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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2021, 07:55:57 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 04, 2021, 03:01:37 pm
VAERS reports are raw data, reports of "adverse events" of wide ranging types and severity that happened after vaccination. After investigation, some will be judged unrelated to the vaccines. Anyone citing VAERS reports raw numbers as proving anything, at best, doesn't understand the database (s)he is citing. I think there are some anti-vaxxers who do understand what the DB is and are knowingly and intentionally deceptive.

As the saying goes, "A text out of context is a pretext." As of yesterday morning's numbers, more than 147.5 million Americans (>56.3% of the US population who are allowed to receive one of the vaccines!) have received at least one vaccine dose, of whom more than 105.5 million are fully vaccinated. VAERS reports numbers have to be understood in that context.

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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2021, 09:07:33 pm »
Whatever the source of the fear, it is having a definite effect on getting the shot:

« Last Edit: May 04, 2021, 09:16:08 pm by Cyber Liberty »
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2021, 09:19:17 pm »
@Skull

I had to resize your posted image.  Here's how you do that:

This the line of your post for the image...

[ img width=600]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/073/287/630/original/de23dfd84d58ab51.jpeg[/img]

Note I added the "width=600" to the IMG command.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2021, 09:27:12 pm »
Biden said today that those who won't vaccine are murderers.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2021, 09:27:26 pm »
Quote from: BassWrangler on May 04, 2021, 07:55:57 pm
Berenson is a boob.

You could have added, "And a NYT reporter," though that might be somewhat repetitive and redundant. ****drummer
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2021, 09:39:53 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 04, 2021, 09:19:17 pm
@Skull

I had to resize your posted image.  Here's how you do that:

This the line of your post for the image...

[ img width=600]https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/073/287/630/original/de23dfd84d58ab51.jpeg[/img]

Note I added the "width=600" to the IMG command.

Many thanks, glad to know that - will use width=600 or 400 for any big images.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2021, 11:11:46 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 04, 2021, 09:27:26 pm
You could have added, "And a NYT reporter," though that might be somewhat repetitive and redundant. ****drummer

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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2021, 11:23:00 pm »
Quote from: Skull on May 04, 2021, 09:39:53 pm
Many thanks, glad to know that - will use width=600 or 400 for any big images.

FYI, you could use height= too... So long as you use one or the other, aspect is preserved. If you use both, you are on your own.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #33 on: May 05, 2021, 12:18:14 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 04, 2021, 11:23:00 pm
FYI, you could use height= too... So long as you use one or the other, aspect is preserved. If you use both, you are on your own.

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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2021, 04:57:55 am »
Quote from: Skull on May 04, 2021, 09:07:33 pm
Whatever the source of the fear, it is having a definite effect on getting the shot:


Consider a significant number of the "I'll get it right away crowd" already have, so there will be a shift in the populations. There will be the same number of "I'll never get it" folks, and the doubting Thomases will not change a lot, except to either get the vaccine or declare they will not. So the population of people who have not yet recieved the vaccine will be expected to see those proportion changes within samples.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2021, 04:59:13 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 05, 2021, 12:18:14 am

Who needs lockdowns? You could have flattened the curves right there (or maybe just squashed the percussion section).
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #36 on: May 05, 2021, 05:47:37 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on May 05, 2021, 12:18:14 am


That's almost as fun as the bug zapper.  888high58888
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2021, 06:19:42 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 05, 2021, 05:47:37 am
That's almost as fun as the bug zapper.  888high58888
:beer: ALmost...bug zappers are hard to beat.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #38 on: May 05, 2021, 06:21:02 am »
So that's what a gif on the windshield looks like...
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #39 on: May 05, 2021, 07:38:15 am »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 05, 2021, 06:19:42 am
:beer: ALmost...bug zappers are hard to beat.

I get  a new one this year... my last one caught a little woodpecker... that  was quite the show, I bet...
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2021, 07:40:41 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on May 05, 2021, 07:38:15 am
I get  a new one this year... my last one caught a little woodpecker... that  was quite the show, I bet...
I imagine, but burnt feathers are not my favorite aroma... :shrug:
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2021, 02:48:06 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 05, 2021, 04:57:55 am
Consider a significant number of the "I'll get it right away crowd" already have, so there will be a shift in the populations. There will be the same number of "I'll never get it" folks, and the doubting Thomases will not change a lot, except to either get the vaccine or declare they will not. So the population of people who have not yet recieved the vaccine will be expected to see those proportion changes within samples.

By not including an, "Already Got It," line the graph deceptively magnifies the significance of the "Won'ts". Whether intentionally or carelessly, :shrug: .
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2021, 05:33:00 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 05, 2021, 02:48:06 pm
By not including an, "Already Got It," line the graph deceptively magnifies the significance of the "Won'ts". Whether intentionally or carelessly, :shrug: .

Lies, damn lies, and statistics...
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2021, 05:58:21 pm »
Another way to look at the popularity, nation by nation:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/covid-19-vaccine-doses-whos-got-at-least-one/
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2021, 06:24:51 pm »
Quote from: Skull on May 05, 2021, 05:58:21 pm
Another way to look at the popularity, nation by nation:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/covid-19-vaccine-doses-whos-got-at-least-one/

This is updated more or less daily, https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations , as is this, https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations . The latter lets the user select or deselect countries to allow comparisons and lets one see historical info.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2021, 06:47:20 pm »
Quote from: Skull on May 05, 2021, 05:58:21 pm
Another way to look at the popularity, nation by nation:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/covid-19-vaccine-doses-whos-got-at-least-one/
So, where is China on that?

 :pondering:
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2021, 07:57:17 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 05, 2021, 06:47:20 pm
So, where is China on that?

 :pondering:

In the version of that chart I linked, China can be selected, but no data is charted. That suggests to me that either China isn't providing the information, or the OurWorldInData people think the data China has released is not credible.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2021, 08:36:29 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 05, 2021, 07:57:17 pm
In the version of that chart I linked, China can be selected, but no data is charted. That suggests to me that either China isn't providing the information, or the OurWorldInData people think the data China has released is not credible.
Look again. China can't be selected.  :pondering:  It isn't listed in the table, either.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2021, 08:46:29 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on May 05, 2021, 08:36:29 pm
Look again. China can't be selected.  :pondering:  It isn't listed in the table, either.

In the version of the chart that I linked, https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations , China is in the list of possible selections and can be selected. But it is in lighter type and when selected no data is plotted on the chart. I went through that process ~50 minutes ago, and I just went through it again.
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Re: Are negative vaccine reactions all in your head?
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2021, 08:53:07 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on May 05, 2021, 08:46:29 pm
In the version of the chart that I linked, https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations , China is in the list of possible selections and can be selected. But it is in lighter type and when selected no data is plotted on the chart. I went through that process ~50 minutes ago, and I just went through it again.
Oh, OK, I used this link https://www.visualcapitalist.com/covid-19-vaccine-doses-whos-got-at-least-one/ and it isn't there.
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