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[Hoodat]

'Massive' drone attack on Black Sea Fleet - Russia

Hugo Bachega, Kyiv & James Gregory, London  |  11 hours ago

Ukraine has carried out a "massive" drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol, damaging one warship, Russia says.

Nine drones were used, a top official said. Ukraine has not commented.

Without providing evidence, Russia accused British troops of being involved in Saturday's attack - and in blowing up gas pipelines last month.

In its response, the UK Ministry of Defence (MoD) said Russia was "peddling false claims of an epic scale".

Russia said the ships targeted in Saturday's attack were involved in the internationally-brokered deal to allow grain exports from Ukrainian ports and hours later announced that it was suspending its participation in it.

The attack comes as Ukrainian troops successfully retake territory occupied by Russian troops since they launched their invasion on 24 February.

Russia has replied by launching large-scale attacks on Ukrainian infrastructure, particularly on the country's energy grid.

Crimea was annexed by Russia from Ukraine in 2014 and is extremely symbolic for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In recent weeks, several attacks have hit the peninsula, where the Russian army has built up a large presence.

Sevastopol is the largest city in the region and home to Russia's Black Sea fleet.

Mikhail Razvozhaev, the Russian-installed governor of the city, said Russia's navy had repelled the latest attack - the "most massive" on the city since February.

He said that all unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) had been shot down and no "civilian infrastructure" had been damaged.

At least one vessel sustained minor damage, the Russian ministry of defence said.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63437212

[christian]

Russians are upset democrats are stealing their favorite lies, disinformation, and propaganda tactics, in response,
Democrats are upset Russians are stealing their favorite lies, disinformation, and propaganda tactics.
With massive infusions of weapons and money into the Ukraine, the Ukrainians are playing we are so dirt poor we can't do nuthin!  When the Russians attack, they cry we have nuthin and can't do nuthin, NATO allies need to send us everythin they got, weapons and money included!
Help. yes. everything, Hell NO

Tell the Ukrainians to talk to Joe Biden and have the Afghanistan rebels  share the Army they got from us to the Ukraine! really!

[Hoodat]

[Hoodat]

Maybe Putin is really the Biden of Russia.

[bilo]

71,000+ killed

If that number is anywhere close to the truth it's hard to see how Putin has any support within Russia. This war could go on for years so that number could easily double. Russia really is destroying itself.

[bilo]

Maybe Putin is really the Biden of Russia.

Maybe!

Putin has made one mistake after another and isn't smart enough to recognize defeat when it's staring him in the face. Instead, Putin keeps doubling down in trying to conquer Ukraine and bully the world. The end result is more and more Russians are dying, Ukraine is getting stronger and bordering nations are increasing their security as well as joining NATO.

[libertybele]

71,000+ killed

If that number is anywhere close to the truth it's hard to see how Putin has any support within Russia. This war could go on for years so that number could easily double. Russia really is destroying itself.

Possibly, but keep in mind that the current Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for quite sometime; approximately since 2014.

There has been a regime change in Ukraine -- U.S. dollars have been flowing into Ukraine also for quite some time and currently under Joe billions have been sent (at least pledged).

Also, there has been evidence or reports that Ukraine had been murdering its own people - not to say that this has or is happening under Zelensky, but Ukraine has not been innocent in all of this.

Yes, the war has escalated, but that escalation came when Joe started throwing money to Ukraine and also keep in mind the escalation happened after Joe's debacle in Afghanistan.

Bottom line to me is this is NOT our war.  Joe should have never started shelling out money to Zelensky.  Zelensky only expects and almost demands more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

[DB]

Possibly, but keep in mind that the current Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for quite sometime; approximately since 2014.

There has been a regime change in Ukraine -- U.S. dollars have been flowing into Ukraine also for quite some time and currently under Joe billions have been sent (at least pledged).

Also, there has been evidence or reports that Ukraine had been murdering its own people - not to say that this has or is happening under Zelensky, but Ukraine has not been innocent in all of this.

