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Uttar Pradesh, India, wipes out Covid with ivermectin
« on: September 17, 2021, 02:03:17 am »
JoNova 9/16/2021

Something amazing has happened in Uttar Pradesh.

At the end of April in Uttar Pradesh, every day 35,000 people were catching Covid  and 350 people were dying. With a population of 240 million people living in high density conditions, and with only 5% vaccinated, all the odds were against it.

This week across the whole state there were only 199 active cases in toto and a trickle of new daily cases.

Ponder that Utter Pradesh has about two thirds of the population of the USA and they’re living in a high density environment with a GDP of about $1,000 per capita, which is one sixtieth as much as the average American.  To add some perspective, it was only three years ago that the government finally connected everyone up to electricity.

The richest nations in the world are failing.

33 districts in Uttar Pradesh are now Covid-free

Hindustan Times Sept 10th, 2021

There are no active cases of the coronavirus disease (Covid-19) in 33 districts of Uttar Pradesh, the state government informed on Friday. About 67 districts have not reported a single new case of the viral infection in the last 24 hours, the government said, noting the steady improvement of the Covid-19 situation in the state.

Overall, the state has a total of 199 active cases, while the positivity rate came down to less than 0.01 per cent. The recovery rate, meanwhile, has improved to 98.7 per cent. As per the state’s health bulletin, Uttar Pradesh reported only 11 new Covid-19 cases and zero deaths in the last 24 hours.

It’s always hard to know if places like India are testing enough, and while they definitely weren’t at the peak, they appear to be now. Test positivity in India rose to 15% or more in late April, but by early June was as low as 0.5%.

A test positivity of 15% is not good, but it isn’t the Mexican 60% disaster. Plenty of US states have had similar days.

People may not realize that Ivermectin is not only useful in treating Covid but can also reduce viral loads and thus transmission if it is used early enough. We could be using it to ring-fence Covid — to surround current cases to limit the spread.

Given the safety of ivermectin, why aren’t we doing those trials?  What have we got to lose?

If the Minister of Health says “Trust us” on the vaccines, but isn’t acting as though our health was the most important thing. It it was, he’d be allowing doctors to prescribe it to patients and running trials.

If ivermectin had been used in NSW with detailed contact tracing from the beginning, would they still be in lockdown?
An ivermectin success story

Uttar Pradesh is giving people ivermectin, and not only providing it to those who test positive but giving it to everyone else in their house as well to prevent or at least slow the transmission.

More: https://joannenova.com.au/2021/09/uttar-pradesh-india-wipes-out-covid-with-ivermectin/

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Re: Uttar Pradesh, India, wipes out Covid with ivermectin
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2021, 11:58:49 am »
Wow!  I know a couple of people I'm going to forward this news item to.  I generally don't do that because it doesn't do much good - they just get nasty and combative - but this is something worth rubbing their noses in.

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2021, 12:53:25 pm »
Start with Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2021, 04:57:00 pm »
Start with Anthony Fauci and Joe Biden.
Wouldn't make a difference since it would disrupt their plan to keep Americans in fear so that it's easier to push their socialist agenda. The greatest health risk to Americans is Fauci and Biden.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2021, 05:36:56 pm »

I call Shenanigans.

livemint - Drugs including ivermectin removed from approved covid treatment list (Jun 8th)

New York Times - Tracking Coronavirus in India: Latest Map and Case Count

India Times - DGHS drops Ivermectin, Doxycycline from Covid-19 treatment; ICMR rules unchanged
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/revised-health-ministry-guidelines-stop-usage-of-ivermectin-doxycycline-in-covid-treatment-1811809-2021-06-07

Hindustan Times - Govt drops Ivermectin, HCQ and favipiravir from Covid-19 treatment list
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/govt-drops-ivermectin-hcq-and-favipiravir-from-covid-19-treatment-list-101623058343019.html
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2021, 05:42:34 pm »
I call Shenanigans.

livemint - Drugs including ivermectin removed from approved covid treatment list (Jun 8th)

New York Times - Tracking Coronavirus in India: Latest Map and Case Count

India Times - DGHS drops Ivermectin, Doxycycline from Covid-19 treatment; ICMR rules unchanged
https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/revised-health-ministry-guidelines-stop-usage-of-ivermectin-doxycycline-in-covid-treatment-1811809-2021-06-07

Hindustan Times - Govt drops Ivermectin, HCQ and favipiravir from Covid-19 treatment list
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/govt-drops-ivermectin-hcq-and-favipiravir-from-covid-19-treatment-list-101623058343019.html



WADR, what you have cited to are the federal government's guidelines, not the guidelines, or actual care allowed, in Uttar Pradesh, one of the states within the Republic of India.

