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Offline Kamaji

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False Nostalgia
« on: January 26, 2022, 10:38:43 pm »
False Nostalgia

The "good old days" weren't all that good—but they're still messing with politics.

Johan Norberg
January 2022 Issue

If you visit Hagley Park in the West Midlands of England and make it to the big 18th century house of the Lyttelton family, walk another half-mile to the east and you'll come upon an exotic and impressive sight once you clear the trees.

In front of you is what seems like the ruins of a Gothic castle. There are four corner towers, but only one is still standing, complete with battlements and an intersecting stair turret. The others are reduced to one or two stories and the wall connecting them has collapsed. Just two remaining windows impress the spectator with their tall Gothic arches. Below them is a pointed doorway and above it three shield reliefs.

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The answer is none. The ruin was constructed just like this in the mid–18th century. The purpose was to give the impression that this was a place of wonder where a magnificent castle had once been until time, nature, and a few heroic (or barbaric) acts reduced it to a state of decay. It is a selective, artificial version of history—very much like the politics of nostalgia that are in vogue today. They tap into a powerful sentiment, a widespread yearning for the good old days. When asked if life in their country is better or worse today than 50 years ago, 31 percent of the British, 41 percent of Americans, and 46 percent of the French say that it is worse.

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Nostalgia and Nationalism
The term nostalgia was coined by the Swiss doctor Johannes Hofer in 1688. It was his word for the sad, obsessive desire of students, servants, and soldiers in foreign lands to return to their home. In The Future of Nostalgia, comparative literature scholar Svetlana Boym points to the curious fact that, by the end of the 18th century, intellectuals from different national traditions began to claim they had a special term for bittersweet homesickness that did not exist in any other language. Germans had heimweh, French people had maladie du pays, Russians had toska, and Polish people had tesknota. Other emerging nations also claimed that only they, because of their unique national identity, knew the true meaning of the sad, beautiful welling-up of longing. Boym "is struck by the fact that all these untranslatable words are in fact synonyms; and all share the desire for untranslatability, the longing for uniqueness."

This was the era when governments and intellectuals began to construct national identities, especially to resist occupation during the Napoleonic Wars and to rebuild afterward. The folk songs they praised as a pure expression of the people's traditional sentiments were rewritten with new lyrics because the old ones were just a little bit too authentic—far too vulgar and not sufficiently patriotic. Authorities also created national languages, often by systematizing a local dialect and enforcing it on everybody through the education system. Linguistic boundaries became rigid, and many oral traditions perished. In the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, which lasted until 1806, only one-quarter of the population spoke German. Even in Prussia, which did the most to encourage poets and writers to create a common German identity to resist Napoleon, German was just one of six major languages. At the 1815 Congress of Vienna, Prussia was registered as a "Slav kingdom," and Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel talked of Brandenburg and Mecklenburg as "Germanized Slavs." In his book The Myth of Nations, the historian Patrick J. Geary claimed that even in a country like France, with centuries-old national boundaries and long linguistic traditions, not many more than half spoke French as their native language in 1900. Others spoke different Romance languages and dialects, and in some areas Celtic and Germanic languages.

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Although strong, those memories are notoriously unreliable. When schoolchildren returning from summer holiday are asked to name good and bad things from the break, their lists are almost equally long. When the exercise is repeated a couple of months later, the list of good things grows longer and the bad list gets shorter. By the end of the year, the good things have pushed out the bad from their memories completely. They don't remember their summer anymore; just their idealized image of it. It is difficult for any version of the present to compete with that.

We should beware of politicians, populists, and parents who claim that things were better in the past and that we should try to recreate that former world. Certainly some things were better and we should investigate and learn from that, but trusting our gut feeling is letting ourselves be deceived by our reminiscence bump.

Nostalgia is a necessary human psychological trait, but it's not a governing philosophy.

Source:  https://reason.com/2021/12/05/false-nostalgia/


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Re: False Nostalgia
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2022, 11:50:25 pm »
I will reject this notion out of hand.

