Is the second American Civil War nearing its conclusion?

[mystery-ak]

January 27, 2022
Is the second American Civil War nearing its conclusion?
By Eric Utter

The truth is that the Second American Civil War is...almost over.  Unlike the first one, the Democrats appear to be a near lock to win.

Leftists, through a combination of brilliant projectionist strategy and callously evil use of their political opponents' naïveté, decency, and tolerance, have transformed America's institutions.  They have weaponized them and used them against their less aggressive fellow citizens.  In the process, they have transformed Americans, their beliefs and expectations, too.  Much like the Chinese Communist Party, they own nearly all the levers of influence and power, exercising an iron grip on the education establishment, the mass media, Big Tech, Wall Street, corporate boardrooms, the health care industry, and Hollywood — and now the CIA, FBI, Defense Department, and ironically named Department of Justice (DOJ).  This in addition to effectively controlling all three branches of the U.S. government.

They are using this power to obliterate the democratic representative republic our Founders built, even as they loudly and incessantly claim they are trying to "save our democracy."  They are attempting a final push now, one in which they intend to grant the District of Columbia (meaning themselves) two senators, eliminate the filibuster (meaning the ability of the minority party to have any say in governance), pack the Supreme Court (meaning they are chagrinned that this is the one body that they don't fully control at present), and nationalize elections by banning the requirement of identification in every state (meaning they can steal every election going forward...in perpetuity).

Always the busy bees (and bodies), they also are continually replacing American citizens with illegal aliens flooding across the southern border, which they leave wide open for this very purpose.  Then they grant these illegal invaders favors that American citizens do not receive.

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[DefiantMassRINO]

The 2nd Americal Civil War has many facets that mirror the 1st Civil War, and some that are new:

- urban vs rural
- industrial vs post-industrial
- states' rights vs omnipotent Federal government
- globalism vs nationalism
- pragmatists vs idealogues
- conservative vs liberal
- colleged educated vs non-college educated
- Wall Street vs Main Street
- wages vs capital gains
- monetary policy vs fiscal policy
- kleptocrats vs socialists
- environment vs economy
- aspiration vs status quo
- socio-economic mobility vs institutional stagnation
- gun rights vs criminal rights
- equality vs classism
- free market competition vs oligarchies
- elitism vs populism

Politicians attempt to coalesce coalitions around existential threats - Global Climate Change, Globalism - to govern.

The fractures are so many, it's difficult for either side to conjure a singular Boogey Man scary enough to obtain an overwhelming majority.

[catfish1957]

In simple terms, the GOP brought knives to a gun fight.

[EdinVA]

Leftists, through a combination of brilliant projectionist strategy and callously evil use of their political opponents' naïveté, decency, and tolerance, have transformed America's institutions.  They have weaponized them and used them against their less aggressive fellow citizens.

Yep.... But Trump is to mean to fix it we need Jeb Bush... /s

[Fishrrman]

It hasn't started yet.
Right now, we're at about 1859.

We still have yet a "Dred Scott" moment and a "John Brown" moment to experience.
As well as a second "Fort Sumter".

And perhaps other black swan events, as yet unforeseen.

[Cyber Liberty]

It hasn't started yet.
Right now, we're at about 1859.

We still have yet a "Dred Scott" moment and a "John Brown" moment to experience.
As well as a second "Fort Sumter".

And perhaps other black swan events, as yet unforeseen.

Precisely, Fish!

[libertybele]

Precisely, Fish!

Ditto!

[AARguy]

There has been no war. I have seen war. War is thousands of dead. War is starvation, disease, dead kids everywhere. Take a look at the pictures of bloated dead bodies at Gettysburg. THAT is war.

A civil war in America is impossible. In the 1860's folks took the rifle down off the wall and went to war. Today, you can't take your F-16, Apache helicopter or M1 tank off the wall and go to war. The military will follow the Constitution and only be on one side. It takes contracts, industrial might and lots more to keep an Apache flying. All that will only be on one side.

