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[sneakypete]

But yet they refuse to accept this obvious truth,  .....

@Timber Rattler

They can't,because what happens in a police state when the "police" lose power and authority is that the officals who have been abusing their authority and powers for generations end up being hanged from street lamps.

Ain't no such critter as "retreating to your country home to enjoy retirement after leaving public office" for dictators.

Of course,this doesn't really apply to Pooty Poot. He owns what has been reported to be the "biggest yacht in the world",and given all the money he has "diverted' from the Soviet coffers over
the years,has enough money to sail the "7 seas for the rest of his life".

Providing,of course,that he can get out of Russia in one piece.

[DB]

Yes, some members of my family are like this. They would never vote for a Democrat, in fact they think the Democrats and socialists (but I repeat myself) are destroying the country. But they also think that Putin is literally "defending the faith" against the evil WEF globalists. I think this idea is being spread by  video preachers and conspiracy types on Rumble and other places online.  The same kind of people who believed the Q-Anon conspiracies and were just waiting for the military to return Trump to the presidency two years ago. 

Yes to all of the above.

[DefiantMassRINO]

Putin uses conservative Russian religious and values as a wedge issue to unite a sizable political constituency in opposition to smaller, fratcured poltical opposition.

Putin bears the mantle of traditional Russian Orthodx values because its to his political advantage to do so.  The Soviets taught Putin that religion is the opiate of the masses.  So, Putin deals religion to the masses like a drug.

Putin doesn't give a damn about the words of Jesus Christ in the Gospels.  Traditional Christian values are a convenient means to a desired poltical end - more power for Putin.

Would a person of true Christian Faith intentionally murder men, women, and children in a war of military agression?

[mystery-ak]

Gen. Mark Milley: ‘Very, Very Difficult’ to Eject Russian Forces from Ukraine This Year

Gen. Mark Milley acknowledged on Friday that it would be “very, very difficult” for Ukrainian forces to “eject” Russian forces from all of Ukraine this year.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/01/21/gen-mark-milley-very-very-difficult-to-eject-russian-forces-ukraine-this-year/

[Hoodat]

Gen. Mark Milley: ‘Very, Very Difficult’ to Eject Russian Forces from Ukraine This Year

This coming from someone who is intentionally dragging this war out as long as possible, and who has already actively stood in the way of Ukraine receiving weaponry that could end this conflict sooner rather than later.  Think of the losses that Russia would have suffered had not Milley and Austin blocked MiG-29 transfers to Ukraine last summer.

[Timber Rattler]

Milley's been a "half-empty/land for peace" kind of guy from the start, in terms of Ukraine's ability to defend itself, so I take what he says with a grain of salt.  The U.S. EURCOM commander General Chris Cavoli is on the scene and his opinion carries more weight in my opinion. 

https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/1896733/general-christopher-g-cavoli/

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2023-01-19/tanks-nato-germany-cavoli-8818134.html

https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2023-01-10/nato-eucom-russia-cavoli-8711246.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/us/politics/pentagon-command-ukraine.html

[Bigun]

Milley's been a "half-empty/land for peace" kind of guy from the start, in terms of Ukraine's ability to defend itself, so I take what he says with a grain of salt.  The U.S. EURCOM commander General Chris Cavoli is on the scene and his opinion carries more weight in my opinion. 

https://www.defense.gov/About/Biographies/Biography/Article/1896733/general-christopher-g-cavoli/

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2023-01-19/tanks-nato-germany-cavoli-8818134.html

https://www.stripes.com/branches/army/2023-01-10/nato-eucom-russia-cavoli-8711246.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/29/us/politics/pentagon-command-ukraine.html

Milley is a treasonous bastard who, by all rights, should be facing a firing squad.

[240B]

Milley is a treasonous bastard who, by all rights, should be facing a firing squad.

True. Between America with Trump or Communist China, Milley joined up with China.

Just from all the Taliban 2.0 crap (new American allies) coming from Milley and Austin, they are both either liars or incredibly naïve and stupid. Either way, they are not to be taken seriously.

[Hoodat]

Milley is a treasonous bastard who, by all rights, should be facing a firing squad.

