a matter of time" before Ukraine recaptures Crimea after Putin illegally seized the territory back in 2014.

He told Sky News: "Of course, we would like to make it sooner than later."

Havrylov said Ukraine's aim to retake Crimea could be helped by a "black swan" event in Russia, such as an unexpected, drastic political change.

He said it was "possible" Ukrainian forces could be back in Crimea by the end of year without such an event, however.

Havrylov said he also believes the war could be wrapped up shortly after the year anniversary in February.

He added: "Of course, in this case, the war will take some time.

"But my feeling is that by the end of the spring, this war will be over."

Havrylov also dismissed the idea of peace talks with Moscow, saying it would only happen if Russian troops gave up all Ukrainian territory - including Crimea.

He said: "There is a decision inside the society in Ukraine that we are going up to the end.

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« Reply #1204 on: November 24, 2022, 04:16:48 am »
Good for Germany!   Gee, Brandon, here's your sign.  888mouth


Ukraine war: How Germany ended reliance on Russian gas

When Vladimir Putin switched off the gas taps to Europe, Germany more than most feared a winter of blackouts. Ministers scrambled to secure alternative supplies, painfully aware that a heavy dependence on Russian gas had left this industrial nation woefully exposed.

But fast forward a few months and, as lights sparkle in the Christmas markets, there is a sense of tentative optimism in the Glühwein spiced air. Germany's hastily assembled strategy to manage without Russian gas appears - for now - to be working.

"Energy security for this winter is guaranteed," the Chancellor Olaf Scholz told MPs in the German parliament on Wednesday morning.

Not only are the country's gas stores full; the result, in part, of a frantic - and expensive - buying operation on the world's markets.

But, up on Germany's windswept North Sea coast, engineers have just finished building - in record time - the country's very first import terminal for liquified natural gas (LNG).

LNG is natural gas which is cooled to liquid form to reduce its volume and make easier to transport. It's then converted back to gas form upon reaching its destination.

Germany is rightly notorious for its ponderous bureaucracy; this kind of project would normally take years, but the authorities slashed away at red tape to enable completion in under 200 days.........

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63709352

You may not recall, but there were several posters who noted at the start of the current invasion that Russia would end up losing a large market share in oil and LNG because European customers would seek other sources. Nigeria is expanding their oil and gas production and is exploring development in areas they previously didn't exploit. They are just one example. In addition to losing customers Russia is forced to shut down production in some areas and restarting the production demands highly skilled people and all the international companies with the best people have pulled out of Russia. Now Russia is facing a reduced price for the oil they produce if they want to sell it. IOW, Putin has set back Russia at least 50 years.

Now it makes sense why Russia is so desperately trying to destroy Ukraine's electricity grid. They need a negotiated end to the war before their economy collapses.

All we have to do is make sure Ukraine has the air defense systems they need and more offensive weaponry. We don't need to send any money.

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« Reply #1205 on: November 24, 2022, 04:27:01 am »
END GAME Ukraine boasts it could retake Crimea by Christmas and end war in Spring a year after Vladimir Putin’s invasion

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20484905/ukraine-crimea-christmas-end-war-spring/

UKRAINE could reach Crimea by Christmas and end the war by next spring, according to Kyiv.

Retired major general Volodymyr Havrylov said it is "only a matter of time" before Ukraine recaptures Crimea after Putin illegally seized the territory back in 2014.

He told Sky News: "Of course, we would like to make it sooner than later."

Havrylov said Ukraine's aim to retake Crimea could be helped by a "black swan" event in Russia, such as an unexpected, drastic political change.

He said it was "possible" Ukrainian forces could be back in Crimea by the end of year without such an event, however.

Havrylov said he also believes the war could be wrapped up shortly after the year anniversary in February.

He added: "Of course, in this case, the war will take some time.

"But my feeling is that by the end of the spring, this war will be over."

Havrylov also dismissed the idea of peace talks with Moscow, saying it would only happen if Russian troops gave up all Ukrainian territory - including Crimea.

He said: "There is a decision inside the society in Ukraine that we are going up to the end.

More at link.

They have been inspiring. They held on when no one gave them a chance and now that they have better weaponry they have not only pushed the Russians back, but have exercised better strategy and tactics while doing it.

I think the critical issue is stopping the systematic destruction of their electric grid.
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« Reply #1206 on: November 24, 2022, 04:13:43 pm »
They have been inspiring. They held on when no one gave them a chance and now that they have better weaponry they have not only pushed the Russians back, but have exercised better strategy and tactics while doing it.