But CHAOS is possible... even probable. Gangs taking control. Empty store shelves. Cities emptying out as people seek food and clean water. Angry mobs killing people and destroying things without sense or reason.

Bottom line? Abandon blue states before the danger gets out of control. Boy, am I glad I moved to Texas!

[catfish1957]

There has been no war. I have seen war. War is thousands of dead. War is starvation, disease, dead kids everywhere. Take a look at the pictures of bloated dead bodies at Gettysburg. THAT is war.

A civil war in America is impossible. In the 1860's folks took the rifle down off the wall and went to war. Today, you can't take your F-16, Apache helicopter or M1 tank off the wall and go to war. The military will follow the Constitution and only be on one side. It takes contracts, industrial might and lots more to keep an Apache flying. All that will only be on one side.

But CHAOS is possible... even probable. Gangs taking control. Empty store shelves. Cities emptying out as people seek food and clean water. Angry mobs killing people and destroying things without sense or reason.

Bottom line? Abandon blue states before the danger gets out of control. Boy, am I glad I moved to Texas!

Military technology has always been a factor in warfare since the beginning of time.   From spears, to arrows, to cannons, to nukes....   Based on your rationale 1861-65 wouldn't have happened either. Average Joe Farmer didn't own a cannon, gun boat, or even bayonets for that matter.  There are bases all over this country.  No one can predict who what, and where loyalties will lie if things hit the fan.  It could ideological, geographical, or number of other factors.  Or it could be like 1775, with an uncontrolled insurrection.

Obviously, not saying or endorsing for this to happen, but a population pushed into a corner often resorts to innovative ways to deal with their tyrannical government. IN 1784, who in the French noble class would have predicted  that Bastille Day would even be remotley possible 5 years later?

[EdinVA]

There has been no war. I have seen war. War is thousands of dead. War is starvation, disease, dead kids everywhere. Take a look at the pictures of bloated dead bodies at Gettysburg. THAT is war.

A civil war in America is impossible. In the 1860's folks took the rifle down off the wall and went to war. Today, you can't take your F-16, Apache helicopter or M1 tank off the wall and go to war. The military will follow the Constitution and only be on one side. It takes contracts, industrial might and lots more to keep an Apache flying. All that will only be on one side.

But CHAOS is possible... even probable. Gangs taking control. Empty store shelves. Cities emptying out as people seek food and clean water. Angry mobs killing people and destroying things without sense or reason.

Bottom line? Abandon blue states before the danger gets out of control. Boy, am I glad I moved to Texas!

The taliban and isis did not have f-16's or tanks or any of that other stuff and they beat us...

I can see it now... F-16 makes bombing run on Dallas Tx.... not likely...

[AARguy]

An 1860 era cannon, once built, needs little maintenance... run a bore cleaner through it once in awhile. An Apache, an F-16... require detailed technical maintenance daily. And thousands of spare parts consistin of printed circuits, tremendous technology... nothing like a "spear". It takes a whole industry, indeed, a whole society to keep such things up and running.

But like I said, the military will only be on one side... the one with the best argument they are supporting the Constitution. The military swears allegiance to the Constitution... not any man or ideology.

If one side cannot make a clear claim to supporting the Constitution, the military might just stand by and watch. I don't see a civil war coming. But I do see chaos... cities burning from coast to coast... violence... disruption of law and the economy with no clear winner for a long time.

We've already had a preview... from coast to coast... thankfully, mainly in blue areas.

[catfish1957]

But like I said, the military will only be on one side... the one with the best argument they are supporting the Constitution. The military swears allegiance to the Constitution... not any man or ideology.

If one side cannot make a clear claim to supporting the Constitution, the military might just stand by and watch. I don't see a civil war coming. But I do see chaos... cities burning from coast to coast... violence... disruption of law and the economy with no clear winner for a long time.
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Our ancestors had sworn allegiance to George III.

Based on that rationale, we'd been silently sitting on our hands 1770-1783.  Tyrannical governments push the downtroden to do innovative things to correct things.

