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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #650 on: October 13, 2021, 03:29:06 pm »
Well now I have more ammo for my paper work for an exemption from the vaccine.

Natural immunity.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #651 on: October 13, 2021, 04:17:54 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 13, 2021, 03:29:06 pm
Well now I have more ammo for my paper work for an exemption from the vaccine.

Natural immunity.

From the journal ImmunityDiscrete Immune Response Signature to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination Versus Infection https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3838993

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While both infection and vaccination induced robust innate and adaptive immune responses, our analysis revealed significant qualitative differences between the two types of immune challenges. In COVID-19 patients, immune responses were characterized by a highly augmented interferon response which was largely absent in vaccine recipients. Increased interferon signaling likely contributed to the observed dramatic upregulation of cytotoxic genes in the peripheral T cells and innate-like lymphocytes in patients but not in immunized subjects. Analysis of B and T cell receptor repertoires revealed that while the majority of clonal B and T cells in COVID-19 patients were effector cells, in vaccine recipients clonally expanded cells were primarily circulating memory cells. Importantly, the divergence in immune subsets engaged, the transcriptional differences in key immune populations, and the differences in maturation of adaptive immune cells revealed by our analysis have far-ranging implications for immunity to this novel pathogen.



(In a nutshell, natural immunity is superior to the vaccine, once you have natural immunity.)
But wait, there's more!

Differential effects of the second SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine dose on T cell immunity in naïve and COVID-19 recovered individuals found at https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.22.436441v1
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Our results demonstrate that the second dose increases both the humoral and cellular immunity in naïve individuals. On the contrary, the second BNT162b2 vaccine dose results in a reduction of cellular immunity in COVID-19 recovered individuals, which suggests that a second dose, according to the current standard regimen of vaccination, may be not necessary in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.
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Notably, the second shot actually has been observed to reduce  immunity in patients who have recovered from COVID and who have acquired natural immunity.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #652 on: October 13, 2021, 04:26:26 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 13, 2021, 04:17:54 pm
From the journal ImmunityDiscrete Immune Response Signature to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA Vaccination Versus Infection https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3838993



(In a nutshell, natural immunity is superior to the vaccine, once you have natural immunity.)
But wait, there's more!

That makes sense and lines up with everything I've been reading on my own.

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Differential effects of the second SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine dose on T cell immunity in naïve and COVID-19 recovered individuals found at https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.22.436441v1(emphasis mine)

Notably, the second shot actually has been observed to reduce  immunity in patients who have recovered from COVID and who have acquired natural immunity.

Since I picked this up from my better half who took the Moderna shots...I'm of the firm belief that the vaccine makes you more vulnerable to getting the virus and passing it on to others.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
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« Reply #654 on: October 14, 2021, 02:35:36 pm »
There are groups beginning to form via social media linking federal employees from across the country and they are pooling their resources to combat this mandate that is being forced on us.

IMO the Biden Admin is going to be very taken abak at the resistance they run into when the deadlines for us to get jabbed start approaching.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #655 on: October 14, 2021, 02:37:22 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 14, 2021, 02:35:36 pm
There are groups beginning to form via social media linking federal employees from across the country and they are pooling their resources to combat this mandate that is being forced on us.

IMO the Biden Admin is going to be very taken abak at the resistance they run into when the deadlines for us to get jabbed start approaching.

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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #656 on: October 14, 2021, 02:46:54 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 14, 2021, 02:35:36 pm
There are groups beginning to form via social media linking federal employees from across the country and they are pooling their resources to combat this mandate that is being forced on us.

IMO the Biden Admin is going to be very taken abak at the resistance they run into when the deadlines for us to get jabbed start approaching.
Be careful.  DHS and DOJ monitor those groups under the guise of terrorism.  I would not be surprised if these folks start losing clearances and/or jobs soon.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #657 on: October 14, 2021, 02:52:21 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on October 14, 2021, 02:46:54 pm
Be careful.  DHS and DOJ monitor those groups under the guise of terrorism.  I would not be surprised if these folks start losing clearances and/or jobs soon.
If that happens, it only proves that the current Administration is what it is--an adolescent form of Totalitarianism, waiting to grow into a full fledged oppressive Communist dictatorship.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #658 on: October 14, 2021, 03:00:20 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 13, 2021, 04:17:54 pm
Notably, the second shot actually has been observed to reduce  immunity in patients who have recovered from COVID and who have acquired natural immunity.

