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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #525 on: October 10, 2022, 12:40:43 am »
So why not allow the borders to reflect the reality of two separate and distinct countries instead of fighting a war over it @sneakypete ?

Because Russia won't allow that.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #526 on: October 10, 2022, 01:26:07 am »
I'd be more inclined to ask the US State Department and Pentagon @sneakypete  ----- but in this moment I was enjoying a chat with YOU.   happy77

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Well,it IS kinda flattering that you think I can influence Neo-Soviet policy.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #527 on: October 10, 2022, 01:27:08 am »
Obviously, it would justify our invasion of Canada, the wanton bombing of Canadian civilian structures, the torture, rape, and murder of Canadian citizens, and the annexation of whatever territory we think has the most oil on it.

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Whatever it takes to keep them out of the US.

After all,look at who they keep voting for in Canada.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #528 on: October 10, 2022, 02:02:28 am »
@Right_in_Virginia

Well,it IS kinda flattering that you think I can influence Neo-Soviet policy.

I never said *that*  @sneakypete  :laugh:  ---  I was simply interested in your opinion and thoughts.   :shrug:

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #529 on: October 10, 2022, 02:19:06 am »
So why not allow the borders to reflect the reality of two separate and distinct countries instead of fighting a war over it @sneakypete ?
You are right. New York, you're on your own.
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« Reply #530 on: October 10, 2022, 02:24:46 am »
I just saw more surveillance videos of the Kerch bridge explosion.  The explosion did not come from that truck.  The videos showed the inspection of the truck before crossing, and another showed the location of the truck at the time of explosion was already 50 yards or so ahead of the point of explosion.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #531 on: October 10, 2022, 02:46:55 am »
I just saw more surveillance videos of the Kerch bridge explosion.  The explosion did not come from that truck.  The videos showed the inspection of the truck before crossing, and another showed the location of the truck at the time of explosion was already 50 yards or so ahead of the point of explosion.
Got links?
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #532 on: October 10, 2022, 03:02:19 am »
Got links?

Try this.  It is a live stream that should still be going.  Start watching about 14 min from the beginning.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6ltMCxKOPU

The actual videos are posted on Reddit, but I have no clue where to find them.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #533 on: October 10, 2022, 11:19:13 am »
Mystery 'wave' is seen under Crimea bridge before explosion

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Video shows mystery 'wave' under Crimea bridge just before it was blown up killing three: Speculation grows that Ukraine used a boat or explosive-laden drone - despite Russian claims of truck bomb - as attack threatens Putin's supply lines


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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #534 on: October 10, 2022, 01:11:01 pm »
Orcs will be orcs:


Putin's wrath unleashed: 83 Russian missiles are fired at Ukrainian cities, bringing death and destruction across the country - with Vladimir warning there will be a 'severe' response to further 'attacks'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE  and DAN SALES FOR MAILONLINE
10 October 2022

Vladimir Putin has vowed a 'severe' response to attacks on Russia after firing dozens of missiles at Ukraine this morning, blowing up power networks and killing civilians in retaliation for the Crimean bridge blast at the weekend.

At least 83 rockets were fired, Ukraine's military said, with half shot down but half slamming into cities across the country. At least ten people were killed and 60 wounded, Ukraine said, with eight of those deaths and 24 injuries in Kyiv alone. Rockets also hit the German consulate, but the building was empty.

A mixture of missiles and Iranian-made suicide drones were used to strike the cities of Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine, northern Kharkiv and Sumy, central Zhytomyr and Vinnytsia, and even far-western Ternopil and Lviv, President Volodymyr Zelensky said. Some of these cities have not been hit in months.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11298407/Missile-strikes-hit-Kyiv-Putin-pledged-revenge-Crimea-bridge-blast.html

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« Reply #535 on: October 10, 2022, 01:20:59 pm »
Orcs will be orcs:


Putin's wrath unleashed: 83 Russian missiles are fired at Ukrainian cities, bringing death and destruction across the country - with Vladimir warning there will be a 'severe' response to further 'attacks'

By CHRIS PLEASANCE  and DAN SALES FOR MAILONLINE
10 October 2022

Vladimir Putin has vowed a 'severe' response to attacks on Russia after firing dozens of missiles at Ukraine this morning, blowing up power networks and killing civilians in retaliation for the Crimean bridge blast at the weekend.

