Trump Lost Because He Wore People Out

[DCPatriot]

Trump is a clone of Grand Pa Freddy, whose life attitudes and behavior were detailed by the Britannica;
the portrait of someone lacking both Character and Honor who fled Bavaria to avoid a firing squad.
Yet these types are able to sway the impressionable to pledge their unquestioned loyalty.
History details many of these kind; most notably Benito Mussolini, in our era.
Sadly it always ends poorly, in tears and far worse.

Such a 'tool'......   

[Restored]

Trump lost because the Democrats cheated. If they had cheated in 2016, Hillary would have been President but they didn't think they would need it because Trump was a joke to them and Hillary was a 98% shoo-in with a landslide.

[GtHawk]

@Victoria33

Obviously only stupid, uneducated people support Trump, and all the smart people (who can see the Emperor's clothes) voted for, and are happy with Joe Biden.

Thank God for Pew Research!!

Well, in my own personal poll I have found that the majority of people I have met that have graduated universities and colleges ang hold degrees BA, BS and Masters have been fully indoctrinated to socialism so I fully believe they prefer Biden and it hasn't a damn thing to do with wanting competent, focused, and drama-free governance. If anyone with a straight face and honesty can say that with Biden and the socialists in charge we are having competent, focused, and drama-free governance then they are just as confused as Biden.

[catfish1957]

Trump lost because the Democrats cheated. If they had cheated in 2016, Hillary would have been President but they didn't think they would need it because Trump was a joke to them and Hillary was a 98% shoo-in with a landslide.

Exactly.  And they weren't going to take any chances this time.

[GtHawk]

Trump's white male vote

2016 - 28.8 million
2020 - 28.8 million

Don't use facts he's on another roll.

[GtHawk]

This probably explains why, despite the fact that the rest of his party is polling poorly on many issues,  Biden himself has a fairly high job approval rating.

The Republicans need to find a way to hang onto those voters that Trump brought in while reclaiming the suburbs. People forget that in 2020, Republicans did  well in down ticket races  while losing the White House

Some may not like to hear this, but run Donald Trump in 2024 and Biden wins reelection

Right, as if Biden will be capable of anything other than drooling before the end of this term, or were you talking about Dr Biden?

[Smokin Joe]

@Victoria33

Obviously only stupid, uneducated people support Trump, and all the smart people (who can see the Emperor's clothes) voted for, and are happy with Joe Biden.

Thank God for Pew Research!!

Right you are!

Obviously smart people enjoy paying much more for gasoline, while they are waiting on the grid that can handle charging their electric buggy.

Obviously smart people appreciate the unprecedented levels of invasion on our southern border.

After all, they got the jab and are still wearing two masks (because two are better than one).

For me, just one of those uneducated scientists who tore the flaws open in early studies of early onset COVID treatments, (even though it is out of my area of expertise), common sense appears to have evaded those smart folks who look down on the rest of us who know up is up, water is wet and runs downhill, and light is not dark.

[Restored]

Exactly.  And they weren't going to take any chances this time.

Worse than that. They had such a weak slate they had to risk getting caught. But they discovered a silver lining. Instead of paying precinct captains, they just have to pay the voting machine people. That money for votes scheme is a HUGE cash cow for The People. That's how Stacy Abrams got those houses. If the Democrats move that money, it could get ugly but my guess is there is enough to go around.

Voting in heavily poor and Democratic districts is a cash business. I voted in one. It was empty when I voted but they ended up with a 95% turnout.  The problem is so pervasive that they have started to elect really bad people that mess up the cities and cause tax payers to leave.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, in my own personal poll I have found that the majority of people I have met that have graduated universities and colleges ang hold degrees BA, BS and Masters have been fully indoctrinated to socialism so I fully believe they prefer Biden and it hasn't a damn thing to do with wanting competent, focused, and drama-free governance. If anyone with a straight face and honesty can say that with Biden and the socialists in charge we are having competent, focused, and drama-free governance then they are just as confused as Biden.

It depends on when their degree was awarded, and in what field. Most STEM grads, even today, aren't so well indoctrinated as the "social science" fields, and fewer before 1980 suffer that malaise.

[Restored]

Biden is doing well in polls because the pollsters know how to cook the polls. Any marketing major can tell you that. That's one of the things they taught us.

[Wingnut]

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on Today at 10:44:26 AM


Obviously only stupid, uneducated people support Trump,

I have to reiterate my goto in situations like this.

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

[Smokin Joe]

Biden is doing well in polls because the pollsters know how to cook the polls. Any marketing major can tell you that. That's one of the things they taught us.

Sure they cook them. Choose the poll base carefully, load the questions to give the desired response. Piece of Cake--and as important as lighting, camera angle, and shot width in the image press which can make a group look like a packed crowd or just a few huddled to keep out of the rain.

[BassWrangler]

[Smokin Joe]

I have to reiterate my goto in situations like this.

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

Yeah, Bloomberg shot himself in the foot with his farming speech. "Dig a hole, put the corn in it, and put the dirt on top. I can teach anyone to farm in five minutes" (That educated fool couldn't have the GPS and computer systems on a modern large scale planting setup going or do the safety checks and start the engine in 5 minutes).