I think the critical issue is stopping the systematic destruction of their electric grid.

@bilo

IMNSHO,this is primarily because the ONLY Russians that want to fight this war are Putin and his cohorts. Even his Generals are against it.

I suspect that unless Pooty-Poot is VERY lucky/VERY fast on his feet,he is going to end up facing a firing squad by the time the dust settles.

The military has already pretty much decided to quit fighting,and once the militia/police inside Russia decide to quit arresting protesters,it is OVER for Putin and his cabal of dictators.

What worries ME more than anything else is an aggressive China invading eastern Russia to get their hands on the natural resources there they so badly need to keep their economy humming and their own ministers from swinging from ropes.

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« Reply #1207 on: November 24, 2022, 04:45:49 pm »
European Parliament declares Russia a terrorist state

https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/russia-ukraine/?id=88905005

The European Parliament adopted a resolution on Wednesday recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.

"The European Parliament adopts a resolution declaring Russia a terrorist state," Guy Verhofstadt, a member of the European Parliament from Belgium, said in a Twitter post. "Putin's regime is a state sponsor of terrorism, complicit in war crimes [and] must face the international consequences."

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« Reply #1208 on: November 24, 2022, 04:52:19 pm »
European Parliament declares Russia a terrorist state

https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/russia-ukraine/?id=88905005

The European Parliament adopted a resolution on Wednesday recognizing Russia as a state sponsor of terrorism.

"The European Parliament adopts a resolution declaring Russia a terrorist state," Guy Verhofstadt, a member of the European Parliament from Belgium, said in a Twitter post. "Putin's regime is a state sponsor of terrorism, complicit in war crimes [and] must face the international consequences."

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I am GUESSING that comes complete with economic embargos,fines,and penalties?
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« Reply #1209 on: November 24, 2022, 04:56:03 pm »
Lukashenko Says Ukraine Faces 'complete Destruction' If It Does Not Negotiate With Russia

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/lukashenko-says-ukraine-faces-complete-destruction-if-it-does-not-negotiate-with-russia-articleshow.html

Belarus' President Alexander Lukashenko has warned Ukraine that it will face complete destruction if it does not negotiate with Russia. The Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko is a close ally of Russia and he allowed his nation to become the launchpad for Russian troops. Russian troops entered Ukraine from east and north, and troops who entered Ukraine from the north were stationed in Belarus.

They crossed the Belarus-Ukraine border and attempted to take Kyiv, but they did not succeed. Belarus has avoided getting directly involved in the war although Ukrainian intelligence has claimed that Russia is planning a false flag operation on Belarus to get Lukashenko directly involved in the war. Institute for Study of War has said that such a false flag operation won't eliminate the factors that are restricting Lukashenko from getting directly involved in the war.

Lukashenko tells Ukraine to sit at the negotiating table

Alexander Lukashenko has said, "Everything is in Ukraine's hands." He has said that he recognises negotiating can be hard, difficult and painful for Ukraine but "they have to do it if they want to recover. Otherwise, it will lead to a complete destruction of Ukraine." He said that peace talks are inevitable. He said, "Europe has finally opened its eyes," implying that they can now put pressure on Ukraine to sit at the negotiating table with Russia.

His statements have led to anger in Ukraine. Meanwhile, Ukraine is suffering from blackouts, due to the intensive damage to power grids. According to reports from Sky news, satellite images released by NASA showcases how widespread these blackouts are.

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« Reply #1210 on: November 24, 2022, 05:23:14 pm »
Lukashenko Says Ukraine Faces 'complete Destruction' If It Does Not Negotiate With Russia

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/lukashenko-says-ukraine-faces-complete-destruction-if-it-does-not-negotiate-with-russia-articleshow.html

Belarus' President Alexander Lukashenko has warned Ukraine that it will face complete destruction if it does not negotiate with Russia. The Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko is a close ally of Russia and he allowed his nation to become the launchpad for Russian troops. Russian troops entered Ukraine from east and north, and troops who entered Ukraine from the north were stationed in Belarus.

They crossed the Belarus-Ukraine border and attempted to take Kyiv, but they did not succeed. Belarus has avoided getting directly involved in the war although Ukrainian intelligence has claimed that Russia is planning a false flag operation on Belarus to get Lukashenko directly involved in the war. Institute for Study of War has said that such a false flag operation won't eliminate the factors that are restricting Lukashenko from getting directly involved in the war.

