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[Elderberry]

Revered Ukrainian general on possibility of striking Crimean Bridge

https://www.yahoo.com/now/revered-ukrainian-general-possibility-striking-183600456.html



Now that Russia has launched all-out war in Ukraine, and Kyiv has taken delivery of sophisticated modern long-range Western artillery and missile systems, the possibility that Ukraine might indeed destroy the hated bridge had increased. But how likely is it to happen?

The Main Intelligence Directorate under the Ministry of Defense announced in June that it had received the technical documentation on the Crimean Bridge.

The Crimean (Kerch) Bridge is an illegally built bridge across the Kerch Strait that connects Russia with the Ukrainian peninsula that it has occupied since 2014. Through it, the aggressor country transfers its troopsand equipment to Crimea, and then to the south of Ukraine.

[Hoodat]

France demanded that Germany pay reparations after World War I.  That worked well.

France remained in a state of war with Germany for 250 days.  They watched Germany conquer Poland, Norway, and Denmark, and did nothing.  France had the largest army in Europe at the time.  On May 10, 1940, they watched a smaller German army invade Luxembourg, Belgium, and the Netherlands, and still did nothing.  It is this fact that did not work out well.

If France had come to Poland's aid in Sept 1939, they at the very least could have marched to the Rhine, reoccupying the Ruhr, and threatening Frankfurt, Stuttgart, and possibly Munich.  But they showed weakness instead.  And this more than anything else led to the German onslaught over Europe.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Perfect example of the difference.

Ukraine has an established system of governance and is only seeking to protect itself from an invader.

There's no way of knowing this @bilo until we know Zelensky's puppet masters and their goals.

[Smokin Joe]

Jack Posobiec
@Jack Posobiec

BREAKING: @SenKevinCramer says there is no 'dollar amount' limit on how much he is willing to send to Ukraine

- @CharlieKirk11 Show

12:49 PM · Jul 12, 2022 from Washington, DC·Twitter Web App

Kramer is from ND, where the population is American Indian, Norwegian, German, and Ukrainian in heritage, for the most part. He is pandering to the base back home, at least in part.
I just want the amounts promised delivered in aid for military operations and humanitarian purposes, not just fed to long strings of layered consultants who 'plan' to deliver butter and guns.  The more Russian military might is blunted in Ukraine, especially if the Ukrainians succeed in kicking the Russians out, the less likely the rest of Eastern Europe will be subjected to territorial ambitions by Russia.

[Right_in_Virginia]

We really must stop our Eurocentric foreign policy and pay atttention to the shadow China is casting in this country and across South America.

We owe Europe nothing.

[sneakypete]

Perfect example of the difference.

Afghanistan was nation building. We tried to instill a system of governance.

Ukraine has an established system of governance and is only seeking to protect itself from an invader. If Ukraine is able to repel the invaders other than aid that we might provide we will be done.

@bilo


Not to mention Afghanistan was a religious war,and both sides hated us and wanted to see us dead because they considered us to be infidels.

After getting all the money and other aid from us that was possible to get,of course.

[sneakypete]

Kramer is from ND, where the population is American Indian, Norwegian, German, and Ukrainian in heritage, for the most part. He is pandering to the base back home, at least in part.
I just want the amounts promised delivered in aid for military operations and humanitarian purposes, not just fed to long strings of layered consultants who 'plan' to deliver butter and guns.  The more Russian military might is blunted in Ukraine, especially if the Ukrainians succeed in kicking the Russians out, the less likely the rest of Eastern Europe will be subjected to territorial ambitions by Russia.

@Smokin Joe

Seems so simple that even a child should be able to understand it,doesn't it?

[sneakypete]

We really must stop our Eurocentric foreign policy and pay atttention to the shadow China is casting in this country and across South America.

We owe Europe nothing.

@Right_in_Virginia

China started invading us in the 1980's,when we started allowing PLA officers to attend universities in the US and steal our technology to send back to China,and to allow the PLA officers who came here to learn how to teach it to their students when they get back to China.

So what could possibly be a better plan than allow the Russians to top that by invading and conquering other nations and making them vassal states to a suddenly even more dangerous Russia?

You surrender monkey are useless.

[catfish1957]

BREAKING: @SenKevinCramer says there is no 'dollar amount' limit on how much he is willing to send to Ukraine

There it is in the nutshell.  40 years of this attitude, where there are 535 slugs in DC, who do not realize whose money this is.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

China started invading us in the 1980's,when we started allowing PLA officers to attend universities in the US and steal our technology to send back to China,and to allow the PLA officers who came here to learn how to teach it to their students when they get back to China.

So what could possibly be a better plan than allow the Russians to top that by invading and conquering other nations and making them vassal states to a suddenly even more dangerous Russia?

You surrender monkey are useless.