Yes, the war has escalated, but that escalation came when Joe started throwing money to Ukraine and also keep in mind the escalation happened after Joe's debacle in Afghanistan.

Bottom line to me is this is NOT our war.  Joe should have never started shelling out money to Zelensky.  Zelensky only expects and almost demands more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

Wikipedia, the well known source of truth...

[sneakypete]

Maybe!

Putin has made one mistake after another and isn't smart enough to recognize defeat when it's staring him in the face. Instead, Putin keeps doubling down in trying to conquer Ukraine and bully the world. The end result is more and more Russians are dying, Ukraine is getting stronger and bordering nations are increasing their security as well as joining NATO.

@bilo

Russia was only a free nation for the blink of an eye,and then the Secret Police took over again in the form of Putin and his "proxy" in the early days.

They aren't even pretending to freedom these days.

The ONLY thing that can save Russia with a MINIMUM of bloodshed is a coup by the Politiburo and a return to freedoms. The problem is everybody still in charge there is a creature of the Soviet Slave State,and that is all they know.

Which leaves a violent revolution by the long-suggering Russian serfs. IF that happens,it is going to get ugly by Biblical standards.

I see no peaceful solution to this problem. I wish I did,but I don't. Things can NOT continue to go on as they are now,so change MUST take place.

[libertybele]

Wikipedia, the well known source of truth...

Simply pointing out some history and time frame involved here. There are many reference entities; so, which would you rather believe?  I believe most lean liberal - but the timeline itself is basically the same. The 'reasons' or events that lead up to or make up the timeline may vary.

My main point is that this conflict is not new and IMO has been escalated by Joe & Company.

https://www.graduateinstitute.ch/communications/news/understanding-roots-russia-ukraine-war-and-misuse-history

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/why-did-russia-give-away-crimea-sixty-years-ago

https://www.history.com/news/ukraine-timeline-invasions

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-20th-century-history-behind-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-180979672/

https://www.historyextra.com/period/general-history/russia-invade-ukraine-history-relationship-crimea-why-conflict-facts/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/a-historical-timeline-of-post-independence-ukraine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-18010123

https://www.cfr.org/timeline/ukraines-struggle-independence-russias-shadow

https://gis.huri.harvard.edu/resource-type/timeline-maps

[Right_in_Virginia]

Possibly, but keep in mind that the current Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for quite sometime; approximately since 2014.

There has been a regime change in Ukraine -- U.S. dollars have been flowing into Ukraine also for quite some time and currently under Joe billions have been sent (at least pledged).

Also, there has been evidence or reports that Ukraine had been murdering its own people - not to say that this has or is happening under Zelensky, but Ukraine has not been innocent in all of this.

Yes, the war has escalated, but that escalation came when Joe started throwing money to Ukraine and also keep in mind the escalation happened after Joe's debacle in Afghanistan.

Bottom line to me is this is NOT our war.  Joe should have never started shelling out money to Zelensky.  Zelensky only expects and almost demands more.

@libertybele

I don't understand why so many act as though this conflict began in Feb 2022 and the West had nothing to do with it instead of demanding answers before the world as we know it is blown apart.

The US led West pushed for this for almost a decade----- prodding, instigating, interferring, arming, inflaming, pissing on negotiations ----- Had it not been for the election of Trump,  2017 would indeed have been "the year of offense against the Russians" as McCain proclaimed to Ukrainian soldiers in 2016----promising them our complete support.

This is the West's planned war against Russia -- who will govern The Donbas in The Borderland is the excuse put in play in 2014 ---

Some folks need to spend some time reviewing reports from before Feb 2022 ---- getting to know Victoria Nuland and the State Department's role in the 2014 Ukraine election for president. --- Then gathering the facts on the Ukrainian Revolution in 2014, including its instigators and the brutal Kiev led war it reignited in the Donbas.

BTW, 2014 is also the year Hunter Biden was placed on the Board of Burisma - the largest natural gas producer in Ukraine ----- just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Folks are free to root for Ukraine's victory and celebrate Zelensky's every move as divinely-inspired strategic genius.   But, they shoud also take at least a credible shot at explaining why the US has been involved in this up to its eyeballs since 2014---and why it is now depleting our treasury and our military readiness --- actively prolonging this conflict all the way to nuclear war.

