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Assabiya Wins Every Time
« on: August 19, 2021, 05:42:42 pm »
Assabiya Wins Every Time

Twenty years, $2 trillion, and the most powerful army in the world were no match for the one thing the Taliban has—and that current American leadership has lost

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LEE SMITH
AUGUST 18, 2021

Democrats and Republicans are right to blame each other for the fall of Kabul. It’s a loss for America’s bipartisan foreign policy establishment as a whole. For nearly two decades Washington sent thousands of Americans to their deaths and spent trillions of taxpayer dollars to wage a strategically pointless war. And because both sides of the political divide should be held accountable, military as well as civilian officials, too, it is unlikely that anyone ever will be. Since everyone is to blame, holding anyone accountable implicates everyone.

The reality is that America lost its war in Afghanistan more than a decade ago, roughly around the time when CIA officers began bribing aging warlords with Viagra. The Americans knew all about the young boys the tribal leaders kept in their camps; because the sex drug helped Afghan elders rape more boys more often, they were beholden to America’s clandestine service. Losing Afghanistan then is the least of it. When you choose to adopt a foreign cohort’s cultural habits, customs for which the elders of your own tribe would ostracize and perhaps kill you, you have lost your civilization.

Yet military strategists, political pundits, foreign correspondents, and even historians will spend the next several decades wondering how a gang of rough Pashtun tribesmen galvanized by a fundamentalist version of Islam managed to defeat the most advanced military in the world. And that’s precisely the point: The problem with the American establishment is not simply that after 20 years in Afghanistan it did not understand the country or foresee what its opponents were likely to do after withdrawing forces. More importantly, our ruling class is so alienated from its own roots that it no longer understands the character of the country it purports to lead, and what makes it different, even exceptional. The evidence is that our elites sought to graft the effects of a civilization built by and for its own people—democracy, a military and police force, girls’ schools, etc.—onto a primitive society that had to be bribed to accept what we were offering.

There is no mystery about why the U.S. experience in Afghanistan ended in failure, embarrassment, and scandal. Nor is it a mystery why the Taliban took over Kabul so quickly. They were fighting for primacy. Their victory was foreordained.

The medieval Arab historian Ibn Khaldun explains the dynamic in his 14th-century masterwork, Al Muqaddima. History, he shows, is a repetition of the same pattern seen throughout the ages—a group of nomadic tribesmen overturn an existing sedentary culture, a civilization that has become weak and luxurious. What drives the success of the rising tribe is its group solidarity, or assabiya. Its awareness of itself as a coherent people with a drive for primacy is frequently augmented by religious ideology. The stronger the tribe’s assabiya, the stronger the group. Assimilating the conquered by imposing its will and worldview on them, the victor lays the foundations of a new civilization. But since, as Ibn Khaldun writes, “the goal of civilization is sedentary culture and luxury,” all groups carry the seeds of their own demise.

And so the struggle begins anew...

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"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Assabiya Wins Every Time
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2021, 05:43:38 pm »
An important read for those who care to know.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Assabiya Wins Every Time
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2021, 06:12:59 pm »
An important read for those who care to know.

A hope giving article.  Hubris meet Nemesis.  Thank you.

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Re: Assabiya Wins Every Time
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2021, 06:14:51 pm »
“There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americans... The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of it continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.”


 Theodore Roosevelt October 12, 1915

And that is exactly what we have done.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Assabiya Wins Every Time
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2021, 06:48:21 pm »
When you choose to adopt a foreign cohort’s cultural habits, customs for which the elders of your own tribe would ostracize and perhaps kill you, you have lost your civilization.

This is a very interesting statement because belief that they were disrupting the Afghani's habits and customs was likely what led the CIA operatives to start giving Viagra to the warlords in the first place. But clearly this is a prime example of the quote from the old Pogo cartoon: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2021, 06:51:04 pm »
When you choose to adopt a foreign cohort’s cultural habits, customs for which the elders of your own tribe would ostracize and perhaps kill you, you have lost your civilization.

This is a very interesting statement because belief that they were disrupting the Afghani's habits and customs was likely what led the CIA operatives to start giving Viagra to the warlords in the first place. But clearly this is a prime example of the quote from the old Pogo cartoon: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

 :yowsa: Absolutely!
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

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Re: Assabiya Wins Every Time
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2021, 07:03:23 pm »
This is applicable to more than the disaster we're seeing unfold in Afghanistan.  Look at our own political system...Dems have the assabiya, but the GOP does not.  "Our side" will never win a war of attrition against that.
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2021, 07:11:14 pm »
This is applicable to more than the disaster we're seeing unfold in Afghanistan.  Look at our own political system...Dems have the assabiya, but the GOP does not.  "Our side" will never win a war of attrition against that.

Newly minted Democrat members of congress are quickly told that they can do as they please in matters affecting only their districts (naming new post offices and such) but in matters of national import they will do as they are told or their tenor will be very short.
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien