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Russian Defense Minister is saying that they have successfully evacuated all their troops (2 brigades) from Lyman.

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Russian Defense Minister is saying that they have successfully evacuated all their troops (2 brigades) from Lyman.

You can always count on the Russian Defense Minister to tell the truth.


Even if they had a path to evacuate, I think most Russian soldiers would rather surrender than to go back in the grinder in another place. Winter is coming and the soldiers know it. No food. No supplies. No medicine. There comes a time when you have to face reality.

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Russia, under Putin, is marching into its' own destruction. Everybody in the world see this. Three hundred thousand 'conscripts' cannot be fed and kept warm. Never attack Russia in winter? ... has become ... Never attack Ukraine in winter. Those guys are going to surrender or die. There is a zero chance that Putin will conquer all of Ukraine. The more Russian bodies he throws into the cauldron of defeat, the more he loses.

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And the  more likely we will see "The Russian Revolution,Part 2".

The typical Russian citizen of today is not as ignorant of foreign affairs as his or her grandfather was,and there IS a limit to how much the typical Russian citizen is going to put up with before they take to the streets in huge numbers.

I would not be even a tiny bit surprised to see this start to happen within the next 30 days.

Russians may have been willing to see their young men and women die defending "Holy Mother Russia" during WW-2 because they were mostly ignorant as to the true facts that led up to it,AND the fact that the Nazi's DID INVADE Russia,giving them no choice but to fight.

NONE of those conditions exist today,and nobody is even pretending they exist.

Pooty Poot is in BIG trouble!

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He went on to say that any Russian who dies in Ukraine will get 72 virgins to bleep in the afterlife.

@240B

"Gimmie dat old-time Religion........"

[Hoodat]

So which Russian general gave the order to withdraw?


Ukrainian Troops Fight to Take Full Control of Lyman, as Russians Attempt to Withdraw

Yaroslav Trofimov and Ian Lovett   |   Oct. 1, 2022  |  6:00 pm ET

KOLODYAZI, Ukraine—Fighting continued around the eastern Ukrainian town of Lyman Saturday night, despite Russian claims to have withdrawn from the city.

Artillery and multiple-launch rocket systems thundered into the night, and two pairs of fighter jets could be seen launching flares as they provided close air support.

Russia had kept several thousand troops in the city, and the continuing violence suggested that some—if not most—of these soldiers may have remained trapped. Roads to Lyman are lined with burned-out hulks of Russian tanks and armored vehicles, with bodies of Russian soldiers lying on the sides.  .  .

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-says-russia-kidnapped-head-of-nuclear-plant-11664632063

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Furious conscripts turn on their commander: Top officer 'is beaten after telling reservists ''you are all cannon fodder, you are facing slaughter'' as video shows punch-up in make-shift barracks

WILL STEWART and WALTER FINCH  |  PUBLISHED: 05:01 EDT, 30 September 2022

A top Russian officer reportedly had his face 'smashed' during a brawl with furious conscripts after telling them their lives were going to be thrown away on the front lines in Ukraine.

The mobilised recruits turned on the Russian lieutenant-colonel after he bluntly said: 'You are all cannon fodder, you are facing slaughter.'

The high-ranking officer had bones in his face broken in a brawl in which 'every single one of them was drunk', say reports.

Many of the reservists - among hundreds of thousands thrown into the war under a Vladimir Putin decree - were left distraught after being told they will die at the front.

However, the commander was likely being accurate in saying the Putin call-up will lead to mass deaths of untrained reservists sent to the front.

It is just the latest tale of chaos, fighting and drunkenness among newly mobilised Russian conscripts, with reports of many being sent to front lines with little or zero training while being told to buy their own supplies and equipment.

Russian officers - often themselves conscripted - have been advising new recruits to bring their own sleeping bags, tourniquets, medicines and roll mats.  .  .

.  .  .  Meanwhile, another piece of footage showed what appeared to be a female quartermaster talking to new recruits and advising them to bring tampons.

The sanitary products can be used to plug bullet wounds and stop bleeding in the absence of medical kit, the woman tells the new recruits.

'They won't give it to us?' one of the new recruits asks.

'It's all our own, boys,' the woman shouts back. 'You will be given a uniform and armour, nothing else.'

Yet further videos have emerged showing a newly-recruited tank commander who has been told he will deploy to the Kherson frontline in just two days without so much as firing a shot on a training range.

More footage captures two troops sitting in a field in Ukraine and complaining that they have been abandoned by their commanders without food or water, and that they would be better off fighting for the other side.

These are just the latest examples of poor morale and preparation within the Russian ranks after Putin's army exhausted itself in seven months of war in Ukraine.  .  .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11265915/Furious-conscripts-turn-commander-officer-beaten-saying-cannon-fodder.html


Videos at link.

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"The high-ranking officer had bones in his face broken in a brawl in which 'every single one of them was drunk', say reports."

This corresponds with other reports. The conscripts are being given vodka to keep them happy and calm before deployment to the front. In fact, some of them were so drunk when they reported, they needed help to get on the bus taking them to fight. If the officer was as drunk as the conscripts (likely) and started drunk talking about how they were all going to die, then he deserved to get his ass kicked. And he did.