Lukashenko tells Ukraine to sit at the negotiating table

Alexander Lukashenko has said, "Everything is in Ukraine's hands." He has said that he recognises negotiating can be hard, difficult and painful for Ukraine but "they have to do it if they want to recover. Otherwise, it will lead to a complete destruction of Ukraine." He said that peace talks are inevitable. He said, "Europe has finally opened its eyes," implying that they can now put pressure on Ukraine to sit at the negotiating table with Russia.

His statements have led to anger in Ukraine. Meanwhile, Ukraine is suffering from blackouts, due to the intensive damage to power grids. According to reports from Sky news, satellite images released by NASA showcases how widespread these blackouts are.

More at link.

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This is desperation speaking.  What he really means is that Putin faces total destruction if Ukraine doesn’t buy the lie and give in. 

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« Reply #1211 on: November 24, 2022, 07:53:35 pm »
Havrylov also dismissed the idea of peace talks with Moscow, saying it would only happen if Russian troops gave up all Ukrainian territory - including Crimea.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #1212 on: November 26, 2022, 02:43:26 pm »
Lukashenko is a puppet clown of Putin's.

Bottomline:  Russia is training a reported 130,000 to 300,000 drafted youth to prepare for an offensive in the spring.  The problem is that there are now no surprises.  Ukraine knows what is coming, and they will be somewhat prepared to deal with the next wave of attacks by Russia.

The outcome will be staggering numbers of dead Russians.  It will be a meat grinder.  And eventually, all these young boys whose parents had only one child will generate a furor in Russia against the modern day Hitlerian monster Putin.  I give it two years max and the Russian people realizing their sons are not coming home because they are dead rise up and kill Putin and his entire cabal.

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« Reply #1213 on: November 26, 2022, 06:19:54 pm »
Belarus foreign minister dies suddenly at 64 - one day after meeting Pope's envoy amid speculation they were discussing secret peace plan to end Ukraine war

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11472289/Belarus-foreign-minister-dies-suddenly-speculation-hed-discussing-secret-peace-plan.html

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The foreign minister of Russian ally Belarus died suddenly today at the age of 64, it was announced in Minsk.

Vladimir Makei was seen as the only main channel of communication to the West in dictator Alexander Lukashenko's hardline pro-Moscow regime.

His sudden death came the day after he met with the Pope's envoy Ante Jozić amid speculation they were discussing a secret peace plan over the war in Ukraine.

Career spy Makei had been foreign minister for a decade and was due tomorrow and Monday to host Vladimir Putin's foreign minister Sergei Lavrov in Minsk.

Lavrov's spokeswoman said Russia was 'shocked' at his passing.

No cause of death was given - but several sources speculated that his demise could be suspicious.

Makei was described as 'healthy'.

He was seen as eyeing the Belarus presidency in the event of Lukashenko quitting - and was a former chief of staff to the tyrant.

He had been trained in the Soviet GRU - the military intelligence agency - and had a reputation as Lukashenko's 'grey cardinal'.

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« Reply #1214 on: November 26, 2022, 07:09:50 pm »
So the eyes are starting to open and there are so many corrupt politicians that there is no one stopping Joe.  I wonder how many have there hands in the billions that have been sent over to Ukraine (supposedly)? Zelenskyy is just as corrupt.

I believe Joe is the most corrupt president in history.

European officials say US profiting from Ukraine war, call Inflation Reduction Act 'very worrying'

Senior European officials say US 'selling more gas and at higher prices,' and 'selling more weapons' amid Ukraine war


Top European officials have attacked President Biden's actions amid the ongoing war in Ukraine and have even questioned whether the United States remains an ally as gas prices soar and U.S. green energy policies have put Europeans into "full-blown panic mode," according to a report.

European officials, speaking anonymously to Politico, accused the U.S. of "profiting" off of Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine and complained that green subsidies and taxes included in the Inflation Reduction Act have deteriorated relationships between the U.S. and European allies and partners.

"The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons," a senior official told Politico.

