Alec Baldwin fatally shoots woman with prop gun on movie set

[240B]

People die from 'Blanks'.
It is the same as a 'flash bang' grenade.
You think these things are tame.
Put a 'blank' gun on someone's head and pull the trigger. That guy is dead.

[Cyber Liberty]

People die from 'Blanks'.
It is the same as a 'flash bang' grenade.
You think these things are tame.
Put a 'blank' gun on someone's head and pull the trigger. That guy is dead.

This was no "blank."  The bullet did a through-and-through with her, and then hit the Director.  It takes lead and brass to do that.

There should not have been a live round inside of a mile of that set.

[240B]

This was no "blank."  The bullet did a through-and-through with her, and then hit the Director.  It takes lead and brass to do that.

There should not have been a live round inside of a mile of that set.

mystics mysteries how did it get there? It is a mystery?

[Lando Lincoln]

This was no "blank."  The bullet did a through-and-through with her, and then hit the Director.  It takes lead and brass to do that.

There should not have been a live round inside of a mile of that set.

It seems more and more evident it was a live round. If the gun was true to the period of the movie setting, it was big bore.

[Cyber Liberty]

It seems more and more evident it was a live round. If the gun was true to the period of the movie setting, it was big bore.

Peacemaker?

[libertybele]

It seems more and more evident it was a live round. If the gun was true to the period of the movie setting, it was big bore.

With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

[Lando Lincoln]

With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

Frankly, I don’t believe the Clinton connection. It is just something that emerges from the ether. Unless there is a verified tweet of substance, it is a fabrication.

[DB]

It seems highly likely he was clowning around with the gun, aimed at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger.

It clearly wasn't a "prop" gun. It was a real gun.

What he did was careless in the extreme.

[Cyber Liberty]

Frankly, I don’t believe the Clinton connection. It is just something that emerges from the ether. Unless there is a verified tweet of substance, it is a fabrication.

That's right where I am on this right now @Lando Lincoln.  I totally agree with @DB:

It seems highly likely he was clowning around with the gun, aimed at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger.

It clearly wasn't a "prop" gun. It was a real gun.

What he did was careless in the extreme.

Not a "prop gun," that's a lie to downplay what happened.  I'm guessing it is a .45 Peacemaker (being the most famous period piece) with large caliber boolats.  That's a big "Pew!"

Easily enough grains to do a through-and-through on the lady, with inertia to spare that hit the Director.

This entire affair has my head spinning with the recklessness and stupidity.  Look for the Alcohol Defense soon.

[mystery-ak]

With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

Maybe not criminally but I bet he will be sued since this movie and production was all on him...especially if he cut corners and hired non-professionals.

[Lando Lincoln]

Maybe not criminally but I bet he will be sued since this movie and production was all on him...especially if he cut corners and hired non-professionals.

Agree. You and I could live on Baldwin’s attorney fees alone.

[mystery-ak]

Agree. You and I could live on Baldwin’s attorney fees alone.

I am sure he keeps an attorney on retainer at all times..especially with his temper!

[Idiot]

It seems highly likely he was clowning around with the gun, aimed at the cinemaphotographer and pulled the trigger.

It clearly wasn't a "prop" gun. It was a real gun.

What he did was careless in the extreme.

I think you are correct.

[LegalAmerican]

With the "rumored" Clinton connection, I find it likely that this was no accident.

Will Baldwin even be held accountable?  Doubtful...either someone else will take the fall or the issue will just fall be the wayside.

It is said she was a witness in a CLINTON matter. 

[LegalAmerican]

'This is OFFICER TATUMS..evaluation on what happened. 
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Alec Baldwin WAS NEGLIGENT and should be CHARGED
Oct 23, 2021


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umw6IbkPGC8

[Right_in_Virginia]

Agree. You and I could live on Baldwin’s attorney fees alone.

Reports are coming out that not only was there live ammo on the set (a no-no), the guns weren't under lock and key and the gun in question was taken off site for target practice ---

More here:  https://www.tmz.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-rust-gun-accident-used-off-set-target-practice/

Add in the actor-producer didn't check the chamber as required and aimed at a human being (another no-no) and pulled the trigger, I'd be stunned if Baldwin's production insurance paid one cent.

From the armorer's deleted facebook page:: the armorer and the actor-producer:

[Elderberry]

Possible criminal charges for Alec Baldwin…

Citizen Free Press October 24, 2021

https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/possible-criminal-charges-for-alec-baldwin/

Legal experts discuss possible criminal charges against Alec Baldwin

New Mexico criminal attorney Erlinda Johnson, a former state and federal prosecutor, said the actor could face possible criminal liability for involuntary manslaughter.

“All the state needs to demonstrate is that he was engaged in a lawful, but dangerous act and did not act with due caution,” she said. “That’s what the state has to prove for involuntary manslaughter, which is a fourth-degree felony with a maximum penalty of up to 18 months in prison.”

She speculated that Baldwin may rely on the defense that someone handed him the gun, “but then, well it was incumbent upon him, since he was handling the gun, to make sure there were no rounds.”

[Kamaji]

The tidbit about a good lefty like Alec not using union workers is like the cherry on top.