Instead of giving them warm weather gear and critical medical supplies, Russia is giving them vodka and hoping they will be too drunk to worry about it. It makes no sense to me to send untrained unequipped civilians to the front lines to be killed. But for whatever reason no one understands why, that is what Russia has decided to do.

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"The high-ranking officer had bones in his face broken in a brawl in which 'every single one of them was drunk', say reports."

This corresponds with other reports. The conscripts are being given vodka to keep them happy and calm before deployment to the front. In fact, some of them were so drunk when they reported, they needed help to get on the bus taking them to fight. If the officer was as drunk as the conscripts (likely) and started drunk talking about how they were all going to die, then he deserved to get his ass kicked. And he did.

Instead of giving them warm weather gear and critical medical supplies, Russia is giving them vodka and hoping they will be too drunk to worry about it. It makes no sense to me to send untrained unequipped civilians to the front lines to be killed. But for whatever reason no one understands why, that is what Russia has decided to do.

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This is what the Soviets have always done. In WW-2 they had what they called "blocking squads" following the attacking Soviet troops,and their job was to shoot anyone who tried to retreat.

They also would send the second wave in unarmed right behind the first wave. Their job was to pick up the weapons the first wave dropped after being killed,and use them to continue the attack.

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@240B

This is what the Soviets have always done. In WW-2 they had what they called "blocking squads" following the attacking Soviet troops,and their job was to shoot anyone who tried to retreat.

They also would send the second wave in unarmed right behind the first wave. Their job was to pick up the weapons the first wave dropped after being killed,and use them to continue the attack.

Not going to work in modern warfare. It sucks to be the fodder.

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After the fall of Lyman, Zarichne and Torske, Ukraine is already attacking the Russians in Kreminna. The new offensive is moving fast.

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Ukraine's slow encirclement of Lyman allowed Russian forces only one escape route.  Here is a video showing that escape route.  Better to meet your opponent moving on an open road than to attack defended city positions.

Russian convoy fleeing Ukraine:

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Ukrainian Forces Are Advancing In Southern Ukraine

David Axe  |  Oct 2, 2022  |  05:02pm EDT

Just a day after liberating Lyman, a key supply hub for Russian forces in eastern Ukraine, Ukrainian forces are on the move in the south, too. As in Lyman, Russian troops increasingly are cut off from resupply—and in acute danger of encirclement.

With each successive phase of their twin counteroffensives that kicked off in the south and east a month ago, the Ukrainians are refining a strategy for defeating a Russian army that, on paper, is bigger along many sectors of the front.

That strategy requires patience, discipline and precision, three qualities that have come to define Ukrainian operations as Russia’s wider war on Ukraine grinds into its eighth month.

The Ukrainians first use long-range rockets to sever Russian supply lines and disrupt command, then probe Russian defenses for weak spots before exploiting these weaknesses and penetrating into the Russians’ rear areas, triggering a rout that ends with the Russians retreating from huge swathes of territory and abandoning enormous quantities of usable equipment.

Ukraine’s Operational Command South began its counterlogistics campaign back in May, shortly after receiving new American-made howitzers and wheeled High-Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems. For more than three months, the Ukrainians targeted bridges, railways, supply dumps and command centers in and around Kherson.  .  .

.  .  .  The drumbeat of Ukrainian losses in the south—scores of trucks, fighting vehicles and tanks and even a priceless Su-24 bomber—underscored the intensity of the fighting.

But the Russians appeared to be losing more people and equipment than the Ukrainians were losing. And, perhaps more importantly, Ukrainian supply lines in the south were intact while Russian supply lines were fraying under relentless attacks by Ukrainian rocketeers and gunners.

It took longer for Ukrainian forces to break through Russian lines in the south than in the east. That breakthrough reportedly occurred on Sunday. Videos from the front confirm Ukrainian troops rolling into Zolota Balka and Khreshchenivka, along the right bank of the three-mile-wide Dnipro River. There were reports the Ukrainians had reached as far as Dudchany and were driving Russian troops to Beryslav.

If confirmed, that means the Ukrainians have penetrated as deep as 15 miles into territory the Russians still held as recently as last week. Worse for the Russians, the Ukrainians are in a position to surround Russian units on the western side of the Dnipro, eventually trapping them between Ukrainian positions and the wide river. “Not a good place for the [Russians] to be,” mused Mark Hertling, a retired U.S. Army general.  .  .

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/10/02/ukrainian-forces-are-advancing-in-southern-ukraine/

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From Dudchany, Ukrainian forces will be able to attack the rear of the Russian forces that threaten Bakhmut.

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Ukraine's slow encirclement of Lyman allowed Russian forces only one escape route.  Here is a video showing that escape route.  Better to meet your opponent moving on an open road than to attack defended city positions.

Russian convoy fleeing Ukraine:

Classic anti-convoy/column tactic. Take out the front and rear vehicles, trap the rest in the middle. Choke points an places where off road is impassable are best. Perfect tactics.

