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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #700 on: October 17, 2022, 02:52:08 pm »
If China wants Mongolia and Russia, THERE IS NO BETTER TIME THAN NOW.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #701 on: October 17, 2022, 03:16:23 pm »
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The Biden Administration is giving Ukraine $19 billion while negotiating with the Iranian Regime to give them billions of dollars - all the while Iran supplies Russia with drones to attack Ukraine. Biden is officially on both sides of the Ukraine war.
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The Russian/Iranian Shaheed-136 needed at least 30 minutes from Belarus to Kyiv.
If the Ukrainian army claims are true, 90% were shot down before reaching their targets. But from the wild AK fire over the city, it rather looks like 🇺🇦 lacks the means to down those little bastards

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #702 on: October 17, 2022, 05:49:59 pm »
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Here is just a small sample of the carousel of new US enemies whom neocons and other US officials have equated with Hitler (or "worse than Hitler") to instigate wars:

- Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (remember him?)
- Assad
- Gaddafi
- Saddam Hussein
- Vladimir Putin

Trivializing Hitler.

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There are other events in history worth studying for modern conflicts, so we're not equating a fight to control the Donbas with Hitler's march through Europe and the Holocaust.

Key is the Cuban Missile Crisis. Read  @KatrinaNation in the WP today on this:

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Opinion | The Cuban missile crisis was 60 years ago, but it’s urgently relevant today
That pivotal moment proves that de-escalation and diplomacy can prevail.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/11/cuban-missile-crisis-ukraine-lessons/

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #703 on: October 17, 2022, 07:01:50 pm »
Two red herrings crammed into one post.  How quaint.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #704 on: October 17, 2022, 07:06:44 pm »
Meanwhile, back in Ukraine:


Central Kyiv hit by kamikaze drone strikes; heavy fighting rages in two hot spots in eastern Ukraine

Holly Ellyatt, Amanda Macias, Rocio Fabbro  |  OCT 17 2022  |  2:38 PM EDT



Firefighters conduct work after the Russian drone attacks in Kyiv, Ukraine on October 17, 2022. At least 4 separate explosions were heard in Kyiv, while authorities reported that the attacks were carried out with kamikaze drones.
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Residential buildings in the Ukrainian capital Kyiv have been damaged after drone attacks on a central district Monday morning.

Kyiv’s Mayor Vitali Klitschko said 28 explosive-laden drones had headed to the capital this morning and while many were intercepted, a small number had hit several locations with at least five explosions heard in the city.

Four people are known to have died as a result of the drone attacks, including a pregnant woman.

Russia has stepped up its use of attacks carried out by drones in recent weeks, with various targets hit in Ukraine, particularly energy infrastructure.

Heavy fighting is taking place in the eastern region of Donbas in Ukraine, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said on Sunday, with Ukraine’s military stating that Russian forces were on the offensive around Bakhmut.

The town is a key target for Russia’s forces who are seeking to make and cement territorial gains in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions that make up the Donbas, particularly after having to retreat from other settlements to the north, around Kharkiv.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/17/russia-ukraine-war-updates.html
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #705 on: October 17, 2022, 09:37:34 pm »
Ukraine is sending mobile artillery, tanks, and armored personnel carriers to the front lines.
What is new, is now Ukraine is sending dozens of buses embedded with them.
The buses are needed to pick up all the kidnapped Russian conscripts who are surrendering by the hundreds.
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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« Reply #706 on: October 17, 2022, 09:42:25 pm »
At least four dead after Russian bomber crashes into block of flats

Chanel Zagon  Berny Torre  •  17 OCTOBER 2022  •  7:21PM


At least four people are reported to have died with others still missing after one of Russia's warplanes crashed into an apartment building in the southern Russian city of Yeysk.

One of the country's newest and most advanced warplanes collided with the high rise block on Monday after one of its engines caught fire during takeoff.

The death toll from the incident has risen to four with six still missing, according to local media reports.

Shocking photos show the moment that the plane crashed into the residential building, and the resulting aftermath has caused a fire spanning at least 2,000 square meters.

The Russian Defence Ministry said both crew members of the Su-34 bailed out safely, while pictures shared on Russian Telegram news channels showed one of the pilots descending under a parachute, illuminated by the blazing wreckage.

Local authorities in Yeysk, a port city across the Sea of Azov from Mariupol, said that the massive fire engulfed several floors of an apartment building and at least 15 flats were affected.

The Su-34 has a reported price tag of more than £43 million.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/10/17/ukraine-news-russia-war-latest-belarus-putin-fighting-donetsk/
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #707 on: October 17, 2022, 09:44:33 pm »
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #708 on: October 17, 2022, 09:53:47 pm »
Moscow and Kyiv swap women prisoners for sailors

Patrick Jackson  |  1 hour ago


Russia has exchanged 108 Ukrainian women held as prisoners of war for 110 Russian captives held by Ukraine, officials on both sides say.

Of the women, 37 were reportedly captured after surrendering at the siege of the Azovstal steel works in Mariupol, which ended in May.

Most of the Russians freed are sailors from merchant ships held in Ukraine.

They also include members of pro-Russian separatist military units from the Donbas in eastern Ukraine.

Daylight photos were released of the Ukrainian women boarding coaches in an unspecified area and later of them arriving after dark in government-held territory in the southern region of Zaporizhzhia.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63293901
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #709 on: October 17, 2022, 09:54:21 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #710 on: October 17, 2022, 09:58:44 pm »
Let's not forget where Iran got it's drone technology from.  Yet another FU-America from the Obama-Biden Administration:



Iran–U.S. RQ-170 incident
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« Reply #711 on: October 17, 2022, 10:55:52 pm »
‘My son has died’: Russia mourns loss of first drafted soldiers in Ukraine

As newly mobilised men return from the front in coffins, critics complain of aggressive recruiting, low morale and poor training

Andrew Roth  |  15 Oct 2022  |  10.24 EDT


Newly mobilised Russian recruits at a railway station in Prudboi, Volgograd region, 29 September. Photograph: AP

Andrei Nikiforov, a lawyer from St Petersburg, was one of the hundreds of thousands of Russians mobilised since last month to hold the frontlines in his country’s faltering war in Ukraine.

On 25 September he received his call-up papers. By 7 October, just two weeks later, he was dead.

“We don’t know what happened,” said Alexander Zelensky, the head of the Nevsky Collegium of Lawyers, of which Nikiforov was a member. Zelensky and a member of Nikiforov’s family confirmed his call-up and death. “All we have is a date and a place.”

That place was Lysychansk, one of the most dangerous spots near the frontlines.

The first coffins are now returning to Russia from Ukraine, bringing the remains of ordinary Russians who at first were promised a quick “special military operation” and now have been drafted to go and fight in a war. Their deaths may mark another inflection point for Russia in this conflict, where mismanagement has led to Kremlin infighting and at least half a million men have been drafted or fled their homes to avoid it.

The newly minted soldiers died within weeks of Vladimir Putin’s mobilisation announcement on 21 September. On Thursday, the Chelyabinsk region announced the deaths of five mobilised soldiers from a single military commissariat. Reports on Saturday said that another four had died from the Krasnoyarsk region alone. Family members of some men who died said they had been promised two months of training before they would be sent to the frontlines.

According to BBC Russian, another 14 have died, even before reaching the front, of causes including suicide, heart attacks, in fights and other mysterious ailments.  .  .

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/15/my-son-has-died-russia-mourns-loss-of-first-drafted-soldiers-in-ukraine

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #712 on: October 17, 2022, 11:15:36 pm »
My opinion hasn't changed much since this all started. Russia is well on its way to committing national suicide right before our eyes.

When will they remove Putin, the primary cause of their destruction?

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« Reply #713 on: October 17, 2022, 11:24:43 pm »
My opinion hasn't changed much since this all started. Russia is well on its way to committing national suicide right before our eyes.

When will they remove Putin, the primary cause of their destruction?

