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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #550 on: October 10, 2022, 11:07:46 pm »
More importantly, Ukraine is not Russia.

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Yeah,good luck convincing the "better Red than dead club" of that.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #551 on: October 10, 2022, 11:10:52 pm »
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #552 on: October 10, 2022, 11:19:34 pm »
Kerch Strait Bridge Update: Russia’s Still Using It

https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=52901

As bad as the damage looked from the Kerch Strait Bridge explosion, Russia is still using the bridge:

•  The rail bridge has two tracks going each way, and they ran a test 15-car train on the other span. I have a civil engineer/bridge inspector friend who thinks it’s probably unwise to use the rail bridge at all, as the fire has almost certainly weakened the structure through spalling. But Russia doesn’t have a lot of options.

•  The destroyed train hasn’t been cleared yet.

•  They’ve opened up the surviving lane for traffic. “It’s been said that the road span can handle 20 cars an hour and has a weight capacity of 3.5 tons.” That’s rural mail route capacity, not “support a major front in a war” capacity.

•  Russia is trying to repair the bridge.

•  They’re using passenger-only ferries to cross, but the run rate is so low they may only have one ferry in service.

Peter Zeihan says it’s potentially a turning point in the war:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I363uSKyAw&t=3s


•  “By far the most significant development of the war to date.” I would say that the failure to take Hostomel Airport in the opening phases of the war was bigger, as that meant Russia’s high risk/high reward decapitation strike had failed.

•  “The Kerch bridge is the only large-scale rail connection between mainland Russia and the Crimean peninsula, which is home to about two and a half million people.”
 
•  All other rail lines are under threat of Ukrainian artillery.

•  He reiterates that everything in Russia runs on rail, as they never built a modern road network in most of the country.

•  “With Kerch being the only real connection, it is the primary primary way that the Russians Supply Crimea in the southwestern front with not just troops and equipment, but with food and fuel.”

•  He estimates the bridge spans couldn’t be repaired without several months of work.

•  “Now that the Ukrainians know it can be done, you can bet they’re going to try to hit other parts of it to make sure the thing stays offline.”

•  “For the first time we have a path forward for the Ukrainians here to win that is not long and windy.”

•  Russia finally has a problem it can’t just shove bodies at. “You don’t throw a half a million people at logistics. This is something where either you have the connections or you don’t.”

•  Russian troops in Zaporizhzhia, Kherson and Crimea are “suddenly on their own.”

•  They can now only supply those regions in two ways. “One is by truck, and we know that because of all the Javelins that have been put into Ukraine, and all the RPGs, that the Russians are almost out of their entire military tactical truck fleet, and they’ve started using city buses and Scooby-Doo vans, and those just can’t take the volume of stuff that an active frontline needs.”

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« Reply #553 on: October 10, 2022, 11:50:36 pm »
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You mean we live in a vacuum where nothing that happens anywhere else in the universe affects America?

Good to know!

BTW,there may be minor traces of sarcasm in the above post.

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« Reply #554 on: October 11, 2022, 12:05:10 am »
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You mean we live in a vacuum where nothing that happens anywhere else in the universe affects America?

Nope @sneakypete , not at all --- and neither did Washington or Jefferson.  We should interfere and act ONLY when a national US interest is threatened.

So tell me, Pete, what is the US national interest threatened by yet another boundary dispute in centuries of such disputes in Europe's Borderland?

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« Reply #555 on: October 11, 2022, 12:10:13 am »
Nope @sneakypete , not at all --- and neither did Washington or Jefferson.  We should interfere and act ONLY when a national US interest is threatened.

So tell me, Pete, what is the US national interest threatened by yet another boundary dispute in centuries of such disputes in Europe's Borderland?

Maybe you'd like to take a crack at answering my question, too?  @Kamaji

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« Reply #556 on: October 11, 2022, 01:20:48 am »
Nope @sneakypete , not at all --- and neither did Washington or Jefferson.  We should interfere and act ONLY when a national US interest is threatened.

So tell me, Pete, what is the US national interest threatened by yet another boundary dispute in centuries of such disputes in Europe's Borderland?

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A little thing called a "World War".

That sort of thing happens when one nation is allowed to attack and occupy a weaker nation with no downside to them.
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« Reply #557 on: October 11, 2022, 01:43:30 am »
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Yeah,good luck convincing the "better Red than dead club" of that.

