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MSNBC’s Alter: Kansas Was a ‘Choice-Quake’– Abortion Could Play ‘Very Large Role’ in Midterms

Pam Key 2 Aug 2022

MSNBC political analyst Jonathan Alter said Tuesday on “MSNBC Prime” that Kansas voters passing “No” on a ballot measure that would have removed language in the state constitution protecting abortion is a “choice-quake.”

Guest-host Ali Velshi said, “What do you make of what you have seen so far tonight?”

Alter said, “I think the big news is ‘choice-quake.’ This issue is going to be huge in the election if, in a state like Kansas, those who favor abortion rights came out in such numbers and won by way more than expected. I mean, by some polls, they were expected to lose narrowly. It was a blowout. And this sends a big message nationally to Democrats.”

He continued, “Now, the red wave theory was already in tatters in the last couple of weeks if you look closely at the polling data. It’s clearly going to be a very competitive election in the fall. There is no red wave. That is history. But what we don’t know is how much of a role abortion is going to play, and tonight was an indication it could play a very large role.”

Alter added, “Now it’s considered likely that the Democrats will gain seats in the Senate, and it is increasingly possible that they will hold the House.”

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2022/08/02/msnbcs-alter-kansas-was-a-choice-quake-abortion-could-play-very-large-role-in-midterms/
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 Kansas voters protect abortion rights in first major post-Roe test
by Caroline Vakil - 08/02/22 10:41 PM ET

Kansas voters were projected to have rejected a ballot measure Tuesday that would give the state legislature the authority to ban abortion, in what was seen as the first major referendum on the Supreme Court’s overturning of Roe v. Wade.

The Associated Press called the results around 10:40 p.m. ET.

The ballot measure is a proposed state constitutional amendment that says the right to an abortion is not protected by the state constitution, effectively reversing a state Supreme Court decision from 2019.

But because the measure failed, that means that the state Supreme Court ruling still stands. Most abortions up until 22 weeks of pregnancy are allowed currently in the state.

The vote rejecting the ballot measure was lauded by Democrats and abortion rights advocates in and out of Kansas.

“Kansans stood up for fundamental rights today. We rejected divisive legislation that jeopardized our economic future & put women’s health care access at risk. Together, we’ll continue to make incredible strides to make KS the best state in the nation to live freely & do business,” Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly (D), who is up for reelection this November, tweeted.

“Today is an enormous victory for people in Kansas who voted to protect their fundamental right to personal and bodily autonomy,” Nancy Northup, president and CEO of the Center for Reproductive Rights, said in a statement.

The vote over the measure came more than a month after the nation’s top court overturned Roe v. Wade, eliminating the constitutional right to an abortion.

A number of states quickly took actions to immediately pass bans to the medical procedure or curb restriction, and the ballot measure in Kansas was widely seen as a bellwether of how voters would react to the high court ruling.

But the date of the ballot measure vote is notable given that Democratic voter turnout has previously been lower during midterm cycles compared to presidential elections, meaning the Aug. 2 election was expected to drive even lower turnout and would be less indicative of how all voters in the state feel on the issue.

Still, it’s no secret that Kansas is a red state, with more than 851,000 registered Republican and more than 495,000 registered Democrats, according to monthly data from the Kansas secretary of state’s office as of July.

Conservative pollster Kristen Soltis Anderson noted, however, that Kansas’ demographics are nuanced when it comes to the matter of abortion.

“With the Kansas abortion amendment vote, just a reminder that there are a sizable number of voters who: -consider themselves pro-life or who would support prohibiting abortion after 15 weeks AND -also believe Roe should be upheld,” she tweeted.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3585090-kansas-voters-reject-abortion-measure-in-victory-for-pro-choice-movement/
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Pro-Lifers Need Not Despair Over Kansas Abortion Setback And Here’s Why
The Federalist, Aug 3, 2022

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That said, pro-lifers need not despair. Since the Dobbs decision, numerous state-level laws have taken effect protecting thousands of preborn children. Furthermore, a recent report by the Guttmacher Institute found that in 11 states where pro-life laws were in effect, 43 abortion facilities were no longer performing abortions. Overall, Guttmacher predicts that protective pro-life laws will eventually be in effect in 26 states. As such, pro-lifers need not despair.

Indeed, post-Dobbs pro-lifers have some great opportunities. We should redouble our educational, service, and legislative efforts to protect both women and preborn children.

https://thefederalist.com/2022/08/03/pro-lifers-need-not-despair-over-kansas-abortion-setback-and-heres-why/

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Still the fact is, that in a "conservative" state more than 6 in 10 want to keep abortion legal.....

This is not good news, and though it is the wrong POV, they are obviously in the majority now.

Problem now is how we deal with this politically.  This may become the ultimate wedge issue.

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One either believes in upholding the US Constitution, or one does not.  Clearly, Jonathan Alter is one of those who does not.
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How do we fight against this level of ignorance??

"Jean-Pierre says it was "unconstitutional" for SCOTUS to overturn Roe." (Video)


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It's citizens rejecting Government overreach into their private lives and their private decisions.

Are we to become another China, where the Government dictates family planning?  The Chi-coms one-child policy is the reason there were so many adoptable Chinese baby girls.

Do you really want the likes of Chuck Schumer and Mitch McConnell in charge of the family jewels?
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I saw a post with some numbers over at TOS today, and saved it.

I did not write this, just passing it along:
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~909,000 Voted, based on votes in the governor's primary the make up of the electorate would have been

451,000 Republicans 277,000 Democrats 181,000 Independents

To get to the 60% result, that would mean ~40% of Republicans would have had to [have] voted for abortion.
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https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4082842/posts?page=161#161

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Was it not "the right" in KS that pushed this onto the ballot?
If so, they got their rear ends handed back to them by the voters yesterday.

It looks as if Kansans -- including a significant number of Republican Kansans -- DO NOT want to see abortion more restricted than it is now in the state. I think the cutoff is "20 weeks" there.

What about the OTHER states that have referendums?
What will happen if the issue is put directly to the voters in them?

Looks like the "abortion issue" wasn't settled by the Dobbs decision. Returning it to the states may heat the pot up, not cool it down.
This will become a powerful issue in the hands of the dem-communists, if they use it to their advantage.

It also appears that there is no "Republican/right unity" on the abortion issue.
What's going on in Kansas that is different than any other red state...?
« Last Edit: August 03, 2022, 10:12:32 pm by Fishrrman »

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This was the abortion question on the ballot that was asked to Kansas yesterday.

It literally makes no sense and they spelled "circumstances" wrong for good measure.




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This was the abortion question on the ballot that was asked to Kansas yesterday.

It literally makes no sense and they spelled "circumstances" wrong for good measure.




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Upon reading it, this amendment has nothing to do with a yes or no for abortion but on whether the government should be involved in it.

Whoever came up with this language clearly wanted to confuse the entire issue.  The legislature should find out who was responsible for such a poorly worded amendment.

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Upon reading it, this amendment has nothing to do with a yes or no for abortion but on whether the government should be involved in it.

Whoever came up with this language clearly wanted to confuse the entire issue.  The legislature should find out who was responsible for such a poorly worded amendment.

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