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #714 on: October 17, 2022, 11:26:04 pm »
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The Biden Administration is giving Ukraine $19 billion while negotiating with the Iranian Regime to give them billions of dollars - all the while Iran supplies Russia with drones to attack Ukraine. Biden is officially on both sides of the Ukraine war.
10:04 AM · Oct 17, 2022


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The Russian/Iranian Shaheed-136 needed at least 30 minutes from Belarus to Kyiv.
If the Ukrainian army claims are true, 90% were shot down before reaching their targets. But from the wild AK fire over the city, it rather looks like 🇺🇦 lacks the means to down those little bastards

3:58 AM · Oct 17, 2022

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You don't REALLY expect the Biden Crime Family to shut down THEIR cut of all the money transferred, do you?
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« Reply #715 on: October 17, 2022, 11:26:40 pm »
When will America remove Soros/Biden/Kamala/Pelosi/Schumer, the primary cause of the destruction of America?
You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
Rational fear and anger at vicious murderous Islamic terrorists is the same as irrational antisemitism, according to the Leftists.

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« Reply #716 on: October 18, 2022, 12:17:05 am »
When will America remove Soros/Biden/Kamala/Pelosi/Schumer, the primary cause of the destruction of America?

Hopefully Pelosi and Schumer are done come November.

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« Reply #717 on: October 18, 2022, 03:00:01 am »
My opinion hasn't changed much since this all started. Russia is well on its way to committing national suicide right before our eyes.

When will they remove Putin, the primary cause of their destruction?

Your comment is spot on.

I don't think Putin will be removed. He is surrounded by like minded fanatics. Also, from the video's I've seen done by "1420" a majority of Russians believe the motherland is under attack and must be defended.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #718 on: October 18, 2022, 03:03:35 am »
@mountaineer

You don't REALLY expect the Biden Crime Family to shut down THEIR cut of all the money transferred, do you?

The leftists controlling Brandon are among the dumbest "smart" people I've ever seen. They keep trying to get friendly with Iran and alienate a key oil exporter and our number one buyer of American made weaponry, Saudi Arabia.
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« Reply #719 on: October 18, 2022, 04:03:14 am »
I don't think Putin will be removed. He is surrounded by like minded fanatics.

Biden's entire Ukraine policy centers on wearing Russia down to the point where Putin steps down from power.  And he doesn't care how many Russians or Ukrainians need to die for that to occur.

Our policy instead should be centered on the defeat of the Russian Army as quickly as possible, removing them as a threat to the world.  But Biden doesn't want that.  He wants to drag this war out forever.
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« Reply #720 on: October 18, 2022, 04:05:05 am »
The leftists controlling Brandon are among the dumbest "smart" people I've ever seen. They keep trying to get friendly with Iran and alienate a key oil exporter and our number one buyer of American made weaponry, Saudi Arabia.

Nothing smart about it.  But that is exactly what they are doing.  And don't forget the UAE.  Biden screwed them over big time shortly after he took office, all because Trump worked out a peace deal between them and Israel.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #721 on: October 18, 2022, 04:09:26 am »
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Escalation of Iran's involvement in Ukraine war highlights the dangers of protracting wars (i.e., current US policy) rather than curtailing them. Addition of new belligerents has "internationalized" and raised the stakes of what might've initially been a more localized conflict

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« Reply #722 on: October 18, 2022, 04:15:24 am »
Escalation of Iran's involvement in Ukraine war highlights the dangers of putting fools like Joe Biden in office. 

Iran's involvement also shows that Russia is incapable of supplying the continuation of this war on their own.  It also shows that they are unable to field an army capable of executing their objectives and are now relying on a terror war of missile attacks to force Ukraine to capitulate.  Maybe they should have left Ukraine alone in the first place.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #723 on: October 18, 2022, 04:26:48 am »
How many weeks now have the Russians been trying to take Bakhmut?
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« Reply #724 on: October 18, 2022, 10:29:01 am »
This is our war against Russia -- who will govern The Donbas in The Borderland is the excuse we put in play in 2014 ---

What US national interest has had the US formenting a war with Russia since at least the Orange Revolution ---- sending Graham and McCain to Ukraine in 2016 promising Ukrainian soldiers "2017 will be the year of offense" with full US support? (But, gratefully, then came Trump)

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