I prefer hanging.  Firing squads should be reserved for those exhibiting courage in the face of danger.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.  And at the same time, one does not need to sell their soul to the WEF to oppose Putin.

There you go, now. Don't you know our wannabe overlords just love false dichotomies?

Heads they win, tails you lose...

[sneakypete]

Milley is a treasonous bastard who, by all rights, should be facing a firing squad.

@Bigun

Yeah.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

You don't know what you're talking about.

They're hardcore Trump supporters and they've never voted for a Dim in their lives (the specific people I was talking about).

They're just misguided on this particular issue. There's at least one examples here of the same beliefs.

I don't doubt it.  As I said, there are quite a few folks at TOS who fit that description.  They don't see left/right at all -  they divide everyone into "nationalist" or "globalist", which I think is a very wacky way to view things, but that's what some of them do.  So if there is a strong nationalist leader, that's who they root for.  Regardless of nationality.

[sneakypete]

I don't doubt it.  As I said, there are quite a few folks at TOS who fit that description.  They don't see left/right at all -  they divide everyone into "nationalist" or "globalist", which I think is a very wacky way to view things, but that's what some of them do.  So if there is a strong nationalist leader, that's who they root for.  Regardless of nationality.

@Maj. Bill Martin

"Nationalism" is a very good thing IF there are limits put on it. Extreme Nationalism is also known as Nazism,which is really just a different version of communism.

Seems like there are an awful lot of people running around these days who have never heard of "moderation",or for some odd reason seem to think it is a dirty word.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@sneakypete

@Maj. Bill Martin

"Nationalism" is a very good thing IF there are limits put on it. Extreme Nationalism is also known as Nazism,which is really just a different version of communism.

Seems like there are an awful lot of people running around these days who have never heard of "moderation",or for some odd reason seem to think it is a dirty word.

I think nationalism is more or less neutral -- it's pretty much dependent on what values that nation stands for.  And that's where "progressivism v. conservatism" comes in.

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete

I think nationalism is more or less neutral -- it's pretty much dependent on what values that nation stands for.  And that's where "progressivism v. conservatism" comes in.

@Maj. Bill Martin

Ok,I can't argue with that,but I was writing more about the basic nature of selfish people to screw up pretty much anything if you don't keep them in check.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

Ok,I can't argue with that,but I was writing more about the basic nature of selfish people to screw up pretty much anything if you don't keep them in check.

Good point!

[Elderberry]

Germany won’t block Poland from giving Ukraine tanks

The German government will not object if Poland decides to send Leopard 2 battle tanks to Ukraine, Germany’s top diplomat said Sunday, indicating movement on supplying weapons that Kyiv has described as essential to its ability to fend off an intensified Russian offensive.

German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock told French TV channel LCI that Poland has not formally asked for Berlin’s approval to share some of its German-made Leopards but added “if we were asked, we would not stand in the way.”

German officials “know how important these tanks are” and “this is why we are discussing this now with our partners,” Baerbock said in interview clips posted by LCI.

More: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-01-22/minister-germany-wont-block-poland-giving-ukraine-tanks

[Elderberry]

Russia warns of retaliation against West over providing Ukraine with powerful weapons

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-russia-warns-retaliation-west-over-ukraine-20230123-ge3jhzrc4rblha2kwwteeiewna-story.html

Russia threatened to retaliate against the U.S. and other Western nations if they provide more powerful weapons to Ukraine, warning on Sunday that stepped-up military aid from allies would trigger a “global catastrophe.”

Supporters of Ukraine made new pledges worth billions of dollars in armored vehicles, air defense systems and other arms to the embattled European nation late last week, although their promises stopped short of sending German-made battle tanks that Kyiv specifically requested.

“Supplies of offensive weapons to the Kyiv regime would lead to a global catastrophe,” said State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of Russia’s parliament.