"We are really at a historic juncture," the official added, arguing that U.S. policies have disrupted trade and that high gas prices are turning public opinion against aid for Ukraine. "America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/european-officials-says-us-profiting-ukraine-war-call-inflation-reduction-act-very-worrying
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« Reply #1215 on: November 26, 2022, 11:48:35 pm »
So the eyes are starting to open and there are so many corrupt politicians that there is no one stopping Joe.  I wonder how many have there hands in the billions that have been sent over to Ukraine (supposedly)? Zelenskyy is just as corrupt.

I believe Joe is the most corrupt president in history.

European officials say US profiting from Ukraine war, call Inflation Reduction Act 'very worrying'

Senior European officials say US 'selling more gas and at higher prices,' and 'selling more weapons' amid Ukraine war


Top European officials have attacked President Biden's actions amid the ongoing war in Ukraine and have even questioned whether the United States remains an ally as gas prices soar and U.S. green energy policies have put Europeans into "full-blown panic mode," according to a report.

European officials, speaking anonymously to Politico, accused the U.S. of "profiting" off of Russian President Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine and complained that green subsidies and taxes included in the Inflation Reduction Act have deteriorated relationships between the U.S. and European allies and partners.

"The fact is, if you look at it soberly, the country that is most profiting from this war is the U.S. because they are selling more gas and at higher prices, and because they are selling more weapons," a senior official told Politico.

"We are really at a historic juncture," the official added, arguing that U.S. policies have disrupted trade and that high gas prices are turning public opinion against aid for Ukraine. "America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/european-officials-says-us-profiting-ukraine-war-call-inflation-reduction-act-very-worrying

Sorry but these Eurotrash are worse than Biden on this IMO. They're pissed we're making any profit at all with their own idiotic anti-fossil fuel policies.

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« Reply #1216 on: November 27, 2022, 12:00:02 am »
On the Anniversary of Ukraine’s Famine, Parallels to Russia’s Strikes

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/26/world/europe/ukraine-war-holodomor-strikes.html

The Holodomor commemoration came as President Vladimir V. Putin was accused of degrading Ukraine’s power grid to freeze the country into submission.

KYIV, Ukraine — When Joseph Stalin engineered a famine designed to break the will of Ukrainians opposed to the Kremlin’s farming policies, he turned the grain-rich breadbasket of Europe into a land of starvation, deprivation and death.


Placing candles on Saturday at a memorial to honor the victims of the Holodomor, a famine engineered in 1932
by Joseph Stalin that killed millions of Ukrainians.


Ninety years later, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia has turned his missile arsenal on civilian infrastructure in an effort to shatter Ukrainian resolve and force Kyiv to bend to his will, leaving millions in darkness and cold, threatening access to clean water and compromising the nation’s health care system.

But when Ukrainians across the country lit candles at 4 p.m. on Saturday to mark the 90th anniversary of the Holodomor, which means “death by hunger” in Ukrainian, President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed that Ukrainians would not allow history to repeat itself.

“Once they wanted to destroy us with hunger, now — with darkness and cold,” he said. “We cannot be broken. Our fire will not go out. We will conquer death again.”

This time, he said, the world would not be silent.

Mr. Zelensky was joined by European leaders in the gilded halls of Mariinsky Palace, the ceremonial home of the president of Ukraine that was commissioned by the Empress Elizabeth Petrovna of Russia in 1744, to announce a new “grain from Ukraine” initiative, using the potent symbolism of the day to pledge to support nations struggling to feed their people.

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« Reply #1217 on: November 27, 2022, 12:10:08 am »
The red line: Biden and Xi’s secret Ukraine talks revealed

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-red-line-biden-and-xis-secret-ukraine-talks-revealed/

ince the beginning of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, China has played a decisive – though publicly low-profile – role in strategic decision-making in both Washington and Moscow. As I report for the first time in my new book Overreach, it was a back-channel intervention approved by Beijing that caused the US to scupper a deal for the Poles to provide Soviet-made MiG-29 jets to the Ukrainian Air Force back in March. And since September a flurry of personal diplomacy by Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi with Nato and the US has led to a rare moment of public agreement over Russia, when Xi Jinping said that the world ‘needs to prevent a nuclear crisis on the Eurasian continent’ in a meeting with Joe Biden at the G20 summit in Bali.