At least 83 rockets were fired, Ukraine's military said, with half shot down but half slamming into cities across the country. At least ten people were killed and 60 wounded, Ukraine said, with eight of those deaths and 24 injuries in Kyiv alone. Rockets also hit the German consulate, but the building was empty.

A mixture of missiles and Iranian-made suicide drones were used to strike the cities of Dnipro and Zaporizhzhia in southern Ukraine, northern Kharkiv and Sumy, central Zhytomyr and Vinnytsia, and even far-western Ternopil and Lviv, President Volodymyr Zelensky said. Some of these cities have not been hit in months.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11298407/Missile-strikes-hit-Kyiv-Putin-pledged-revenge-Crimea-bridge-blast.html

@Kamaji

What a freaking sissy-boy!

He can't take on the Ukranian Army,so he attacks the innocent non-combatants in the cities!

How many women and  children did you murder today,you cowardly punk!

Then again,this should be no surprise. After all,this wuss spent his entire career as an officer in the KGB,where his job was to ORDER the round up and torture innocent civilians,including women and children. He had to order it done because he wasn't man enough to take on unarmed women and children.

The song "Macho Man" by "The Village People" should be playing in the background anytime a video of him is aired.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #536 on: October 10, 2022, 01:36:42 pm »
@Kamaji

What a freaking sissy-boy!

He can't take on the Ukranian Army,so he attacks the innocent non-combatants in the cities!

How many women and  children did you murder today,you cowardly punk!

Then again,this should be no surprise. After all,this wuss spent his entire career as an officer in the KGB,where his job was to ORDER the round up and torture innocent civilians,including women and children. He had to order it done because he wasn't man enough to take on unarmed women and children.

The song "Macho Man" by "The Village People" should be playing in the background anytime a video of him is aired.

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #537 on: October 10, 2022, 02:40:14 pm »

Putin's wrath unleashed: 83 Russian missiles are fired at Ukrainian cities, bringing death and destruction across the country - with Vladimir warning there will be a 'severe' response to further 'attacks'

Vladimir Putin has vowed a 'severe' response to attacks on Russia after firing dozens of missiles at Ukraine this morning, blowing up power networks and killing civilians in retaliation for the Crimean bridge blast at the weekend.

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The blast and fire sent part of the 12-mile Kerch Strait Bridge tumbling into the sea and killed at least three people, according to the Russian authorities. A senior Ukrainian official corroborated Russian reports that Ukraine was behind the attack. The official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of a government ban on discussing the blast, added that Ukraine’s intelligence services had orchestrated the explosion, using a bomb loaded onto a truck being driven across the bridge.

More:  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/08/world/europe/ukraine-crimea-bridge-explosion.html 

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #538 on: October 10, 2022, 02:45:40 pm »
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« Reply #539 on: October 10, 2022, 02:58:55 pm »
It takes time and organization to booby trap as you withdraw. I get the impression that the Russians who are withdrawing have neither so much. Without documentation, mines or booby traps become as much a hazard for the Russians should they advance again.
And there remains the optics of leaving things behind kids might set off.

I learned the difference between a rout and a retreat recently. In a rout the soldiers drop everything and just run, or drive away as fast as possible. In a retreat the soldiers withdraw in an organized manner creating as many defensive barriers as possible.
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« Reply #540 on: October 10, 2022, 03:06:25 pm »
I just saw more surveillance videos of the Kerch bridge explosion.  The explosion did not come from that truck.  The videos showed the inspection of the truck before crossing, and another showed the location of the truck at the time of explosion was already 50 yards or so ahead of the point of explosion.

I've seen a couple people analyze the video and bridge construction and they are all saying it had to come from underneath the bridge. The point they make is that the bridge elements would not have been pushed up and off the posts they rest on if the explosion was on top. I don't know how the train catches on fire though from an explosion under the bridge, unless there were two different devices synced up.

However they did it, it sure was pretty slick.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #541 on: October 10, 2022, 03:37:12 pm »
Why is Randi Weingarten, head of the teachers' union, in Ukraine? More important, is she wearing a mask? Will she organize a drag queen event for little Ukrainian schoolchildren?
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Randi Weingarten 🇺🇦🇺🇸💪🏿👩‍🎓
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Woke up this am to reports of disgusting Russian missile strikes in Kyiv, Lviv & other cities.Heading to the border now to assess the situation. This Russian attempt to frighten civilians & the effect on children (who are learning online today) is why this 🇺🇦 trip is so important
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Crossing into #Ukraine

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« Reply #544 on: October 10, 2022, 10:02:54 pm »
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« Reply #545 on: October 10, 2022, 10:06:56 pm »
G-7 leaders to hold emergency meeting on Ukraine; Russian missile strikes draw angry condemnation

Amanda Macias, Rocio Fabbro, Natasha Turak  |  MON, OCT 10 20225:47 PM EDT


The leaders of the G-7 group of the world’s most developed economies will hold an emergency meeting Tuesday to discuss Russia’s war in Ukraine, following coordinated Russian missile strikes on civilians targets in cities across the country.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is also expected to speak at the meeting, which will be held over secure video.

