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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #950 on: May 30, 2022, 08:08:25 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on May 30, 2022, 02:46:58 pm
Steelworks prisoners from Mariupol 'are being tortured with pliers, electrocuted and strangled' after being captured by Russian forces
 

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I am NOT making excuses for the Russians,but a wise man once noted that "Truth is the first causality of war."

I am NOT trying to claim this has not happened,but my GUESS is that it may have happened at ONE place ONE time,so the Ukrainians are trying to gain sympathy and more foreign aid by IMPLYING it happens often,everywhere.

Propaganda is just another tool of war,and all sides use it.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #951 on: May 31, 2022, 12:20:52 am »
Russia's army could COLLAPSE amid huge losses of more than 30,000 troops - which Putin believes is a 'price worth paying' for victory in Ukraine, confidential UK report says

By Chris Jewers For Mailonline
30 May 2022

Russia's army could collapse amid huge losses of more than 30,000 troops in Ukraine, according to a confidential UK report that emerged on Monday.

While Moscow's latest estimated troop losses make grim reading for President Vladimir Putin, the report claims he sees them as a 'price worth paying' for victory.

However, the new report - a secretive analysis of Putin's brutal invasion seen by The Mirror - claims that the losses could be too great for his soldiers, amid other reports that Russian morale is low.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10869009/Russian-army-COLLAPSE-amid-huge-losses-30-000-troops-confidential-UK-report-says.html
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #952 on: May 31, 2022, 03:17:14 pm »
Two Russian colonels call Putin a 'motherf***er' and Sergei Shoigu a 'totally incompetent layman' while hinting at heavy casualties in phone call 'intercepted' by Ukrainian security services

By WILL STEWART FOR MAILONLINE
31 May 2022

Two serving Russian colonels have been 'intercepted' making blistering criticisms of Vladimir Putin and his defence minister Sergei Shoigu over the failing war with Ukraine.

Their outbursts in a private voice call - allegedly bugged by the Kyiv secret services - show deep dissent among the high ranks.

The expletive-laden call blames Putin for incompetence in not bombing the Ukrainian parliament and other key sites.

Shoigu - who did not rise though the ranks - is dismissed as incompetent in military affairs.

They hint at devastating losses on the Russian side in Ukraine, which have not been officially acknowledged.

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Source:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10871089/Two-Russian-colonels-call-Sergei-Shoigu-totally-incompetent-layman-intercepted-phone-call.html

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #953 on: May 31, 2022, 06:42:13 pm »
Russia spilts strategic Ukrainian city of Severodonetsk ‘in half’

By Ben Kesslen
May 31, 2022

Russian forces continued their merciless attack on the eastern Ukrainian city of Severodonetsk on Tuesday, in a battle that the local mayor said has split the bombed-out Donbas town “in half.”

Severodonetsk, once home to a little more than 100,000 people, has essentially been divided down the middle, with Russians controlling between a third and a half of the city.

“Unfortunately … the city has been split in half. But at the same time the city still defends itself. It is still Ukrainian,” Mayor Oleksandr Stryuk said.

Stryuk said heavy fighting is ongoing and artillery assaults continue to threaten the lives of an estimated 13,000 Ukrainians trapped in the city.

“The situation is very serious and the city is essentially being destroyed ruthlessly block by block,” he said.

Evacuation efforts have been hampered by the relentless bombardment, which has turned the city into a wasteland where residents have no electricity, water or cell service, he said.

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Source:  https://nypost.com/2022/05/31/russia-spilts-ukrainian-city-of-severodonetsk-in-half/
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #954 on: May 31, 2022, 10:53:07 pm »
City divided and refugee spots her looted goods

3 hours ago



The 97th day of the war saw Ukrainian and Russian forces battling for control of the eastern city of Severodonetsk, which is said to be divided between the two sides.

Up to 15,000 people may still be trapped there, Luhansk regional governor Serhiy Haidai said.

Both sides are suffering heavy casualties and the Ukrainian command may decide a tactical retreat would better serve their medium-term interests.

"As soon as we can get more weapons, particularly those artillery weapons which are being shipped right now from the West, we can go to counter-offensive," Ukrainian former Defence Minister Andriy Zagorodnyuk told the BBC.  .  .


'That's my boiler!'

A Ukrainian refugee in the UK says she got a surprise when her husband showed her a photo of a Russian tank - with some of her household items sitting on top.

Alina Koreniuk says the box in the photo contains a new boiler she planned to install before the war started - along with some new sheets.  .  .