The article posted by the OP is limited to Uttar Pradesh, not to the Indian federal government as a whole.

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2021, 06:08:32 pm »

theJournal.ie - FactCheck: Has the drug ivermectin been proven to be effective against Covid-19?

... Dr Kory used a number of countries as examples of success stories. He referenced the state of Uttar Pradesh in India which began using ivermectin in August 2020.

“They had a surge in April, in May, because of all of the migrant workers coming back from the cities, but they put it down very quickly with aggressive testing and ivermectin use,” he said.

Dr Kory did not mention that the administration of Uttar Pradesh also introduced lockdown restrictions at the end of April to curb the spread of the virus, extending them a number of times across the entire month of May. ...
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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2021, 06:12:42 pm »
Utterly typical.

The only thing that will save your soul is Saint Fauci's holy jab.

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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2021, 11:55:18 pm »
For the same reason expressed here:
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The study has been widely characterised as misleading, according to Brazilian factchecking site Estadão Verifica because it heavily emphasised ivermectin in its results, though that drug was one of three included in the kit and was only taken over a period of two days.


The tests of Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin have been misleading, too. Hydroxychloroquine use was initially proposed as ONE PART of a three part regimen, in this case with Azithromycin and Zinc supplementation. Similarly, Ivermectin use was proposed as ONE PART of a three part regimen, in concert with doxycycline and Zinc supplementation.

Test one part and you have cut two legs off a three legged stool and then say it fails to work as a seat.

Why a three part regimen?

Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin act as ionophores (there are other substances which do this also) which act to admit Zinc ions into the Type 1 Pneumocytes that the virus affects. The Type 1 Pneumocytes are the lung cells which perform the exchange of Oxygen and CO2 with the bloodstream. Those are the cells the SARS-CoV-2 lab-engineered virus targets, and that was noted in the scientific journal Nature paper in which the chimera was announced (in 2015, just after the research had been moved from North Carolina to Wuhan).

When the virus uses the spike protein to gain access to the cell at the ACE2 receptor site, it injects its RNA into the cell. Ordinarily, there is little to no zinc in those cells, only a tiny fraction of what the average person gets in their diet, primarily from red meat (what the FDA has been telling us for years we are supposed to eat little of).

IF there is no zinc present, the virus hijacks the proteins in the cell and replicates, eventually destroying the cell and setting off the body's cleanup system.

 I won't go into that, but if that system goes into overdrive, the body experiences a Cytokine Storm, where the immune system attacks healthy cells, and most likely the patient will die.

In the process of destroying Type 1 Pneumocytes and replicating, the virus leaves the patient with fewer sites to exchange oxygen and CO2 with the blood stream, and the patient becomes "short of breath" (hypoxic, if this goes unchecked).

IF, however, enough zinc is present in the Type 1 Pneumocytes, it interferes with the ability of the virus to replicate. This is a well documented phenomenon, and was noted with SARS. It is also the reason, incidentally, that most cold and flu remedies contain zinc. (Some flavonoids also act as ionophores.)

The ionophore acts as a transport mechanism to get the zinc in. Without those two legs of the stool (one being zinc supplementation), the only zinc that the body has to work with is what it has scrounged from the patient's diet, and often, the treatment is doomed to failure. This is why testing just the ionophore without the Zinc is not indicative of the potential of these antiparasitic drugs to stop the virus, because they are being tested alone.

The third leg of the stool is an antibiotic, ideally a Macrolide antibiotic like azithromycin or Erythromycin which also (idiopathically) helps to regulate the immune system and keep it from going into overdrive and attacking healthy cells (the reason so many early victims had diffuse blood clots in their lungs). There is also the benefit of fighting or prophylaxis against opportunistic bacterial infections.

All three and you have a winner. just one, and you likely don't.  I have taken Ivermectin and zinc and got well in four days.
The ideal time to administer this regimen is at the earliest sign of symptoms, when the virus can be stopped from replicating and damaging cells most effectively. Delay increases viral load, and that viral load comes at the cost of Type 1 Pneumocytes, and, ultimately, the patient's ability to breathe.