Top officials in the United States, European Union and at the United Nations expressed shock and horror Monday over the strikes, which Zelenskyy said had killed at least 14 people and injured 97 more.

President Joe Biden said the attacks “once again demonstrate the utter brutality” of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war on Ukraine.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres was “shocked” by the attacks, saying through a spokesman that they represented an escalation of the war.

In addition to the human toll, the strikes damaged significant parts of Ukraine’s energy grid, prompting the nation’s energy ministry to announce it would halt exports of electricity to the European Union starting Tuesday.

Russia’s missile strikes came just two days after a blast destroyed part of Russia’s Kerch Bridge, the only bridge linking Russia to the Crimean peninsula, which Moscow illegally annexed in 2014.  .  .  .

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/10/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html



Putin's war on Ukrainian civilians continues unabated.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #546 on: October 10, 2022, 10:53:01 pm »
'Everyone's Drunk. No Uniforms. No Food.' Inside The Confusion Greeting Some Of Russia's Newly Mobilized Troops

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-mobilization-chaos-deaths-ukraine/32072319.html

Four days after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the order to mobilize hundreds of thousands of men to fight in Ukraine, Aleksandr Koltun, a 35-year-old father of six, showed up at the local draft board office in the Siberian city of Bratsk and presented himself for service.

He, and a batch of other conscripts, were sent later that day to Novosibirsk for further preparations for deployment.

Nine days later, his relatives said, he was dead.

"My daughter-in-law…told me, she called me in tears in the middle of the night and said that Sasha had died," Koltun's mother, Yelena Gudo, said, using Aleksandr's familiar, affectionate name.

Russia is continuing to ramp up its mobilization efforts, a massive campaign aimed at shoring up the faltering, seven-month war in Ukraine and, by extension, the credibility of the Kremlin. Tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of Russians are being called up under the process.

By all accounts, the process has been chaotic and haphazard.

Newly mobilized soldiers -- known colloquially in Russian as mobiki -- have reported being left without food and water while awaiting orders; videos have shown logistics officers telling new conscripts to buy their own equipment, or take first-aid supplies from their own home medicine cabinets -- or even their wives' personal sanitary supplies. Soldiers have taken to posting videos on Russian social networks complaining about the conditions and disorganization.

The process has also seen a small, but growing number of fatalities. At least 16 people have died, according to news reports and activists, since Putin made the announcement on September 21.

Many of the deaths have been reported as suicides. Others, like Koltun's, are unexplained, and his relatives fear they will never find out how he died.

"What really happened there, we still don't know," she told RFE/RL's Siberia Realities.

'All Mothers Need To Think Before Sending Their Sons There'

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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #547 on: October 10, 2022, 11:02:30 pm »
I've seen a couple people analyze the video and bridge construction and they are all saying it had to come from underneath the bridge. The point they make is that the bridge elements would not have been pushed up and off the posts they rest on if the explosion was on top. I don't know how the train catches on fire though from an explosion under the bridge, unless there were two different devices synced up.

However they did it, it sure was pretty slick.


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IF the train was carrying gasoline,diesel fuel,coal,or any other flamable,the heat from the explosion below it would set it off.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #548 on: October 10, 2022, 11:04:42 pm »
Why is Randi Weingarten, head of the teachers' union, in Ukraine? More important, is she wearing a mask? Will she organize a drag queen event for little Ukrainian schoolchildren?

@mountaineer

Good question.

Unless he went there to do a write up about the "tremendous positive effect the Biden administration had saving Ukraine from the Russia invasion",I can't begin to guess.
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Re: Ukraine 3
« Reply #549 on: October 10, 2022, 11:06:28 pm »


@Right_in_Virginia

You mean we live in a vacuum where nothing that happens anywhere else in the universe affects America?

Good to know!

BTW,there may be minor traces of sarcasm in the above post.
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