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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9575 on: May 01, 2022, 02:25:37 am »
We shall see how things play out.

Yes we shall.  So in the mean time, in the absence of any evidence showing (or even suggesting) Zelenskiy is guilty of anything, do you think it is possible to give him the benefit of doubt here and refrain from accusing him of things with zero evidence to support it?  Thank in advance.
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« Reply #9576 on: May 01, 2022, 02:31:31 am »
Yes we shall.  So in the mean time, in the absence of any evidence showing (or even suggesting) Zelenskiy is guilty of anything, do you think it is possible to give him the benefit of doubt here and refrain from accusing him of things with zero evidence to support it?  Thank in advance.

If I truly felt he was completely innocent I would have said so.
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9577 on: May 01, 2022, 02:33:39 am »
The Ukrainian soldiers holding on to the Azovstal Steel Plant in Mariupol belong to the 36th Separate Marine Brigade.

https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,462610.msg2631271.html#msg2631271
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9578 on: May 01, 2022, 02:35:51 am »
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« Reply #9579 on: May 01, 2022, 02:41:16 am »
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You mean Russian director and actor. Not an independent "reporter" of any sort.

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« Reply #9580 on: May 01, 2022, 02:50:39 am »
Twitter has labeled  these photos "potentially sensitive content"

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In Tokmok, Zaporozhye region, the coat of arms of Ukraine was dismantled from the City Council building.



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« Reply #9581 on: May 01, 2022, 02:52:25 am »
You mean Russian director and actor. Not an independent "reporter" of any sort.

Well, at least you're reading .... this is a good sign.  Now debate the veracity of the content.

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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9582 on: May 01, 2022, 03:12:11 am »
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Sweden’s parliament will vote to make the country join NATO, but the people of Sweden won’t be allowed a referendum on this issue

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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9583 on: May 01, 2022, 03:18:42 am »
If I truly felt he was completely innocent I would have said so.

Saying that you 'feel' he is not innocent is not the same thing as saying that he is not innocent.
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9584 on: May 01, 2022, 03:20:46 am »
Warning:  Russian Propaganda

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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9585 on: May 01, 2022, 03:22:39 am »
Well, at least you're reading .... this is a good sign.  Now debate the veracity of the content.

How can anyone determine the veracity of the content? The content offers no proof whatsoever of what is claimed.


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« Reply #9586 on: May 01, 2022, 03:23:58 am »
How can anyone determine the veracity of the content? The content offers no proof whatsoever of what is claimed.

That seems to be the norm for this poster.
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9587 on: May 01, 2022, 03:40:45 am »
Commander inside steel plant surrounded by Russian troops speaks to CNN

The Azovstal iron and steel plant in Mariupol, Ukraine is sheltering hundreds of military personnel and citizens and is the last stand in this city. Major Serhiy Volyna, Commander of Ukraine's 36th Separate Marine Brigade gives an update from the inside. Source: CNN




https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/29/commander-inside-mariupol-steel-plant-intv-new-day-keilar-vpx.cnn
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9588 on: May 01, 2022, 04:14:43 am »
Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  ---- It's what the GOP does.  Here's a GOP "leader" spouting Biden's talking points.  Are you payiing attention yet?

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A) Top GOPer on Foreign Affairs Cmte McCaul: It is vital that Congress swiftly pass a clean supplemental that ensures Ukraine wins in the face of Russia’s unprovoked war of aggression. We will examine the security assistance request closely to see if more is necessary

B) McCaul: This request is woefully insufficient to address catastrophic levels of global food insecurity. The human suffering and destabilization caused by Putin are extending far beyond Ukraine as global food prices are skyrocketing

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Food prices are skyrocketing because of Biden's energy policy. Kill pipelines, shut down drilling, and the natural gas that is a prime feedstock for fertilizer isn't available, or is more expensive. In concert with the railroads only shipping 80% of what is available (supply chain issues), what may get planted this year, in the face of significantly higher operating costs for farmers will not be as much as was planted last year.

Food that is available now, costs more to ship to consumers 9again because of Biden's energy policies), compounding the problem of higher food costs.
Monetary policy hasn't helped, either.

That whole hot mess belongs in a steaming pile on the White House doorstep, well before the war in Ukraine.

Those of us in the industry saw this coming a year ago, and it hasn't even all arrived yet.
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9589 on: May 01, 2022, 04:55:01 am »
Food prices are skyrocketing because of Biden's energy policy. Kill pipelines, shut down drilling, and the natural gas that is a prime feedstock for fertilizer isn't available, or is more expensive. In concert with the railroads only shipping 80% of what is available (supply chain issues), what may get planted this year, in the face of significantly higher operating costs for farmers will not be as much as was planted last year.

Food that is available now, costs more to ship to consumers 9again because of Biden's energy policies), compounding the problem of higher food costs.
Monetary policy hasn't helped, either.

That whole hot mess belongs in a steaming pile on the White House doorstep, well before the war in Ukraine.

Those of us in the industry saw this coming a year ago, and it hasn't even all arrived yet.

And add to that the recent White House mandate requiring more food (ethanol) be burnt in cars further decreasing the availability and increasing the cost of food. The stupidity is dumbfounding.