Just my $0.02   

[libertybele]

@libertybele

I don't understand why so many act as though this conflict began in Feb 2022 and the West had nothing to do with it instead of demanding answers before the world as we know it is blown apart.

The US led West pushed for this for almost a decade----- prodding, instigating, interferring, arming, inflaming, pissing on negotiations ----- Had it not been for the election of Trump,  2017 would indeed have been "the year of offense against the Russians" as McCain proclaimed to Ukrainian soldiers in 2016----promising them our complete support.

This is the West's planned war against Russia -- who will govern The Donbas in The Borderland is the excuse put in play in 2014 ---

Some folks need to spend some time reviewing reports from before Feb 2022 ---- getting to know Victoria Nuland and the State Department's role in the 2014 Ukraine election for president. --- Then gathering the facts on the Ukrainian Revolution in 2014, including its instigators and the brutal Kiev led war it reignited in the Donbas.

BTW, 2014 is also the year Hunter Biden was placed on the Board of Burisma - the largest natural gas producer in Ukraine ----- just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Folks are free to root for Ukraine's victory and celebrate Zelensky's every move as divinely-inspired strategic genius.   But, they shoud also take at least a credible shot at explaining why the US has been involved in this up to its eyeballs since 2014---and why it is now depleting our treasury and our military readiness --- actively prolonging this conflict all the way to nuclear war.

Just my $0.02   

That is the biggest red flag and concern -- the depletion of our treasury and our military.  As for Hunter and Joe, well, IMHO it's easy enough to connect the dots.

[Hoodat]

@libertybeleThe US led West pushed for this for almost a decade----- prodding, instigating, interferring, arming, inflaming, pissing on negotiations -----

For the 68th time, can you provide any evidence that supports your claim?

Some folks need to spend some time reviewing reports from before Feb 2022 ---- getting to know Victoria Nuland and the State Department's role in the 2014 Ukraine election for president. ---

Russia's incursion into Ukraine predates the 2014 election.  But then you already knew that, yet chose to push this false narrative anyway.

Then gathering the facts on the Ukrainian Revolution in 2014, including its instigators

The 2014 Revolution was instigated by the Ukrainian people for the purpose of removing Russian puppet Viktor Yanukovych from office. 

and the brutal Kiev led war it reignited in the Donbas.

War in the Donbas was ignited by the invasion of Russian troops into Ukraine.  You knew this already, yet here you are again pushing the same false narrative in an attempt to purposely deceive people.

BTW, 2014 is also the year Hunter Biden was placed on the Board of Burisma - the largest natural gas producer in Ukraine

Again AFTER Russia invaded.

Folks are free to root for Ukraine's victory and celebrate Zelensky's every move as divinely-inspired strategic genius.

Not really concerned with Zelenskiy here (although you seem to be obsessed with him since you keep bringing him up).  But I am definitely rooting for the Ukraine military to put an end to the atrocities that Russia is committing against the Ukrainian population.  And that includes Donbas.

But, they shoud also take at least a credible shot at explaining why the US has been involved in this up to its eyeballs since 2014---and why it is now depleting our treasury and our military readiness --- actively prolonging this conflict all the way to nuclear war.

Just my $0.02   

Strawman.  No one is disputing the corruption of the Obama Administration and the Biden regime.  What I am questioning is how is the US responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.  Either support your claim, or stop making it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

For the 68th time,  ....

Well, you *are* the moth to my flame ----- 

[libertybele]

Again, @Hoodat  the dots are easy to connect. Again, the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been ongoing.

I have posted several links to most of my posts including the involvement of both Joe and Hunter before Joe became president. I also posted several links to research and videos by Glenn Beck outlining the Ukraine/Burisma/US involvement.  Coincidence that Trump was looking into the $$ to Ukraine and Burisma involvement and then he's impeached? Then Joe runs for president and wins with more votes than were cast. Come on.  Then ....