[AARguy]

Not at all. The whole issue is that other peoples have sworn allegiance to a PERSON. Like you said... King George III. That's one of the great things about America. We swear allegiance to an a LAW... an IDEAL.... not a PERSON. Germans in WWI had to swear allegiance to Hitler, personally.  Our military swears allegiance to the ideal encapsulated in the CONSTITUTION... not any person or ideology.

[AARguy]

Oops... "a law"... and it was WWII not WWI. My bad typing.

[Smokin Joe]

It hasn't started yet.
Right now, we're at about 1859.

We still have yet a "Dred Scott" moment and a "John Brown" moment to experience.
As well as a second "Fort Sumter".

And perhaps other black swan events, as yet unforeseen.

Don't forget the Pratt Street Riots (First KIA of the war).

[catfish1957]

Not at all. The whole issue is that other peoples have sworn allegiance to a PERSON. Like you said... King George III. That's one of the great things about America. We swear allegiance to an a LAW... an IDEAL.... not a PERSON. Germans in WWI had to swear allegiance to Hitler, personally.  Our military swears allegiance to the ideal encapsulated in the CONSTITUTION... not any person or ideology.

@AARguy

In case you haven't noticed the Constitution is in the process of being subverted in and by many forms of degradation.  Our Bill of Rights are being dilluted if not destroyed by ideas, EO's, statutes, and regulations by enemy combatants who bending it to fit their socialist intent.  I am not trying to be condescending, but those ideas by those who beautifully crafted our system of government over 200 years ago, looks nothing like today.  "Wokeness", "30 Trillion Dollar deficit spending", Full left idelogical control of our press, exploitation of a pathogen, election theft, and pathological lying our government may not be  consituted as like you called an  allegiance to an individual.........   But it is just as freakin' bad, and I for one think even our military will eventually fracture into factions in  the name of patriotic freedom.   

The constitution is worthless, if our rights end up looking like 1917-1989 USSR.

[AARguy]

The answer is to enforce the Constitution, not abandon it. In November, the liberals will lose control of the Congress. We must hold on tightly to freedom and defend America against the woke elements until then. Do not give up hope!

There is already a movement afoot to impeach multiple members of the current administration for its crimal activities, from violating immigration laws to misappropriation of government funds.

[catfish1957]

The answer is to enforce the Constitution, not abandon it. In November, the liberals will lose control of the Congress. We must hold on tightly to freedom and defend America against the woke elements until then. Do not give up hope!

There is already a movement afoot to impeach multiple members of the current administration for its crimal activities, from violating immigration laws to misappropriation of government funds.

I like idealist.  You do that side with justice sir.

Me?  I am a realist, and can say with almost 100 certainty that the elements you list are unobtainable when you have a GOP that is almost as complicit in the matter.   I think more drastic measures are likely.

[AARguy]

I can point to things the liberals have wrought, from cowardice in Afghanistan to inflation at home, from racist indoctrination of our children to criminally open borders, from weakening our military to outrageous spending, and from the COVID Tyranny to suppression of free speech. But I see no such criminal acts by Republicans. I do see most, but not all Republicans, as being complacent, nothing more. A few bad apples, nothing more. Heck, Republicans don't have the power to do much today but standby and watch... or just make noise.

That will change in November.

[Smokin Joe]

The answer is to enforce the Constitution, not abandon it. In November, the liberals will lose control of the Congress. We must hold on tightly to freedom and defend America against the woke elements until then. Do not give up hope!

There is already a movement afoot to impeach multiple members of the current administration for its crimal activities, from violating immigration laws to misappropriation of government funds.

Precisely!

We have a perfectly good Constitution, and it is time to get back to the concept of a limited Federal Government, with certain specific powers, return the rest to the States and the People.

If that means cutting the number of agencies and the Federal Workforce substantially, then so be it.

Fifty percent reduction year one. Another fifty percent year two.

If those jobs were so important, the States can pick up employees for their agencies from the pool of former Federal workers. If not, get a real job.