Many of the studies which showed the drugs (HCQ and Ivermectin) to be failures are crafted, and have been from the start, for the drugs to do just that: fail.
The  drugs were administered to hospitalized moderate to late stage patients, whose lungs were already damaged severely, without the macrolide antibiotic or zinc, which are essential to the therapy and preventing severe cytokine reactions, well after the damage was done.   

In some cases, the amounts of the drugs administered were toxic, and in one study in Brazil, the LD50 (of Chloroquine) was exceeded for patients by a factor exceeding three. Naturally, patients died. Only a normal clinical dose was needed to act as an ionophore.

Early on, I pointed out the basic problems in these studies, and the fact that not one of them administered the critical zinc supplementation.  If the patients did not have a diet high in red meat, or for vegans, high in beans and legumes, seeds, nuts, oatmeal, tofu, or spinach, chances are their outcome was below optimal.

Now, think about hospital food, for the patient who has been there a few days, and the odds of survival go down.

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Indian state with 240 million people completely eradicated covid with ivermectin

09/20/2021 / By Ethan Huff

How did an Indian state with more than 240 million residents beat the Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19)? Simple. Its people took ivermectin.

Uttar Pradesh, located in northern India, has officially declared that all 33 of its districts are now “covid-free” thanks to a benevolent effort by the leaders there to provide everyone with “horse dewormer.”

The recovery rate for the Chinese Virus in Uttar Pradesh is a whopping 98.7 percent, which can be directly attributed to the large-scale prophylactic use of ivermectin.

According to the Western media and medical establishment, there is “no evidence” that ivermectin provides any benefits in the fight against Chinese Germs. According to real-life, on-the-ground proof in India, however, ivermectin really has been a miracle.

https://www.science.news/2021-09-20-indian-state-completely-eradicated-covid-ivermectin.html

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I'll say it for the 100th time. 

(1) I have used Ivermectin on my dogs for preventitive treatment for heart worms for 30 years
(2) There have been several studies that show Ivermectin potentially causes seizures in dogs.
(3) One of my English Bulldogs died of seizures about 10 years ago, without any preexisting neurological issues or trauma.
(4) This material has been around at least that long, and has had that long to determine its efficacy against other disorders for humans

What you put in your body is your business.  But I'd hope Briefers are smarter than self medicating with a substance that on one hand may help, but OTOH, may have serious side effects and danger.
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Hi, catfish,

I had to find a new doctor since I moved back to my home in Conroe, Texas.
I called a doctor's office, said I am a new patient, and we sat an appointment date.  Told her I should let her know I cannot take the vaccine so would wear a mask and did she want to put me in a room away from doctors/patients.

I got this reply:  "Oh, sure you can wear a mask if you want.  We don't worry about the virus around here."

Yes, I was shocked to hear that.

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Hi, catfish,

I had to find a new doctor since I moved back to my home in Conroe, Texas.
I called a doctor's office, said I am a new patient, and we sat an appointment date.  Told her I should let her know I cannot take the vaccine so would wear a mask and did she want to put me in a room away from doctors/patients.

I got this reply:  "Oh, sure you can wear a mask if you want.  We don't worry about the virus around here."

Yes, I was shocked to hear that.

My MD thinks this is a Fauci/Gates plot for wealth.  He's probably right.

And btw, its great to have you back.
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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2021, 07:08:41 pm »
Ivermectin has also been approved for use in humans for certain conditions, and has been compounded for humans.

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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2021, 07:13:01 pm »
Ivermectin has also been approved for use in humans for certain conditions, and has been compounded for humans.

Yeah, formulations, mixtures, and pharma variants that have gone through the proper efficacy reviews.  Then specifically prescribed by their MD.

The fear is some yahoo, goes out to his Tractor Supply scores a bottle, and self medicates with the same thing I administer to my dogs .......



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Yeah, formulations, mixtures, and pharma variants that have gone through the proper efficacy reviews.  Then specifically prescribed by their MD.

The fear is some yahoo, goes out to his Tractor Supply scores a bottle, and self medicates with the same thing I administer to my dogs .......





So, to avoid that one yahoo, we have to lie about the substance itself, to induce through fear, a reluctance on the part of anyone to try and work this out for themselves?

As long as the information is available to know what the risk factors are, how the compounding might affect one, and the fact that it's not a simple weight ratio for working out the dosage, I'd rather that one yahoo did the rest of us a favor and off himself.