Back in January, 2022 before Putin escalated the war, Biden announced a prediction that Putin would invade Ukraine -- quite a prediction wasn't it?  Perhaps some might even see it as antagonistic or provoking.  Interesting don't you think that the Joe administration was giving Ukraine $$ almost immediately after Joe took office.  Gee, perhaps Putin may have sensed that as a threat, especially since NATO allies have been giving Z plenty of $$ and ammunition as well before Putin actually decided to escalate the ongoing conflict.

The U.S. to date has paid Ukraine over $18billion dollars.

Interesting don't you think that Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma (2014)  ... "over the course of the next several years, Hunter Biden and Devon Archer were paid millions of dollars from a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch for their participation on the board."

The war has been on going, with Hunter up to his eyebrows in corruption in Ukraine and when Daddy becomes president, the war then escalates with billions of dollars being paid out to Ukraine.

https://static.poder360.com.br/2022/02/2014-Coup-1.pdf  (Ukraine Revolution 2014)

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/how-ukraines-orange-revolution-shaped-twenty-first-century-geopolitics/ (Ukraine Orange Revolution 2004)

https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC%20-%20Finance%20Joint%20Report%202020.09.23.pdf

 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/biden-putin-russia-ukraine.html

Bottom line, this is their war not ours.  $18 billion is a lot to throw at Ukraine.

I don't know about you but I find it alarming that the U.S. will be running out of diesel by November 8 -- 25 days after it was announced on October 14, 2022. (I posted links to the articles). We are looking at a very real potential of our economy coming to a halt.

It was reported a few months ago that the ruble is very strong despite sanctions.  Putin isn't hurting, but Europe is hurting with a prediction that thousands will freeze to death this winter and it is very probable as things stand now that the U.S. may follow.  (Links to articles were also posted).

 

[art.prout]

@libertybele

I don't understand why so many act as though this conflict began in Feb 2022 and the West had nothing to do with it instead of demanding answers before the world as we know it is blown apart.

The US led West pushed for this for almost a decade----- prodding, instigating, interferring, arming, inflaming, pissing on negotiations ----- Had it not been for the election of Trump,  2017 would indeed have been "the year of offense against the Russians" as McCain proclaimed to Ukrainian soldiers in 2016----promising them our complete support.

This is the West's planned war against Russia -- who will govern The Donbas in The Borderland is the excuse put in play in 2014 ---

Some folks need to spend some time reviewing reports from before Feb 2022 ---- getting to know Victoria Nuland and the State Department's role in the 2014 Ukraine election for president. --- Then gathering the facts on the Ukrainian Revolution in 2014, including its instigators and the brutal Kiev led war it reignited in the Donbas.

BTW, 2014 is also the year Hunter Biden was placed on the Board of Burisma - the largest natural gas producer in Ukraine ----- just a coincidence, I'm sure.

Folks are free to root for Ukraine's victory and celebrate Zelensky's every move as divinely-inspired strategic genius.   But, they shoud also take at least a credible shot at explaining why the US has been involved in this up to its eyeballs since 2014---and why it is now depleting our treasury and our military readiness --- actively prolonging this conflict all the way to nuclear war.

Just my $0.02   

Your $0.02 is worth more than $1 Trillion (even accounting for today's debased currency).  I simply can not understand why this is so difficult for many to see.

 

[Hoodat]

Again, @Hoodat  the dots are easy to connect. Again, the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been ongoing.

I have posted several links to most of my posts including the involvement of  . . . .

Not a single word of that addresses Russia's violation of Ukraine sovereignty by sending military troops into Donetsk, Luhansk, and Crimea.  Not a single word.  Everything you mention took place AFTER Russia invaded.  Everything.  So no, the US is not to blame for Putin's actions.

btw, Ukraine was on the fast track to EU membership in 2013.  Yanukovych, under Russian orders, sabotaged that.

[Hoodat]

Your $0.02 is worth more than $1 Trillion (even accounting for today's debased currency).  I simply can not understand why this is so difficult for many to see.