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61650698


So when Putin said "Free Luhansk", he meant 'free Luhansk of their possessions and valuables.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #955 on: May 31, 2022, 10:55:46 pm »
Just busy 'liberating' whatever they can get their hands on...
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #956 on: May 31, 2022, 11:00:10 pm »
'I watched from afar Russia’s latest merciless assault on Severodonetsk'

Quentin Sommerville - BBC, Lysychansk, Ukraine  |  1 day ago

Russian forces have entered the city of Severodonetsk, as they continue their attempts to capture the eastern Donbas region of Ukraine. One of the region's governors says that the bombardment of the industrial centre is so intense that they have given up counting the casualties.

Just days ago, I watched from a rooftop in Lysychansk as, on the horizon, its twin city of Severodonetsk was being bombed indiscriminately. Shells were landing every minute on its length and breath. Severodonetsk was burning.

Lysychansk itself has been drained of life. A few people still go out on the streets, but they are mostly deserted. Artillery fire is a regular threat. The air carried on the summer breeze is gritty with dust from smoke and pulverised buildings.

Having failed to conquer all of Ukraine, Russian forces are now targeting Donbas - made up of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions. If Severodonetsk and Lysychansk fall, the whole of Luhansk would be occupied.

Here, Russia isn't fighting a campaign of attrition, it's waging a war of oblivion. And, for the moment on this front, it is winning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61634050
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #957 on: May 31, 2022, 11:19:08 pm »
Gee, yesterday I was actually breathing a slight sigh of relief thinking that the Idiot in Chief was actually doing the right thing....obviously not so.

Biden admin to send Multiple Launch Rocket Systems to Ukraine in $40B aid package

President Biden previously said the US would not send longer-range missiles to Ukraine

The Biden administration is expected this week to approve sending shorter-range rocket missiles to Ukraine as part of the $40 billion aid package for the besieged country.

The Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS), known as HIMARS (High Mobility Rockets System), have a range of 83 to 185 miles based on the kind of artillery rockets and mobile platform being used. There are also wheeled versions of the MLRS that fire 6 missiles and there are tracked vehicles that fire 12 missiles...............

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-send-mlrs-missiles-ukraine-russia-war
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #958 on: May 31, 2022, 11:32:35 pm »
It is odd how Russia continues the propaganda, "We are here to SAVE the people, and to LIBERATE our friends!" Meanwhile Russia is slaughtering, kidnapping, and raping, by the hundreds of thousands and conducting a scorched Earth campaign to literally erase entire cities and villages from the face of the Earth. If this is Russia's idea of 'helping' or 'saving' people, imagine what they would do if they intended a purposeful calculated genocide. 
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #959 on: June 01, 2022, 01:05:41 am »
Quote from: 240B on May 31, 2022, 11:32:35 pm
It is odd how Russia continues the propaganda, "We are here to SAVE the people, and to LIBERATE our friends!"

This is actually much more true than not.  The people of Donbas consider themselves independent from Kiev (as Russia formally recognized in February), they speak Russian, hold Russian passports and have considered Russia to be their liberator since WWII.

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Meanwhile Russia is slaughtering, kidnapping, and raping, by the hundreds of thousands and conducting a scorched Earth campaign to literally erase entire cities and villages from the face of the Earth. If this is Russia's idea of 'helping' or 'saving' people, imagine what they would do if they intended a purposeful calculated genocide.

Take these "reports" with a shovel full of salt.  The people of Donbas have a close relationship with Russia and vice versa.  Their roots are intertwined; and Putin's MO is, believe it or not, to be protective. For instance, Israel periodically drops bombs in Syria and Iran and Russia looks the other way.  Hell, the IDF shot down a Russian jet and other than not taking Bibi's calls for a week, Putin took no retaliatory action.  (They did agree to stricter rules of engagement.)  Why the special accommodations for Israel?  Putin, by his own admission, is protective of the large Russian immigrant community living there.

If there is "slaughtering, kidnapping, and raping" of civilians going on, the more likely perp is the Kiev-trained and Kiev-funded Azov Battalion.  They've been fine-tuning their terror there for eight years.

This battalion, along with the newly arrived Western Ukraine units, are the targets of Russia's offensive in the region;  not the people.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #960 on: June 01, 2022, 01:39:37 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 01, 2022, 01:05:41 am
Putin's MO is, believe it or not, to be protective

Putin being protective of the people of Severodonetsk.



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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #961 on: June 01, 2022, 01:42:21 am »
Putin being protective of the people of Mariupol



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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #962 on: June 01, 2022, 01:44:59 am »
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The most dangerous thing happening in the world today is Western governments turning against their own citizens. Nothing else comes close.