You have to question the wisdom of someone highlighting Ukraine sovereignty as a barrier to US intervention when it is Russian troops that are actively occupy it.
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« Reply #558 on: October 11, 2022, 01:51:48 am »
.  .  .  by yet another boundary dispute .  .  .

More bullshit.  This isn't a boundary dispute.  It never has been a boundary dispute.  But then you knew that already.  Yet here you are yet again pushing the same tired false claim.

Remember back when you were saying that the Russian liberators were simply protecting  the independent states of Luhansk and Donetsk?  I sure do.  Again, pure bullshit.  Lies, lies, lies, lies.  It never stops.
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« Reply #559 on: October 11, 2022, 01:58:02 am »
So tell me, Pete, what is the US national interest

Putting a stop to bullies, standing up for human rights, and demonstrating to the world that we will not tolerate despots who violate the sovereignty of peaceful nations with zero regard for human life.

The world was a much safer place in 1991, and it will be one again when Russia's ability to wage war against its neighbors is eliminated.
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« Reply #560 on: October 11, 2022, 02:02:32 am »
Maybe you'd like to take a crack at answering my question, too?  @Kamaji

Your question has been answered multiple times by numerous posters here.  And without fail, you ignored every single response.

And now you're back asking the same asinine question again, with no respect at all for anyone courteous enough to engage you with a response.
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« Reply #561 on: October 11, 2022, 02:06:31 am »
Map of today's strikes against Ukrainian energy infrastructure



You call this a border dispute.  Yet you post this?  Unreal.
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« Reply #562 on: October 11, 2022, 02:29:45 am »
Putting a stop to bullies, standing up for human rights, and demonstrating to the world that we will not tolerate despots who violate the sovereignty of peaceful nations with zero regard for human life.

The world was a much safer place in 1991, and it will be one again when Russia's ability to wage war against its neighbors is eliminated.

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If people think giving Russia Ukranian territory will end the aggression hasn't been paying attention.
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« Reply #563 on: October 11, 2022, 02:36:03 am »
The targets of Putin's war.



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« Reply #564 on: October 11, 2022, 02:51:06 am »
Ukrainians sing songs while sheltering from Russian assault

Lee Brown  |  October 10, 2022 9:19am


Ukrainians forced to shelter in Kyiv metro stations broke out into tender songs of defiance Monday as Russian missiles rained down on the capital.

Moving videos showed stations completely packed with people on platforms, stairs and stationary trains — and a respectful silence other than a chorus of voices singing the national anthem and other traditional songs.

One clip caught people cheering and giving a huge round of applause after one of the underground performances came to an end.

“How I adore our people,” said one of the Ukrainians sharing footage, Lina Molina, calling it proof they are a “nation of invincibles.”

Foreign Ministry adviser Liubov Tsybulska also shared footage, writing: “Russia, we sing and stay strong no matter how hard you try to kill us.”



Commentators compared it to scenes from the Blitz when Britons in London’s Underground stations listened to singers and even bands while sheltering from Nazi bombings.

Nazi leader Adolf “Hitler thought he could bomb them into surrender but his crimes simply made them more determined to bring an end to the Nazi enterprise,” one person wrote.

Russian President Vladimir Putin “never learned from history,” that commentator said.  .  .

https://nypost.com/2022/10/10/defiant-ukrainians-singing-while-sheltering-underground/
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« Reply #565 on: October 11, 2022, 02:52:47 am »
Civilians targeted by Russia in this "border war" [sic]:

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« Reply #566 on: October 11, 2022, 03:00:33 am »
Is Belarus set to join Ukrainian conflict? Lukashenko announces he will deploy 'joint military task force' with Russia on western border – sparking fury in Europe

CHRIS JEWERS  |  08:37 EDT, 10 October 2022  |  UPDATED: 20:36 EDT, 10 October 2022


Fears were raised today that Belarus could join the conflict in Ukraine after President Alexander Lukashenko announced he will deploy a 'joint military task force' with Russia on the country's western border.

The dictator said this was in response to what he said was a clear threat to Belarus from Kyiv and its backers in the West, claiming without evidence that that Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine were training Belarusian 'radicals' for terror attacks, after announcing plans to deploy joint troops with Moscow.