Throughout the war, China’s true position on the Russia-Ukraine conflict has been hard to pin down – not least because Beijing has been telling both sides what they want to hear. In March, Wang implicitly appeared to be blaming the US for ‘stoking tensions’ and ‘sowing discord’ with Russia. Last month he told his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov, that ‘China will also firmly support the Russian side, under the leadership of President Putin, to unite and lead the Russian people’, according to state broadcaster CCTV. Wang also promised that ‘China is willing to deepen contacts with the Russian side at all levels’. Yet in September, on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly, Wang had told Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg that China ‘stays open-minded to dialogues and exchanges with Nato and is willing to jointly promote the sound and steady development of bilateral relations … in the spirit of honesty and mutual respect’.

So whose side is Beijing really on? The reality is that China has consistently backed only one side – its own. But the illusion of Chinese support was one of the many miscalculations that led Vladimir Putin down the road to war. At a summit in Beijing on 4 February this year, Xi and Putin announced a ‘friendship without limits’ with ‘no forbidden areas’ of cooperation. Both leaders declared the new level of Sino-Russian strategic partnership ‘superior’ to the alliances of the Cold War era. Beijing was aware of Russia’s plans for a military operation, according to a source with longstanding close ties to the top levels of China’s political and military leadership. But the Russians presented the coming military operation as a ‘limited operation to recover a lost Russian province [and] reunite Russia within historical boundaries’. That narrative fitted China’s own over Taiwan – though it was made clear that the Russian operation must not interfere with the Beijing Winter Olympics, which ended on 20 February – four days before Putin’s invasion.

Most importantly, in a confidential annexe to the ‘friendship without limits’ was a mutual security guarantee that Russia had sought from China for decades but hitherto been unable to obtain, said the source. Like Nato’s Article 5 – that an attack on one member is an attack on all – Beijing and Moscow pledged to come to each other’s aid militarily in the case of a foreign invasion of their territory and if special conditions were satisfied concerning the cause of such an invasion. That extremely canny and prescient proviso, inserted at Chinese insistence, would effectively exclude territories recently annexed during wartime, thus releasing Beijing from any commitment to respond to attacks on annexed territories in Ukraine.

The scale of Russia’s military operation – in particular the closely held secret of the blitzkrieg attack on Kyiv, of which even Lavrov was unaware as late as 21 February – took Beijing by surprise. Though the Chinese officially supported Putin diplomatically, blaming Nato for provoking the conflict, there was deep (and entirely well-founded) concern that Putin had overreached and would provoke the West into a united front that a limited operation in Donbas would have avoided. Putin’s threat of nuclear escalation on 27 February alarmed the world, including the Chinese. A key priority for Beijing was for the Russo-Nato confrontation to ‘avoid any nuclear escalation and to help in reaching a ceasefire’, said the source, who has regular personal contact with the leaders of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). Now Putin had – recklessly in Chinese eyes – played his most dangerous card right at the beginning of the conflict.

So when, a few days later, a further escalation threatened in the form of an offer by the Polish government to supply Ukraine with its entire fleet of Soviet-era MiG-29 fighters, the Chinese grew concerned. In truth, there was little likelihood of the Polish MiGs making much difference on the battlefield. Poland’s 26 to 33 MiG-29s had been made in the early 1980s for the East German Air Force and had been sold to Warsaw for the symbolic sum of €1 each in 2003. Romania, which owned 20 similar MiG-29 jets, had decommissioned them many years ago. Nonetheless, a Nato country providing fighter jets of any kind to Kyiv represented an important symbolic, if not necessarily operationally significant, step towards direct Nato involvement in the conflict. Initially, Washington was positive. But a day later, on 8 March, the Pentagon abruptly reversed its position, pronouncing Poland’s proposal ‘not tenable’.

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« Reply #1218 on: November 27, 2022, 02:36:02 pm »
Orban does a 180 turn. Amazing what effect that a few quiet words about EU funding can have.
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« Reply #1219 on: November 27, 2022, 03:19:03 pm »
'Shame on the Motherland': Grieving father who lost his conscript son in Ukraine war accuses Putin of being a 'traitor' to Russia and dares FSB to arrest him for speaking out against the despot

By WILL STEWART FOR MAILONLINE
27 November 2022

A tragic father who lost his conscript son in Vladimir Putin's war in Ukraine has accused the Kremlin dictator of being a traitor to Russia for the for killing or maiming of up to 100,000 servicemen.

Dmitry Shkrebets, 44, accused the Russian president and his commanders of 'murdering' his son by their incompetence and rule-breaking, and went on to challenge Russia's FSB secret service to arrest him for claiming Putin 'betrayed' him.