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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2021, 07:34:09 pm »
So, to avoid that one yahoo, we have to lie about the substance itself, to induce through fear, a reluctance on the part of anyone to try and work this out for themselves?

As long as the information is available to know what the risk factors are, how the compounding might affect one, and the fact that it's not a simple weight ratio for working out the dosage, I'd rather that one yahoo did the rest of us a favor and off himself.

You also assume only one yahoo.  I haven't lied or misled.  I did want to bring up, that there were likely canine seizure risks with the use.  Not that there is the same physiology betweern us, and dogs.  I am just saying that (and this comes from my pre-Med days) that a lot of people in history have died trying to self medicate.   It is with risk, and I hope there is enough common sense out there to know those risks
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I'll say it for the 100th time. 

(1) I have used Ivermectin on my dogs for preventitive treatment for heart worms for 30 years
(2) There have been several studies that show Ivermectin potentially causes seizures in dogs.
(3) One of my English Bulldogs died of seizures about 10 years ago, without any preexisting neurological issues or trauma.
(4) This material has been around at least that long, and has had that long to determine its efficacy against other disorders for humans

What you put in your body is your business.  But I'd hope Briefers are smarter than self medicating with a substance that on one hand may help, but OTOH, may have serious side effects and danger.

You are right! What I choose to do is MY business and, believe it or not, there are still some who can read labels and do math.
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2021, 07:52:45 pm »
Ivermectin has also been approved for use in humans for certain conditions, and has been compounded for humans.
Incidentally, the weight-based dose for horses is the same as the weight based dose for humans, 0.2mg/kg. Regardless of mammalian system, it appears the serum concentration needed to be effective is the same.

Yes, some breeds of dogs are known to have a problem with the drug. I have posted a list of those on another thread.

If people don't want to take a Nobel prize winning drug for humans because it made their dog (a susceptible breed) have seizures, that is their choice. Before giving your dog ivermectin, please read the following, as those adverse reactions and breeds are noted. https://www.thesprucepets.com/is-ivermectin-safe-dogs-and-cats-3384698

As for humans, the Mayo Clinic says this: https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397

Personally, I have taken the drug (yes, the equine variety) with zinc (50mg supplement)  for COVID symptoms, along with Vitamin C (2000 mg) and got well rather quickly, with no ill effects. My dose was weight based and actually a little less then the dosage for my weight, by a couple of milligrams. We all make our own decisions, and this worked for me. YMMV. Make your own choices.

Quercetin (500mg) is supposed to have the same ionophoric effect as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, is sold OTC as a supplement, and will get Zinc into your Type 1 Pneumocytes as well (to stop viral replication), so there are options if you choose to go with an early onset treatment strategy. Studies which decry the use of Ivermectin for COVID tested ONLY the Ivermectin, not the combination of Ivermectin and Zinc supplementation, just like studies of Hydroxychloroquine did not include Zinc supplementation, even though Dr. Zelenko pointed out when this kerfuffle started that the Zinc is what actually stops viral replication, and that Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, or Quercetin, in clinical doses, acts as an ionophore to get the zinc into the Type 1 Pneumocytes (which are the cells the virus targets) to stop viral replication. That same inhibiting effect of Zinc was noted with SARS, almost 20 years ago https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/29/zinc-ions-and-fight-against-sars, and has been verified more recently: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8349606/, not just for SARS-CoV-2, but for other coronaviruses as well. Read the medical journal articles, check out the links, don't just take my word for it. I have researched the topic exhaustively, confining my research to the journals, not wild-eyed websites.

From a conflict of interest standpoint, do hospitals still get 13K for a COVID patient, 37K for an ICU COVID patient, like they were doing when this all started? Between that and insurance money and Pharma getting rich off the jabs, there are plenty of pecuniary reasons to try to discredit the inexpensive off-the-shelf treatment options that have proven effective at preventing hospitalization.  Notably, almost every study conducted on Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine left out Zinc in the study, and the drugs were administered to already hospitalized patients, often with multiple comorbidities, and sometimes (in the case of Chloroquine in Brazil) in toxic dosages, as if the studies were designed to discredit the treatments rather than honestly test the regimen.