Ah, Europe ..... a bloodthirsty land for eons that has bestowed upon the world in just one century:  socialism, marxism, nazism, fascism, communism, modern globalism, and 50-80 million dead from just two world wars they refuse to stop fighting.

And you call me a "surrender monkey" because I don't want my free and independent nation dragged into this sh*thole every time it farts?

What the heck is wrong with you @sneakypete ?

[Kamaji]

Ukraine calls US rocket launchers ‘game-changer’ against Russia, asks for more

By Callie Patteson
July 11, 2022

Ukraine’s defense minister has described long-range rocket systems supplied by the US as a “game-changer” in Kyiv’s fight against Russia’s brutal, months-long invasion — but insisted the Eastern European country needs more help to secure ultimate victory.

“We are waiting for more armor, more weaponry from our partners,” Oleksii Reznikov told the Wall Street Journal in an interview published Sunday. “The war is grim … We need more. We need it quickly.”

The High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems — known as HIMARS — have allowed Ukrainian troops to precisely target Russian forces from up to 50 miles away.

Reznikov told the Journal that the weaponry was used most effectively by Ukrainian forces in the fight for the city of Izyum, about 75 miles southeast of Kharkiv.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2022/07/11/ukraine-calls-us-rocket-launchers-game-changer-requests-more/

[Right_in_Virginia]

Ukraine calls US rocket launchers ‘game-changer’ against Russia, asks for more

By Callie Patteson
July 11, 2022

Do we know who's buying them from Ukraine?

[bilo]

There's no way of knowing this @bilo until we know Zelensky's puppet masters and their goals.

You don't see the trend to deglobalization.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You don't see the trend to deglobalization.

Not a whit in European leadership, including the Ukraine.

[Hoodat]

Do we know who's buying them from Ukraine?

See:  Logical fallacies - Poisoning the Well

[Elderberry]

Ukraine, Russia held first talks on blockaded grain since March, result unknown

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/ukraine-russia-held-first-talks-on-blockaded-grain-since-march-result-unknown.html

Ukraine and Russia held the first direct grain talks since March in a bid to break an impasse over grain exports that has seen food prices soar and millions around the globe face hunger.

The high-stake meeting, held in Istanbul on Wednesday, July 13, and also involving UN and Turkish officials, broke up after slightly more than three hours without any immediate signs on a breakthrough. The Turkish defence ministry issued a one-statement sentence saying the talks had “ended” and offering no hint as to whether progress had been achieved.

But the stakes could not be higher for tens of millions of people facing the threat of starvation in African and other poorest nations because of the battles engulfing one of the main grain producing regions of the world. Ukrainian officials said at least five people died in Russian shelling on the region surrounding the Black Sea port city of Mykolaiv.

“You never get used to war. It’s dreadful and scary,” 60-year-old Lyubov Mozhayeva said in the partially destroyed frontline city of Bakhmut. Ukraine is a vital exporter of wheat and grains such as barley and maize. It has also supplied nearly half of all the sunflower oil traded on global markets.

More at link.

[Right_in_Virginia]

See:  Logical fallacies - Poisoning the Well

So you don't know who's buying our weapons from Ukraine.  Thanks for the admission.

[Hoodat]

So you don't know who's buying our weapons from Ukraine.  Thanks for the admission.

I don't know if you've stopped molesting six-year-olds either.  Just as you don't know if Ukraine is selling US-supplied weapons.

(See:  Well poisoning)

[Mod2]

Stop it right now. No personal attacks.

[Smokin Joe]

There it is in the nutshell.  40 years of this attitude, where there are 535 slugs in DC, who do not realize whose money this is.

They have heard the nonsense about being part of the 'ruling class' so often they have forgotten they are our employees.

[sneakypete]

Ah, Europe ..... a bloodthirsty land for eons that has bestowed upon the world in just one century:  socialism, marxism, nazism, fascism, communism, modern globalism, and 50-80 million dead from just two world wars they refuse to stop fighting.

And you call me a "surrender monkey" because I don't want my free and independent nation dragged into this sh*thole every time it farts?

What the heck is wrong with you @sneakypete ?

@Right_in_Virginia

I realize you are clueless.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

I realize you are clueless.

Realize this     @sneakypete

Tucker Carlson, Jul 13, 2022:  (Video)
-America in Decline
-Putin
-Ukraine


https://rumble.com/embed/v19l8tt/?pub=4

[Right_in_Virginia]

   Watch the whole show. if you have the time.  But don't miss the opening segment.

[sneakypete]

Realize this     @sneakypete

Tucker Carlson, Jul 13, 2022:  (Video)
-America in Decline
-Putin
-Ukraine


https://rumble.com/embed/v19l8tt/?pub=4

@Right_in_Virginia

Now you are going to try to link inflation in the US to the Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Kamaji]

@Right_in_Virginia

I realize you are clueless.