Lukashenko's announcement sparked fury in Europe, with the European Commission urging Belarus to refrain from any involvement in Russia's 'brutal illegitimate undertaking' that violated the United Nations Charter and international law.

Specifically, it told Minsk immediately to stop allowing the territory of Belarus to serve as a launch pad for very recent missile strikes and drone attacks against Ukrainian civilians.  .  .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11299305/Belarus-Lukashenko-announces-deploy-joint-military-task-force-Russia.html




Mussolini is thinking about invading Greece.

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« Reply #567 on: October 11, 2022, 03:19:44 am »
“How I adore our people,” said one of the Ukrainians sharing footage, Lina Molina, calling it proof they are a “nation of invincibles.”

@Hoodat

Russia bit off more than they could chew.

Ukraine responded in the earliest periods of the war with quick, smart, well trained troops. The Orcs never expected that. When the Orcs special forces were killed at the airport and then the convoy on the way to Kyiv was chewed up the Ukrainians became a people who would not be conquered.

At the end of this Russia will not be an aggressor for at least a generation if not longer.
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« Reply #568 on: October 11, 2022, 03:24:14 am »
Is Belarus set to join Ukrainian conflict? Lukashenko announces he will deploy 'joint military task force' with Russia on western border – sparking fury in Europe

CHRIS JEWERS  |  08:37 EDT, 10 October 2022  |  UPDATED: 20:36 EDT, 10 October 2022


Fears were raised today that Belarus could join the conflict in Ukraine after President Alexander Lukashenko announced he will deploy a 'joint military task force' with Russia on the country's western border.

The dictator said this was in response to what he said was a clear threat to Belarus from Kyiv and its backers in the West, claiming without evidence that that Lithuania, Poland and Ukraine were training Belarusian 'radicals' for terror attacks, after announcing plans to deploy joint troops with Moscow.

Lukashenko's announcement sparked fury in Europe, with the European Commission urging Belarus to refrain from any involvement in Russia's 'brutal illegitimate undertaking' that violated the United Nations Charter and international law.

Specifically, it told Minsk immediately to stop allowing the territory of Belarus to serve as a launch pad for very recent missile strikes and drone attacks against Ukrainian civilians.  .  .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11299305/Belarus-Lukashenko-announces-deploy-joint-military-task-force-Russia.html




Mussolini is thinking about invading Greece.

If he attacks it will be the end of him. If we've learned one thing it's that the Orcs are not only poorly trained, poorly led and poorly equipped. The Belarussian army is even less prepared.
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« Reply #569 on: October 11, 2022, 03:39:47 am »
@Hoodat

Russia bit off more than they could chew.

Ukraine responded in the earliest periods of the war with quick, smart, well trained troops. The Orcs never expected that. When the Orcs special forces were killed at the airport and then the convoy on the way to Kyiv was chewed up the Ukrainians became a people who would not be conquered.

Russia launched this war with a fifteen day plan.  And nine months later, they are still operating off of that fifteen day plan.  Just dump more soldiers in, and the Ukrainians will be overwhelmed.

At no point have the Russians taken a step back and began preparations for an extended conflict.  They continue on as if Kyiv will capitulate any day now with zero contingency for replacements and equipment.
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« Reply #570 on: October 11, 2022, 06:12:17 am »
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A little thing called a "World War".

That sort of thing happens when one nation is allowed to attack and occupy a weaker nation with no downside to them.

We're the ones funding and accelerating a World War using Ukraine.  Are you saying World War is our national interest @sneakypete ??

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« Reply #571 on: October 11, 2022, 06:14:47 am »
Putting a stop to bullies, standing up for human rights, and demonstrating to the world that we will not tolerate despots who violate the sovereignty of peaceful nations with zero regard for human life.

This is the excuse.  What is the threatened US national interest?

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« Reply #572 on: October 11, 2022, 06:16:44 am »
Your question has been answered multiple times by numerous posters here.  And without fail, you ignored every single response.

My question has not been answered.

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« Reply #573 on: October 11, 2022, 12:17:10 pm »
My question has not been answered.

Yes it has.  And you willfully chose to ignore the answer.
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« Reply #574 on: October 11, 2022, 12:22:00 pm »
This is the excuse.  What is the threatened US national interest?

Peace has always been the US national interest.  And only Russia stands in the way of that.
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