What we do know, is that the jabs do not protect against subsequent variants, or only offer limited protection for the person who has them. Those people can still carry a viral load equivalent to an unvaccinated person who is too sick to be out and about, effectively making them carriers. Natural immunity has been shown to be broader based, with greater resistance to the variants. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4, and https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3838993 and that being "fully" vaccinated may actually have an immune reducing effect on persons recovered from SARS-CoV-2 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.22.436441v1
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2021, 07:55:22 pm »
Yeah, formulations, mixtures, and pharma variants that have gone through the proper efficacy reviews.  Then specifically prescribed by their MD.

The fear is some yahoo, goes out to his Tractor Supply scores a bottle, and self medicates with the same thing I administer to my dogs .......


You inject your dogs with the cattle and swine variant?
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2021, 07:56:09 pm »
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2021, 07:58:31 pm »
You inject your dogs with the cattle and swine variant?

Yep, but not injected, at Vet's direction, which is in a highy dilute formula and administered orally.
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2021, 08:01:42 pm »
Incidentally, the weight-based dose for horses is the same as the weight based dose for humans, 0.2mg/kg. Regardless of mammalian system, it appears the serum concentration needed to be effective is the same.

Yes, some breeds of dogs are known to have a problem with the drug. I have posted a list of those on another thread.

If people don't want to take a Nobel prize winning drug for humans because it made their dog (a susceptible breed) have seizures, that is their choice. Before giving your dog ivermectin, please read the following, as those adverse reactions and breeds are noted. https://www.thesprucepets.com/is-ivermectin-safe-dogs-and-cats-3384698

As for humans, the Mayo Clinic says this: https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/ivermectin-oral-route/proper-use/drg-20064397

Personally, I have taken the drug (yes, the equine variety) with zinc (50mg supplement)  for COVID symptoms, along with Vitamin C (2000 mg) and got well rather quickly, with no ill effects. My dose was weight based and actually a little less then the dosage for my weight, by a couple of milligrams. We all make our own decisions, and this worked for me. YMMV. Make your own choices.

Quercetin (500mg) is supposed to have the same ionophoric effect as Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine, is sold OTC as a supplement, and will get Zinc into your Type 1 Pneumocytes as well (to stop viral replication), so there are options if you choose to go with an early onset treatment strategy. Studies which decry the use of Ivermectin for COVID tested ONLY the Ivermectin, not the combination of Ivermectin and Zinc supplementation, just like studies of Hydroxychloroquine did not include Zinc supplementation, even though Dr. Zelenko pointed out when this kerfuffle started that the Zinc is what actually stops viral replication, and that Ivermectin, Hydroxychloroquine, or Quercetin, in clinical doses, acts as an ionophore to get the zinc into the Type 1 Pneumocytes (which are the cells the virus targets) to stop viral replication. That same inhibiting effect of Zinc was noted with SARS, almost 20 years ago https://www.bmj.com/rapid-response/2011/10/29/zinc-ions-and-fight-against-sars, and has been verified more recently: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8349606/, not just for SARS-CoV-2, but for other coronaviruses as well. Read the medical journal articles, check out the links, don't just take my word for it. I have researched the topic exhaustively, confining my research to the journals, not wild-eyed websites.

From a conflict of interest standpoint, do hospitals still get 13K for a COVID patient, 37K for an ICU COVID patient, like they were doing when this all started? Between that and insurance money and Pharma getting rich off the jabs, there are plenty of pecuniary reasons to try to discredit the inexpensive off-the-shelf treatment options that have proven effective at preventing hospitalization.  Notably, almost every study conducted on Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine left out Zinc in the study, and the drugs were administered to already hospitalized patients, often with multiple comorbidities, and sometimes (in the case of Chloroquine in Brazil) in toxic dosages, as if the studies were designed to discredit the treatments rather than honestly test the regimen.

What we do know, is that the jabs do not protect against subsequent variants, or only offer limited protection for the person who has them. Those people can still carry a viral load equivalent to an unvaccinated person who is too sick to be out and about, effectively making them carriers. Natural immunity has been shown to be broader based, with greater resistance to the variants. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4, and https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3838993 and that being "fully" vaccinated may actually have an immune reducing effect on persons recovered from SARS-CoV-2 https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.22.436441v1
Educate yourselves and make your own decisions.

Where the danger lies is in buying something that contains ingredients that you do not want to ingest.  For example, many paste horse wormers have ivermectin as well as other ingredients (boticides). Those should be avoided.
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