“If Washington and NATO supply weapons that would be used for striking peaceful cities and making attempts to seize our territory as they threaten to do, it would trigger a retaliation with more powerful weapons,” he said.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Russia warns of retaliation against West over providing Ukraine with powerful weapons

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-russia-warns-retaliation-west-over-ukraine-20230123-ge3jhzrc4rblha2kwwteeiewna-story.html

Russia threatened to retaliate against the U.S. and other Western nations if they provide more powerful weapons to Ukraine, warning on Sunday that stepped-up military aid from allies would trigger a “global catastrophe.”

What a load of crap.  The Russians aren't nuking anyone just because we give modern tanks to Ukraine.

[240B]

I think that every country in the area, would celebrate to see Moscow on fire.
"Moscow on Fire" is trending. Burn it down. Burn it all down.

[Timber Rattler]

What a load of crap.  The Russians aren't nuking anyone just because we give modern tanks to Ukraine.

I'm sick and tired of Russia's hollow nuclear threats.  They haven't conducted a nuclear test since October 1990, and judging by how poorly maintained the Russian Armed Forced have proven to be over the past year, I doubt if any of their bombs and warheads still work.  They do have a shelf life if not properly maintained.

[sneakypete]

I think that every country in the area, would celebrate to see Moscow on fire.
"Moscow on Fire" is trending. Burn it down. Burn it all down.

@240B

There is nothing wrong with Moscow. It is a beautiful city,full of good people.

Burning it to the ground would only strengthen the death grip the neo-Soviets have on Russia.

Make NO mistake about it,as much as the typical Russian serf hates Communism,they love "Holy Mother Russia" even more.

What the WORLD needs is to see the senior Politiburo members hanging from the walls of the Kremlin,and the message to go out that "Russia is under new management".

AND......for lasting change,the Russians need to do this themselves.

[Kamaji]

Russia warns of retaliation against West over providing Ukraine with powerful weapons

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/ny-russia-warns-retaliation-west-over-ukraine-20230123-ge3jhzrc4rblha2kwwteeiewna-story.html

Russia threatened to retaliate against the U.S. and other Western nations if they provide more powerful weapons to Ukraine, warning on Sunday that stepped-up military aid from allies would trigger a “global catastrophe.”

Supporters of Ukraine made new pledges worth billions of dollars in armored vehicles, air defense systems and other arms to the embattled European nation late last week, although their promises stopped short of sending German-made battle tanks that Kyiv specifically requested.

“Supplies of offensive weapons to the Kyiv regime would lead to a global catastrophe,” said State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin, the speaker of Russia’s parliament.

“If Washington and NATO supply weapons that would be used for striking peaceful cities and making attempts to seize our territory as they threaten to do, it would trigger a retaliation with more powerful weapons,” he said.

[Timber Rattler]

Russia orders Estonia's ambassador to leave, accuses country of 'total Russophobia'

https://www.wionews.com/world/russia-orders-estonias-ambassador-to-leave-accuses-the-country-of-total-russophobia-555125

The diplomatic relations between Russia and Estonia were downgraded on Monday after the latter's ambassador was ordered to leave Russia, as the country was accused of "total Russophobia".

As the Estonian ambassador was expelled, the Russian foreign ministry announced on Monday that the charge d’affaires will head the diplomatic mission of the country.

"The ambassador of the Estonian Republic will have to leave the Russian Federation on February 7," the foreign ministry said in a statement, adding that the diplomatic representation of Estonia will also be downgraded from now.

According to the statement, the measure was adopted after the staff levels were reduced by Estonia at the Russian embassy in Tallinn.

The ministry added that the step was taken in retaliation for Estonia’s “new unfriendly step to radically reduce the size of the Russian Embassy in Tallinn.”

“In recent years, the Estonian leadership has purposefully destroyed the entire range of relations with Russia. Total Russophobia, the cultivation of hostility towards our country have been elevated by Tallinn to the rank of state policy,” read the statement issued by the Russian foreign ministry on Monday.

Earlier this month, the Estonian foreign ministry asked Russia to cut down the number of staff present in the embassy to eight diplomats and 15 technical, service and administrative staff members to “reach parity in embassy staff” by February 1.

EXCERPT.

[Hoodat]

The diplomatic relations between Russia and Estonia were downgraded on Monday after the latter's ambassador was ordered to leave Russia, as the country was accused of "total Russophobia".

With good reason.