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #963 on: June 01, 2022, 01:51:37 am »
Russian indiscriminate shelling of Severodonetsk





More Russian shelling in Luhansk






It takes a really sick individual to characterize Putin as some kind of protector after he has killed so many civilians, stolen their food, and implemented a scorched earth policy with indiscriminate missile and artillery shelling of Ukrainian cities.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #964 on: June 01, 2022, 01:51:54 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 01, 2022, 01:39:37 am
Putin being protective of the people of Severodonetsk.

You're posting selective pictures of war for their emotional propaganda value.

Try engaging the frontal lobe and allow the limbic lobe a much needed rest.




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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #965 on: June 01, 2022, 01:53:41 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 01, 2022, 01:51:54 am
You're posting pictures of war for their emotional propaganda value.

I am showing pictures of Luhansk to show the results of current Russian strategy.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #966 on: June 01, 2022, 02:05:22 am »
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #967 on: June 01, 2022, 02:07:11 am »
Severodonetsk population before Russian invasion - 100,000
Severodonetsk population today - 15,000
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #968 on: June 01, 2022, 02:23:24 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on June 01, 2022, 01:51:37 am
Russian indiscriminate shelling of Severodonetsk





More Russian shelling in Luhansk






It takes a really sick individual to characterize Putin as some kind of protector after he has killed so many civilians, stolen their food, and implemented a scorched earth policy with indiscriminate missile and artillery shelling of Ukrainian cities.

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Even the Russian army is turning against Putin,but R_I_V is still a fan of his.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #969 on: June 01, 2022, 02:43:42 am »
Quote from: sneakypete on June 01, 2022, 02:23:24 am
@Hoodat   @Right_in_Virginia

Even the Russian army is turning against Putin,but R_I_V is still a fan of his.

I'm no one's fan @sneakypete   Again, there are no good guys in the leadership of this war and we have no dog in yet another border conflict in the Ukraine.  But the pro-Ukraine propaganda being tossed about .... without a single question or raised eyebrow..... is simply stunning. 

I suppose the accepted mantra is it's perfectly fine, even exciting, to further bankrupt the US to keep the fight going to the last Ukranian --- as long as they're kiling Russians on our behalf.

This is far from our finest hour, Pete.



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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #970 on: June 01, 2022, 02:49:59 am »
Pro-Ukraine propaganda? 







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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #971 on: June 01, 2022, 02:53:45 am »
Quote from: libertybele on May 31, 2022, 11:19:08 pm
Gee, yesterday I was actually breathing a slight sigh of relief thinking that the Idiot in Chief was actually doing the right thing....obviously not so.

Biden admin to send Multiple Launch Rocket Systems to Ukraine in $40B aid package

President Biden previously said the US would not send longer-range missiles to Ukraine

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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #972 on: June 01, 2022, 03:35:23 am »
Putin’s decree “legalizes” abduction of children from Ukraine - MFA

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3496766-putins-decree-legalizes-abduction-of-children-from-ukraine-mfa.html

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The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine considers Vladimir Putin's decree that streamlines the process of granting citizenship to Ukrainian orphans as an attempt by the Kremlin to legalize the illegal displacement of Ukrainian children to Russia.

That’s according to a statement issued by the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, Ukrinform reports.

"We consider the decree of the President of the Russian Federation to simplify the admission of Ukrainian orphans or those left without parental care to Russian citizenship as an attempt by the Kremlin to legalize the illegal movement of Ukrainian children from the Ukrainian territories temporarily occupied by the Russian army to Russia. By his decree, Vladimir Putin actually legalized the abduction of children from the territory of Ukraine," the Foreign Ministry stressed.

The diplomats noted that Russia's actions grossly violate the 1949 Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, which obliges the occupying state not to change the citizenship status of children, and the 1989 UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry believes that Russia's actions can also be qualified as forcible transfer of children from one human group to another under international law.

As of May 26, Russia has deported more than 238,000 Ukrainian children to its territory.

More at link.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #973 on: June 01, 2022, 04:13:04 am »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on June 01, 2022, 01:44:59 am
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The most dangerous thing happening in the world today is Western governments turning against their own citizens. Nothing else comes close.

11:45 AM · May 31, 2022   Twitter for iPhone

The US has been turning against its population since Clinton.  From the beginning of that crime spree through all Rat Presidents ever since.  And with full cooperation of the Uniparty.
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Re: Ukraine 2
« Reply #974 on: June 01, 2022, 08:17:48 am »
Quote from: Elderberry on June 01, 2022, 03:35:23 am
Putin’s decree “legalizes” abduction of children from Ukraine - MFA

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3496766-putins-decree-legalizes-abduction-of-children-from-ukraine-mfa.html

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Well,he needs to replace all the Russian soldiers KIA in Ukraine,and Russian women just aren't having enough babies to do it the old-fashioned way.

Think "fresh cannon fodder".
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