[Idiot]

Here is my thinking on this...right or wrong.  How many of us have played cowboys and indians as kids, using cap guns?  We did it all of the time and yes we pointed the "play guns" at one another.  We KNEW they were not real guns and we were playing.  I look at this movie production as basically adults playing cowboys and indians, with FAKE guns.  With digital technology there is absolutely no reason to have anything but a FAKE play gun on the set of a production.  They can digitally add in the sound....the muzzle blast, you name it.  The FAKE guns could have been 3-D printed.  For the life of me I can't understand how a REAL gun got on the set, not to mention REAL ammo.  This is past insane....

Alec Baldwin likely thought he had a "play gun" in his hand and was playing with the "play gun".  Heck...we all shoot each other with paintball guns and no one thinks twice that it might kill someone as we point the gun at the person.

As much as I dislike Alec Baldwin and it's quite a lot....there is no way I could convict him of murder.  This was a tragic event.  I can't imagine what he's going through and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. 

They all need our prayers....

[roamer_1]

Here is my thinking on this...right or wrong.  How many of us have played cowboys and indians as kids, using cap guns?  We did it all of the time and yes we pointed the "play guns" at one another.  We KNEW they were not real guns and we were playing.  I look at this movie production as basically adults playing cowboys and indians, with FAKE guns.  With digital technology there is absolutely no reason to have anything but a FAKE play gun on the set of a production.  They can digitally add in the sound....the muzzle blast, you name it.  The FAKE guns could have been 3-D printed.  For the life of me I can't understand how a REAL gun got on the set, not to mention REAL ammo.  This is past insane....

Alec Baldwin likely thought he had a "play gun" in his hand and was playing with the "play gun".  Heck...we all shoot each other with paintball guns and no one thinks twice that it might kill someone as we point the gun at the person.

As much as I dislike Alec Baldwin and it's quite a lot....there is no way I could convict him of murder.  This was a tragic event.  I can't imagine what he's going through and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. 

They all need our prayers....

That's probably right.

[Elderberry]

I cannot see murder as murder requires premeditation.

I do believe he should be charged with Involuntary Manslaughter.

https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/homicide/involuntary-manslaughter/

Involuntary Manslaughter

Involuntary manslaughter is defined as an unintentional killing that results either from criminal negligence or the commission of a low-level criminal act such as a misdemeanor. Involuntary manslaughter is distinguished from other forms of homicide because it does not require deliberation or premeditation, or intent. Because neither of these mental states is required, involuntary manslaughter is the lowest level category of homicide.

Criminal Negligence

 The first type of involuntary manslaughter occurs when a defendant negligently commits an act that results in the death of another. The level of negligence required for involuntary manslaughter is higher than normal civil negligence and requires that the defendant have acted in a very unreasonable manner. The exact language used to describe this negligence standard varies by state, but many refer to it as “criminal negligence” or “gross negligence.” State laws also vary as to whether the defendant must have been aware that his conduct was grossly negligent. In some states, the defendant must have known that his conduct was a threat to others, while other states consider whether the actions were objectively negligent, without regard for the defendant’s own perceptions.

It is important to understand that criminal negligence does not require that the defendant have committed an unlawful act. Rather, it criminalizes both lawful and unlawful acts that are committed negligently. For instance, although driving a vehicle is legal, driving that vehicle in a reckless manner may constitute criminal negligence and, if death results, lead to a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

Criminal negligence can also result from a failure to perform an act that the defendant has a duty to perform. Where a parent has a duty to take care of and protect a child, but the child dies when she is left in the car on a hot day, the parent may be culpable for involuntary manslaughter. Another example would be a tour operator who fails to advise his passengers of the proper safety protocols, resulting in the death of a passenger. This tour operator has failed to perform his duty, resulting in criminal negligence.

[DB]

Negligence does not require intention to kill. If you are going to play with potentially deadly weapons you have an obligation to handle them with care to reasonably guarantee you do not harm others.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Alec Baldwin likely thought he had a "play gun" in his hand and was playing with the "play gun".  Heck...we all shoot each other with paintball guns and no one thinks twice that it might kill someone as we point the gun at the person.

It matters not what Baldwin thought.  What matters is what he is must do. 

As the producer, it is his legal obligation to make sure all protocols for guns on the set are followed:  a capable armorer, the security of each weapon, no live ammunition.  As the actor handling the gun it is his responsibility to physically check the gun for bullets of any kind and not to point the gun, under any circumstance, at a human being he did not intend to kill.

A woman, wife, mother is dead due to the producer-actor's  negligence, not because he played with toy guns when he was eight years old.

[Kamaji]

All of the safety protocols that have been developed are there precisely to prevent exactly this sort of an "accident", and Baldwin consciously failed to follow them.  I don't think he intended to kill the poor woman, but he was grossly negligent, both as producer and as actor, and as the person holding a firearm, and he should be forced to accept the consequences of that gross negligence.

[DB]

All of the safety protocols that have been developed are there precisely to prevent exactly this sort of an "accident", and Baldwin consciously failed to follow them.  I don't think he intended to kill the poor woman, but he was grossly negligent, both as producer and as actor, and as the person holding a firearm, and he should be forced to accept the consequences of that gross negligence.

And add to that that he was goofing off with a real gun - not a fake prop. He didn't aim and fire at another actor as part of a script when this happened. He aimed at the lady behind the camera and pulled the trigger thinking it was funny. That is extreme negligence.