[BassWrangler]

Correction, sixth highest. 
In 2020, Trump vote total increased 17% over 2016.  So let's stop telling lies about how Trump lost support.

Year	President	Vote Gain (mil)	Percent Gain/Loss	Result
1972	NIXON	15.03	47.40	Won
1916	WILSON	2.84	45.07	Won
1984	REAGAN	10.55	24.04	Won
2004	GW BUSH	11.58	22.96	Won
1936	FDR	4.93	21.60	Won
2020	TRUMP	11.24	17.84	???
1996	CLINTON	2.49	5.55	Won
1956	IKE	1.80	5.33	Won
1900	McKINLEY	0.10	1.45	Won
1940	FDR	-0.51	-1.83	Won
2012	OBAMA	-3.58	-5.16	Won
1944	FDR	-1.64	-6.03	Won
1980	CARTER	-5.34	-13.08	Lost
1992	GHW BUSH	-9.78	-20.01	Lost
1932	HOOVER	-5.63	-26.32	Lost
1912	TAFT	-4.19	-54.63	Lost

Couldn't that be because there were more people voting overall, due to mail-in voting being so much more widespread, and that Trump's percentages actually did decrease?

[Smokin Joe]

Couldn't that be because there were more people voting overall, due to mail-in voting being so much more widespread, and that Trump's percentages actually did decrease?

Mail in voting was so widespread that it helped some jurisdictions have more votes than voters on the rolls, and now we find out thousands of those were too dead to fill out the forms.

[cato potatoe]

Couldn't that be because there were more people voting overall, due to mail-in voting being so much more widespread, and that Trump's percentages actually did decrease?

Yeah - Biden got 23% more votes than Hillary, and improved on her win % in 44 states.  Trump's percentages improved in Florida, Arkansas, Nevada, Utah, California, Hawaii, and DC.

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah - Biden got 23% more votes than Hillary, and improved on her win % in 44 states.  Trump's percentages improved in Florida, Arkansas, Nevada, Utah, California, Hawaii, and DC.

If you believe that is possible, considering Hillary could pack a venue and Biden waved at empty fields for photo ops.

[BassWrangler]

If you believe that is possible, considering Hillary could pack a venue and Biden waved at empty fields for photo ops.

Playing devil's advocate here: Couldn't that be because many people were not voting FOR Joe, but were rather voting AGAINST Trump? I mean isn't that essentially the premise of the article in the OP? The Democrats could have run a potato and won if the thinking on this is correct.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm just telling the truth on how I see it.. Don't like it tough s**T

You could make a better case for that if you hadn't been lying through your teeth for years.  J/S

"Don't like it tough s**T"

[Cyber Liberty]

Something like that - Though Arizona is still on the bubble. If that proves, I think it opens a can of worms in the other questionable swing states. So I am not yet willing to set that in stone.

That's right.  I'm hoping for a good, clean report, either way.  However, nothing would wet my jeans more than seeing a dam burst.

[BassWrangler]

Playing devil's advocate here: Couldn't that be because many people were not voting FOR Joe, but were rather voting AGAINST Trump? I mean isn't that essentially the premise of the article in the OP? The Democrats could have run a potato and won if the thinking on this is correct.

[Cyber Liberty]

Well, in my own personal poll I have found that the majority of people I have met that have graduated universities and colleges ang hold degrees BA, BS and Masters have been fully indoctrinated to socialism so I fully believe they prefer Biden and it hasn't a damn thing to do with wanting competent, focused, and drama-free governance. If anyone with a straight face and honesty can say that with Biden and the socialists in charge we are having competent, focused, and drama-free governance then they are just as confused as Biden.

Book Learning = Abject Stupidity

[GtHawk]

It depends on when their degree was awarded, and in what field. Most STEM grads, even today, aren't so well indoctrinated as the "social science" fields, and fewer before 1980 suffer that malaise.

While working on labs in colleges, universities and private research I had plenty of opportunity to either listen to or talk with with people that were Mechanical Engineers and Micro biologists and Doctors researching AIDS, Alzheimer's, Cancer and other diseases. My estimate may of course not be a true ratio but it was what I experienced in about 15 years. Aside from anecdotal I have personal experience of my son who after completing a BA and Masters in English evolved into a flaming liberal while my daughter who didn't take much college remained as she was brought up, Conservative. The same held true for my nephew who was as his parents, conservative until he was indoctrinated while earning his MS In Mechanical Engineering at Berkley, and the same for my Niece who came from a conservative Catholic family after studying for her MBA at Berkley.

[Texas Yellow Rose]

The above is true and it was true for me.  Every day Trump made a new problem so he would be in the news everyday.  Since I keep up with news mostly everyday, it was a new Trump problem continually.  I thought people had to be sick of this, wanted peace, not government conflict continually. 

"... insane tweets ...."

True ... I hated the tweets, the constant putting his foot in his mouth when he didn't have to ... when it did him no good.  They had a tendency to wear me out! Did he accomplish things he set out to do .. YES.  Would I ever vote for a liberal/communist? .. oh hell no.  Many times Trump was his own worst enemy.