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Ukraine's slow encirclement of Lyman allowed Russian forces only one escape route.  Here is a video showing that escape route.  Better to meet your opponent moving on an open road than to attack defended city positions.

Russian convoy fleeing Ukraine:

Now it makes a lot of sense why the Ukrainians didn't rush to surround Lyman.

I know I should feel pity for the Orcs, but I don't after seeing all the atrocities they've committed.

It now sounds like the same strategy is working in the south.

[Smokin Joe]

Now it makes a lot of sense why the Ukrainians didn't rush to surround Lyman.

I know I should feel pity for the Orcs, but I don't after seeing all the atrocities they've committed.

It now sounds like the same strategy is working in the south.

I once wondered why Patton wasn't allowed to cut off the 'bulge' and surround the German Army.

What made sense is that until that army was completely and utterly defeated, it would be back as a problem. If that meant killing more pushing them back than were allowed to surrender in an enveloped pocket, so be it.

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Ukrainian troops 'break through Russian lines' near Kherson and continue advancing in the east - as Putin loses ground in three out of four regions he annexed last week

By CHRIS PLEASANCE FOR MAILONLINE
3 October 2022

Ukrainian forces are advancing in the south and may have scored a major breakthrough of Russian lines as they also take more territory in the east.

Kyiv's troops are attacking down the west bank of the Dnipro River and have taken the town of  Zolota Balka, it was reported Monday, amid claims from pro-Kremlin sources that troops had retreated as far as Dudchany, around 15 miles further south.

It comes after the key city of Lyman, in Donetsk, was captured by Ukrainian forces at the weekend, with Kyiv's commanders saying troops are now attacking the town of Kreminna, in neighbouring Luhansk.

It means that Putin's troops are now losing ground in three out of the four Ukrainian regions he annexed last week - declaring that any attack on them would be considered an attack on Russia and may trigger a nuclear response.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11274353/Ukrainian-troops-break-Russian-lines-near-Kherson.html

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGNYCCdatL0

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DOMINIC LAWSON: Russia's forces are approaching mutiny - and when that happens, Vladimir Putin goes the way of the Tsars

By DOMINIC LAWSON FOR THE DAILY MAIL
2 October 2022

Few nations have as deep a sense of their own history as the Russians. Indeed, it was on the basis of a tendentious tract about the historic 'unity' of Russians and Ukrainians that President Putin justified his invasion of an independent neighbouring state.

But another word, also with great resonance in Russian history, now hangs over the Kremlin's flailing military campaign. And that word is: Mutiny.

Remarkably, it was raised on Moscow's main TV channel last week by the woman described as Putin's propagandist-in-chief, Margarita Simonyan, during the nightly discussion programme on the state of the 'special military operation'.

The striking-looking Simonyan is the head of RT, the Kremlin's English-language broadcasting network (now banned in the UK); but here she was speaking to a Russian audience.

She was raging about the incompetence with which Putin's 'partial mobilisation', announced on September 21, was being carried out, and the gross inadequacy of the provisions being supplied to the hundreds of thousands being called up to fight: 'Students, people with serious illnesses, single mothers, people as old as 62 . . . and being handed rotten things, no helmets or body armour.'

Criticism

She warned the heads of the armed forces: 'Comrade Commanders: don't anger the people!'

And now came the reference to historic precedent. Simonyan told the 'commanders' to remember the mutiny on the Battleship Potemkin during the Russo-Japanese war of 1905, which was provoked by the fact that all the meat available to the crew had been maggot-infested.

'Let me remind you that in 1905, small things like that led to the first mutiny of an entire military unit in the history of our country. Is that what you want?'

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11273587/DOMINIC-LAWSON-Russias-forces-approaching-mutiny.html

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Just heard an unconfirmed report that Putin has redrawn the lines of his annexation to exclude the city of Lyman.
Now that Ukraine controls Lyman, Putin does not want to admit to part of Russian territory was conquered from him.

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I once wondered why Patton wasn't allowed to cut off the 'bulge' and surround the German Army.

What made sense is that until that army was completely and utterly defeated, it would be back as a problem. If that meant killing more pushing them back than were allowed to surrender in an enveloped pocket, so be it.

@Smokin Joe

I have always figured that Truman was of the opinion that the Nazi's were already beaten anyhow,so why risk getting more American soldiers killed when the Russians would be happy to do all the killing and dying?

Communists have NEVER given a damn about their own casualities as long as no one in the leadership was ever put at risk.

NEVER.

The NKVD "Blocking Squads" were all the proof of this that anyone needed.

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I once wondered why Patton wasn't allowed to cut off the 'bulge' and surround the German Army.

What made sense is that until that army was completely and utterly defeated, it would be back as a problem. If that meant killing more pushing them back than were allowed to surrender in an enveloped pocket, so be it.

Great points!

I'm really hoping that at the end of this war Russia will not only not have the capacity to threaten their neighbors and the world, but also will no longer have the desire to wage war. The last I heard apprx. 300,000 men in their 20's have fled Russia. If true it's devastating. They are not only getting pounded by a smarter and more nimble Ukrainian army, but these men are in the age group that produce children and they already have a declining population. 

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"We are closer than you think."