Pining for what was - when it was better - is not a function of romance, and the statement that one only remembers the good is false...

Pointing to days gone by can be tremendously grounding. Not in any idealized fashion, but as a matter of practicality.

That is the foundation of Conservatism btw... preserving that which was and always has been.

Life is hard. Life is always hard. So it is not unusual for someone of a lesser age to think it worse now than in yesteryear. But then, they would not know that, as they had not experienced it.

And one can point to 'advancements', so called, and some are legitimate. Yes, modern medicine has overturned very radical problems of the past... But with it, modernity has brought on new problems, just as deadly, and in many ways more so.

Through it all there is a sweet spot - A place where things are even. There is an old Chinese curse in two parts:

'May you live in interesting times...'
AND
'May you find what you are looking for.'

There is an incredible obverse wisdom in that. And that kinda describes that sweet spot.

We live in an age of incredible stresses. Just two generations ago - My grandfather on my mother's side was THERE for the change from mostly horse or ox drawn farm equipment through steam tractors becoming widely available to a small farmer, to the old Johnny Popper with a hand crank, and he died in the era of a more-or less modern midsize tractor that would be familiar enough today.

What was his view on the worth of it? He said the garden has always been the same. the canning has always been the same... but as to the farm, the cost of the machinery more or less offset the increase in yield the machinery produced... He was forced to buy the back 40 (increasing his farm to 80 acres) basically because his profits had so narrowed that he HAD to get more land under his plow... which put him behind the gun again, as now his machinery could not handle the additional acreage... And the debt for better machinery offset the profit he had assumed in acquiring the back 40... And so it goes.

There is a lesson in that. To a degree, one cannot stay with a horse and buggy as the world marks its increase. But his view was that if he had stayed with the Johnny Popper and the front 40 he would have probably been better off. Yes, he may have had less harvest, but his costs would have been far less too.

Farmers today are figuring this out too... Returning to the land with 'new' old ideas... Eschewing modern methods that rely on chemicals and monolithic crops. Rejecting modern GMO seed for the hardier heritage crops... And it works. Restorative farming will take land that is all the way worn out, with but a 1/2" of topsoil left, And make it viable again in a matter of years... From a bramble wasteland to reclaimed pastures feeding cattle, and topsoil four inches deep - As I said, in a matter of years - Half a decade. And the result is a low-stress, low-cost farm that turns a modest but sustainable profit.

I would suggest the very same approach in all of life's ways. There is a sweet spot that has been all but forgotten. In my youth, gardens were plentiful - even in the suburbs of a major city. And that is not just the superior food source that is on point (though it should not be denied) There is a whole ecosystem around that garden - the beauty of it, the family time, teaching children with the chores, trading stock with neighbors (community), the joy of harvest, the hard work and accomplishment of putting it up... All that, not to mention the vastly superior product and the satisfaction of that product in the hand that grew it.

Somewhere along the line, we have been trained to eschew the old thing... to rely on the hubris of modernity and the fickle winds of science instead of what works.

I don't suppose it to be all good back in the day - As I said, it was hard... But find that sweet spot, and you will find it IS better... And that place is relatively the same in any age.

Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that YHWH gives thee...


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Re: False Nostalgia
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2022, 01:25:32 pm »
False nostalgia ...










etc, etc, etc, etc, ...


Them was all good times!

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Re: False Nostalgia
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2022, 02:21:07 pm »
False nostalgia ...

etc, etc, etc, etc, ...


Them was all good times!

Naw... merely the hubris of modernity. Everything represented in your photos is still present in the world today - Much of it still present in the USA itself...

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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2022, 02:23:40 pm »
Naw... merely the hubris of modernity. Everything represented in your photos is still present in the world today - Much of it still present in the USA itself...


Nah, it ain't.  Not to the depth and degree that it was back in the "good old days".  Certainly legal bondage is no longer present in the U.S., period.