 

The most obvious reason is that the premise is complete bullshit.

[Kamaji]

Possibly, but keep in mind that the current Russo-Ukraine war has been going on for quite sometime; approximately since 2014.

There has been a regime change in Ukraine -- U.S. dollars have been flowing into Ukraine also for quite some time and currently under Joe billions have been sent (at least pledged).

Also, there has been evidence or reports that Ukraine had been murdering its own people - not to say that this has or is happening under Zelensky, but Ukraine has not been innocent in all of this.

Yes, the war has escalated, but that escalation came when Joe started throwing money to Ukraine and also keep in mind the escalation happened after Joe's debacle in Afghanistan.

Bottom line to me is this is NOT our war.  Joe should have never started shelling out money to Zelensky.  Zelensky only expects and almost demands more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

[libertybele]

[Hoodat]

Again, @Hoodat  the dots are easy to connect. Again, the conflict between Russia and Ukraine has been ongoing.

I have posted several links to most of my posts including the involvement of both Joe and Hunter before Joe became president. I also posted several links to research and videos by Glenn Beck outlining the Ukraine/Burisma/US involvement.   . . .

Yet again, can you cite a single thing that predates Russia's 2014 invasion of Ukraine.  Without exception, every single thing that you have mentioned occurred AFTER Russia invaded.  Yanukovych's ouster and Russia's border incursion predate every single one of your dots.

[Kamaji]

80% of Kyiv is left without water as Putin blitzes civilian infrastructure with missiles across Ukraine, cutting off electricity in multiple cities

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
31 October 2022

Ukraine's capital has been left largely without water and suffering power cuts this morning after Russia unleashed another missile barrage on major cities.

Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of Kyiv, said 80 per cent of his city has been left without water and 350,000 homes have no power after Russian cruise missiles hit key infrastructure sites - with witnesses reporting five explosions.

Kharkiv, in the north, Dnipro and Cherkasy, in central Ukraine, and the southern city of Zaporizhzhia were also hit - causing power cuts.

More than 50 cruise missiles were fired by Russian strategic bombers with 44 of the projectiles shot down, Kyiv's commanders said.

It comes two days after Russia's Black Sea fleet was damaged by explosive-laden drones in an attack blamed on Ukraine.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11372595/Kyiv-without-power-Russian-missiles-slam-cities-Ukraine.html

[Kamaji]

80% of Kyiv is left without water as Putin blitzes civilian infrastructure with missiles across Ukraine, cutting off electricity in multiple cities

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
31 October 2022

Ukraine's capital has been left largely without water and suffering power cuts this morning after Russia unleashed another missile barrage on major cities.

Vitali Klitschko, the mayor of Kyiv, said 80 per cent of his city has been left without water and 350,000 homes have no power after Russian cruise missiles hit key infrastructure sites - with witnesses reporting five explosions.

Kharkiv, in the north, Dnipro and Cherkasy, in central Ukraine, and the southern city of Zaporizhzhia were also hit - causing power cuts.

More than 50 cruise missiles were fired by Russian strategic bombers with 44 of the projectiles shot down, Kyiv's commanders said.

It comes two days after Russia's Black Sea fleet was damaged by explosive-laden drones in an attack blamed on Ukraine.

*  *  *

Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11372595/Kyiv-without-power-Russian-missiles-slam-cities-Ukraine.html

Once again, just like their German ideological/philosophical forebears, the Russian nazis take out their frustrations at their military losses on civilians.

[mountaineer]

Biden lost his temper, the people familiar with the call said. The American people were being quite generous, and his admin…working hard to help Ukraine, he said, raising his voice, and Zelenskyy could show a little more gratitude.
Story from NBC News: Biden lost temper with Zelenskyy in June phone call when Ukrainian leader asked for more aid

[Right_in_Virginia]

Your $0.02 is worth more than $1 Trillion (even accounting for today's debased currency).  I simply can not understand why this is so difficult for many to see.

 

Thank you for this @art.prout