Shkrebets lost his son Yevgeny, 20, on the Moskva cruiser - the flagship of Russia's Black Sea naval fleet which was sunk by Ukrainian missiles earlier in the war.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11474113/Putin-traitor-Russia-commanders-murdered-son-rages-father-conscript.html

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #1220 on: November 27, 2022, 04:23:36 pm »

Putin says Russian deaths in Ukraine don't really matter in the big picture

Ukrayinska Pravda

Putin on war deaths: 30,000 people die in road accidents and from alcohol in Russia

Quote from Putin: "Of course, this is a huge tragedy [the death of a relative - ed.]. It is a void that cannot be filled with anything when a loved one is gone, especially a son.

But you know what comes to my mind: in our country, about 30,000 people die in road accidents, nearly the same number die from alcohol. Unfortunately, it happens. This is how life works. Life is complex and multifaceted, more complicated than can be written somewhere on paper.

We are all under the Lord, under Allah, under Christ, I don't know, everyone who believes in higher powers, it doesn't matter what religion a person adheres to: we are all mortal, we are all under the Lord. And someday we will all leave this world. It is inevitable. The question is how we lived."

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-war-deaths-30-000-155637794.html

Essentially, Putin is telling mothers of dead conscripts that they would have died anyway. They're dead whether in Ukraine or still in Russia. Everybody dies. Why not die fighting Ukraine? <- kind of a weird thing to say to mothers who are morning their teenage and twenty something sons.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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« Reply #1221 on: November 27, 2022, 04:55:39 pm »
Putin says Russian deaths in Ukraine don't really matter in the big picture

Ukrayinska Pravda

Putin on war deaths: 30,000 people die in road accidents and from alcohol in Russia

Quote from Putin: "Of course, this is a huge tragedy [the death of a relative - ed.]. It is a void that cannot be filled with anything when a loved one is gone, especially a son.

But you know what comes to my mind: in our country, about 30,000 people die in road accidents, nearly the same number die from alcohol. Unfortunately, it happens. This is how life works. Life is complex and multifaceted, more complicated than can be written somewhere on paper.

We are all under the Lord, under Allah, under Christ, I don't know, everyone who believes in higher powers, it doesn't matter what religion a person adheres to: we are all mortal, we are all under the Lord. And someday we will all leave this world. It is inevitable. The question is how we lived."

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-war-deaths-30-000-155637794.html

Essentially, Putin is telling mothers of dead conscripts that they would have died anyway. They're dead whether in Ukraine or still in Russia. Everybody dies. Why not die fighting Ukraine? <- kind of a weird thing to say to mothers who are morning their teenage and twenty something sons.

Wow.  What disingenuous B.S.

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« Reply #1222 on: November 27, 2022, 05:15:02 pm »
He's also citing Allah, eh, in his explanation about how death just happens.  Not Putin's fault.  Nope.  Not at all.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #1223 on: November 27, 2022, 05:17:29 pm »
Putin says Russian deaths in Ukraine don't really matter in the big picture

Ukrayinska Pravda

Putin on war deaths: 30,000 people die in road accidents and from alcohol in Russia

Quote from Putin: "Of course, this is a huge tragedy [the death of a relative - ed.]. It is a void that cannot be filled with anything when a loved one is gone, especially a son.

But you know what comes to my mind: in our country, about 30,000 people die in road accidents, nearly the same number die from alcohol. Unfortunately, it happens. This is how life works. Life is complex and multifaceted, more complicated than can be written somewhere on paper.

We are all under the Lord, under Allah, under Christ, I don't know, everyone who believes in higher powers, it doesn't matter what religion a person adheres to: we are all mortal, we are all under the Lord. And someday we will all leave this world. It is inevitable. The question is how we lived."

https://news.yahoo.com/putin-war-deaths-30-000-155637794.html

Essentially, Putin is telling mothers of dead conscripts that they would have died anyway. They're dead whether in Ukraine or still in Russia. Everybody dies. Why not die fighting Ukraine? <- kind of a weird thing to say to mothers who are morning their teenage and twenty something sons.

 :shrug:

Should I feel sorry for the Russians? They put up with this guy. At least the Chinese are starting to stand up for themselves now. Not so the Russians.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #1224 on: November 27, 2022, 05:56:39 pm »
Wow.  What disingenuous B.S.

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Ifn ya didunt no betta,ya MIGHT think he was out of touch wid reality.

And don't think for a minute that he doesn't really think like that. Standard mindset for dictators.
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