But yeah, those pre-1860s days, those were a hootenany for anyone fortunate enough to have sufficient melanin in their skin. 


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Re: False Nostalgia
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2022, 02:30:30 pm »

Nah, it ain't.  Not to the depth and degree that it was back in the "good old days".  Certainly legal bondage is no longer present in the U.S., period.

But yeah, those pre-1860s days, those were a hootenany for anyone fortunate enough to have sufficient melanin in their skin.
Human trafficing, slavery, may be "against the law" but if we are not enforcing the law, then how can it be illegal?

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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2022, 02:33:58 pm »
Human trafficing, slavery, may be "against the law" but if we are not enforcing the law, then how can it be illegal?


Huh?  :shrug:

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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2022, 02:40:02 pm »
Huh?  :shrug:
If you do not enforce a rule/law, then the rule/law really does not exist, right?

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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2022, 02:44:21 pm »
If you do not enforce a rule/law, then the rule/law really does not exist, right?


If you say so, chief.

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Re: False Nostalgia
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2022, 02:47:15 pm »

Nah, it ain't.  Not to the depth and degree that it was back in the "good old days".  Certainly legal bondage is no longer present in the U.S., period.


YES, it is, with the exception that there is no famine here currently. I can take you twenty miles from right here to folks that are dirt floor poor... to that degree.

And as to legal bondage, you'll note that the field of play is the world, not just the US, and slavery is very much still present, as is illegal bondage right here.

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But yeah, those pre-1860s days, those were a hootenany for anyone fortunate enough to have sufficient melanin in their skin.

bah. Again centric to the US and a specific age. PLENTY of white folks have endured slavery too. and plenty of white folks in the Southern US were hardly more than slaves. Still your focus on the worst of the dregs is disingenuous - As I said, all are still present today. That is not the norm.

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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2022, 02:48:55 pm »
YES, it is, with the exception that there is no famine here currently. I can take you twenty miles from right here to folks that are dirt floor poor... to that degree.

And as to legal bondage, you'll note that the field of play is the world, not just the US, and slavery is very much still present, as is illegal bondage right here.

bah. Again centric to the US and a specific age. PLENTY of white folks have endured slavery too. and plenty of white folks in the Southern US were hardly more than slaves. Still your focus on the worst of the dregs is disingenuous - As I said, all are still present today. That is not the norm.


/snicker


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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2022, 09:46:43 pm »

/snicker


There are none so blind as those who will not see.

YUP... But that ain't me. I have actually experienced life in something approximating the late 1800s/early 1900s For quite some time...

Everything I used to do for fun when I could find the time, instead I was doing every day, as subsistence requires it... Hunting and fishing, trapping, simple ranching, and farming.

Beats the hell out of the rat race and that's what I am trying to get back to.
Few people today can even grok a life without schedules and high speed commuting, McMansions and McDonalds. It's all bullshit.

Step off into the woods for a week with nothing but what you can put on your back... Feel the stress just slide off you... And think about doing that every day. This ain't better. THAT is.
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« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2022, 04:30:55 am »
Nostalgia is a meaningless triviality, given our condition.
Plato, arguably the wisest ever created by the Almighty, defined the essence of Man as his Psyche (Soul) comprised of:
* Reason, allowing his Mind to absorb ideas and create,
* Spirit, allowing Man to reflect Spiritual sensibilities in his behavior,
* Appetite, allowing Man to reflect Material sensibilities in his behavior,
Since the French Enlightenment, 300 years past, Materialism has overwhelmed Man's Spiritual sensibilities self-evidently.
We will either recapture the wisdom of the Ancients or we will simply decline and fade away!!!
 

« Last Edit: January 28, 2022, 05:10:35 am by Absalom »

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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2022, 06:49:39 am »
Nostalgia is a meaningless triviality, given our condition.


Says the guy who invokes it on a philosphical basis every post.   
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