The mRNA jab is in itself a foreign invader that will provoke an immune response.  A normal vaccine introduces a weakened or dead version of a virus into the body, provoking an immune response against it.  But the mRNA jab introduces instead introduces a program to generate an immune response against something other than itself.  So it has to first suppress the body's immune response against the program so that the program can be allowed to run.

The problem is that this immune response suppression does not only suppress the immune response against the mRNA jab program, but that suppression spills over against other agents.  Thus, the immune response against the virus itself (one it breaks through the protein coat and reveals itself to the body) is compromised.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #659 on: October 14, 2021, 03:07:31 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on October 14, 2021, 02:52:21 pm
If that happens, it only proves that the current Administration is what it is--an adolescent form of Totalitarianism, waiting to grow into a full fledged oppressive Communist dictatorship.

I think that is one mistake that folks are making, underestimating the governments thirst for totalitarianism...
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #660 on: October 14, 2021, 03:10:32 pm »
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The mRNA jab is in itself a foreign invader that will provoke an immune response.  A normal vaccine introduces a weakened or dead version of a virus into the body, provoking an immune response against it.  But the mRNA jab introduces instead introduces a program to generate an immune response against something other than itself.  So it has to first suppress the body's immune response against the program so that the program can be allowed to run.

The problem is that this immune response suppression does not only suppress the immune response against the mRNA jab program, but that suppression spills over against other agents.  Thus, the immune response against the virus itself (one it breaks through the protein coat and reveals itself to the body) is compromised.

But…but…but St. Fauci says it’s completely safe.  *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #661 on: October 14, 2021, 03:16:35 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on October 14, 2021, 02:46:54 pm
Be careful.  DHS and DOJ monitor those groups under the guise of terrorism.  I would not be surprised if these folks start losing clearances and/or jobs soon.

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Not to mention arrested on bogus felony charges.,

The feds don't have to win because they can drag it out in court until the arrested people become bankrupt and accept a plea bargain so the goobermint can save face and they can get THAT "monkey" off their backs.

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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #662 on: October 14, 2021, 03:23:20 pm »
Quote from: sneakypete on October 14, 2021, 03:16:35 pm
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Not to mention arrested on bogus felony charges.,

The feds don't have to win because they can drag it out in court until the arrested people become bankrupt and accept a plea bargain so the goobermint can save face and they can get THAT "monkey" off their backs.
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Exactly.... Most federal positions that I am aware of require at least a public trust clearance and a conviction will kill that and creditors view that with a real negative so the impact is huge..
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« Reply #663 on: October 14, 2021, 03:24:38 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on October 14, 2021, 02:46:54 pm
Be careful.  DHS and DOJ monitor those groups under the guise of terrorism.  I would not be surprised if these folks start losing clearances and/or jobs soon.

Yeah we're very aware of that possibility.  But standing up for what you believe in always comes with risk.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #664 on: October 14, 2021, 03:26:30 pm »
I hope you aren't flying over Thanksgiving. 40% of TSA workers are not vaxxed
https://www.wlwt.com/article/40-percent-tsa-employees-are-unvaccinated/37953501

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« Reply #665 on: October 14, 2021, 03:29:04 pm »
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I hope you aren't flying over Thanksgiving. 40% of TSA workers are not vaxxed
https://www.wlwt.com/article/40-percent-tsa-employees-are-unvaccinated/37953501

The threat to travelers are the 60% who are.
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Re: Biden to mandate Covid vaccine for federal workers, removing option to get tested instead
« Reply #666 on: October 14, 2021, 03:32:01 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 14, 2021, 03:24:38 pm
Yeah we're very aware of that possibility.  But standing up for what you believe in always comes with risk.
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« Reply #667 on: October 14, 2021, 04:05:55 pm »
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Not to mention arrested on bogus felony charges.,

The feds don't have to win because they can drag it out in court until the arrested people become bankrupt and accept a plea bargain so the goobermint can save face and they can get THAT "monkey" off their backs.
I had nothing when I got here. It won't matter when I leave. I've lived lean and mean a few times in the meantime.
Through it all (and I emphasize this with the kids) there are two things that can't be taken from me, what I know, and my soul (already dedicated to God).
In the meantime, they will be the ones having fits.
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« Reply #671 on: October 15, 2021, 01:49:16 pm »
Quote from: txradioguy on October 13, 2021, 04:26:26 pm
Since I picked this up from my better half who took the Moderna shots...I'm of the firm belief that the vaccine makes you more vulnerable to getting the virus and passing it on to others.

That is the 'medical reason' I plan to use against my employer when they implement mandates.  "Getting the jab will put my family members at risk because it will surreptitiously render me a carrier once I get exposed."
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