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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9590 on: May 01, 2022, 06:09:53 am »
Now do the Kyiv Independent @sneakypete

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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9591 on: May 01, 2022, 06:45:04 am »
UNDER THE KNIFE Putin ‘to undergo cancer operation and hand power to hardline ex-spy chief’, says ‘Kremlin insider’ in shock claim

Will Stewart, Tariq Tahir  |  Apr 30 2022  |  Updated: 11:47 ET

VLADIMIR Putin is set to undergo an operation for cancer and will hand over power to his hardline spy chief, a Kremlin insider has reportedly claimed.


The Russian tyrant’s health has been source of considerable speculation amid reports that he is battling both abdominal cancer and Parkinson’s Disease.

But now it has been reported that 69-year-old Putin could soon vanish as he goes under the knife, with power transferred to Nikolai Patrushev.

Shadowy Patrushev, 70, is seen as a key architect of the Ukraine war strategy and the man who convinced Putin that Kyiv was awash with neo-Nazis.

The claim was reported on Russian media outlet General SVR, which first raised issues of Putin’s health around 18-months ago.  .  .

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5236303/putin-undergo-cancer-operation/



Can he trust his anesthesiologist?
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9592 on: May 01, 2022, 06:58:33 am »
Tenth Russian General Reportedly Killed in Ukraine

Kyiv Post. Published May 1. Updated May 1 at 4:04 am



Russian Maj. Gen. Andrei Simonov

Ukrainian authorities say that Russian Maj. Gen. Andrei Simonov was killed near the city of Izyum of the northeastern region of Kharkiv.

National Guard units reported on April 30 that they spotted a field command post of the Russian 2nd Army in the area and passed the coordinates on to the military whose artillery fired on the positions. More than 30 Russian armored vehicles, including tanks, were reportedly struck in the rocket salvos.

Presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovych said in an interview published on YouTube that some 100 Russian servicemen were killed, including Simonov.

Public domain data available on what is the U.S. equivalent of a brigadier general, says that Simonov was a senior leader of electronic warfare units. According to open-source data followed by the Kyiv Post, his death would be the tenth among Russia’s corps of generals in Ukraine since Feb. 24.

Video posted on social media showed the alleged command post being struck by what appeared to be Grad rockets fired from a multiple-launch rocket system or systems.  .  .

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/tenth-russian-general-reportedly-killed-in-ukraine.html



This makes ten, not counting the two in Kherson which have not yet been confirmed.
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9593 on: May 01, 2022, 07:00:35 am »
Ukraine war: First civilians evacuated from Mariupol steelworks, but 1,000 still living underneath it - some with 'wounds rotting with gangrene'


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-un-brokers-evacuation-from-besieged-steelworks-in-mariupol-as-1-000-still-living-underneath-soviet-era-steel-plant-12603171
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9594 on: May 01, 2022, 07:59:50 am »
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This Dimitry Astrakhan?

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Dmitry Hananovich Astrakhan (Russian: Дмитрий Хананович Астрахан; born March 17, 1957[1][2]) is a Russian film director and actor. Honored Artist of the Russian Federation (2009)

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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9595 on: May 01, 2022, 08:04:43 am »
And add to that the recent White House mandate requiring more food (ethanol) be burnt in cars further decreasing the availability and increasing the cost of food. The stupidity is dumbfounding.
I am of the firm belief that this is not mere stupidity.

Stupid people are not perfectly stupid.
Sooner or later they screw up being stupid, and get something right, if only by accident.

The actions of this administration reflect a carefully planned and executed, highly competent malice toward this country, doubtless at the behest of Biden's handlers.

E15 will damage engines not made for it, and that will accelerate the demise of internal combustion engine vehicles.
Here, in winter, it only increases the hygroscopic nature of the fuel, and that means fuel pumps and filters slushing up and plugging at critical times. I recall being stopped on the side of the road at night, in -30 weather, removing a fuel filter and blowing the slush out of it so my engine would run, many years ago, when such filters were far more easily removed than they are today (I used a '70s vintage vehicle as my main field vehicle up until 2010).
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9596 on: May 01, 2022, 08:13:41 am »
Pelosi leads first official US delegation to Ukraine since war began


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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made an unannounced trip to the Ukrainian capital on Saturday, becoming the most senior United States official to meet with President Volodymr Zelensky since the war broke out more than two months ago.

Zelensky shared a video on Sunday of him meeting with Pelosi in Kyiv, and thanking the US for its strong support against Russ



https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-01-22/h_b1721920844a1b71d6e6fbcaa5480aa1
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Re: Ukraine: Live Updates thread
« Reply #9597 on: May 01, 2022, 10:32:40 am »
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« Reply #9598 on: May 01, 2022, 10:41:51 am »
How can anyone determine the veracity of the content? The content offers no proof whatsoever of what is claimed.

The history of the Azov Battalion is (or should be) well known by this point @DB   Those who do not know the particulars of this group and where they have operated for 8 years are missing what's really happening at that steel plant in Mariupol  --- beyond the Biden/Zelensky propaganda.  The time for attacking the messager should be over.

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