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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #900 on: March 21, 2021, 11:29:41 pm »

The questions we will have to confront is what will happen if the dollar stops being the benchmark currency and is replaced by the yuan?

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #901 on: March 21, 2021, 11:30:45 pm »
What a lot of these newcomers and n00bs to the Republican party don't seem to understand is that Conservatism isn't just a political philosophy...it's a way of life.  It's a set of standards and values we apply to our every day life and how we interact with the world.

A philosophy will change and evolve over time...your standards and values generally do not.

Those of us that have taken on Conservatism as our way of live have changed very little in our political belief system since we embraced it.

You get that...I get that and a few others get that.  But a lot of folks think Conservatism is whatever is popular at the time.

It just doesn't work that way.

That's right. I had the good fortune to be a voracious reader in my yoot - Yoot meaning all the way till I needed glasses, after which reading became a trouble. But early on, in my comparison of philosophies, I rather stumbled into Burke. What a gas. A philosophy for which there was not a single argument.

I have not changed with the wind, nor will I ever. My political outlook has not modified one iota since my early 20s - Because standards. Standards that apply across my entire life. The standard does not change, and will not change. And what a help it has been in my life to know and stand upon truth.

Republicans OTOH, have drifted far from what they claim. As Reagan once opined too, I didn't leave the Republicans. The Republicans left me. Here I am, right where I have always been.

And I can sure see you from here. Others, not so much  :shrug: :whistle:

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #902 on: March 21, 2021, 11:32:47 pm »
Except when an affable president blows the lid off the national debt and fails to implement one policy or executive order to advance social "morality"   ---   Because the strongest, eternal principle of your branch of conservatism is style over substance.

You can spew your bullshit all you want - You are wrong.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #903 on: March 21, 2021, 11:35:15 pm »
That's right. I had the good fortune to be a voracious reader in my yoot - Yoot meaning all the way till I needed glasses, after which reading became a trouble. But early on, in my comparison of philosophies, I rather stumbled into Burke. What a gas. A philosophy for which there was not a single argument.

I have not changed with the wind, nor will I ever. My political outlook has not modified one iota since my early 20s - Because standards. Standards that apply across my entire life. The standard does not change, and will not change. And what a help it has been in my life to know and stand upon truth.

Republicans OTOH, have drifted far from what they claim. As Reagan once opined too, I didn't leave the Republicans. The Republicans left me. Here I am, right where I have always been.

And I can sure see you from here. Others, not so much  :shrug: :whistle:

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #904 on: March 21, 2021, 11:35:52 pm »
You can spew your bullshit all you want - You are wrong.

It almost sounds like she's talking bout Trump.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #905 on: March 21, 2021, 11:37:22 pm »
You can spew your bullshit all you want -

Actually, I'm following you with a mop, pail and disinfectant.

You're welcome.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #906 on: March 21, 2021, 11:38:56 pm »
It almost sounds like she's talking bout Trump.

But I was talking about Reagan @txradioguy   Your cult leader understands this.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #907 on: March 21, 2021, 11:39:31 pm »
Actually, I'm following you with a mop, pail and disinfectant.

You're welcome.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #908 on: March 21, 2021, 11:40:31 pm »
It almost sounds like she's talking bout Trump.

Actually she is. She thinks knocking down RWR justifies Tumpy.

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« Reply #909 on: March 21, 2021, 11:43:33 pm »
Actually she is. She thinks knocking down RWR justifies Tumpy.

I'm old enough to remember when Trump...at the invitation of the Democrats in the (I think) House of Representatives invited Donald to testify against Reagan closing tax loopholes.

He compared Reagan to leaders in the USSR.

Not the mark of a true Conservative.
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« Reply #910 on: March 21, 2021, 11:45:52 pm »
I'm old enough to remember when Trump...at the invitation of the Democrats in the (I think) House of Representatives invited Donald to testify against Reagan closing tax loopholes.

He compared Reagan to leaders in the USSR.

Not the mark of a true Conservative.

Me too... It is surprising how stealing a motto or two and making up a bunch of bumperstickers will impress some folks. Tumpy was AGAINST Reagan. And nothing much changed.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #911 on: March 22, 2021, 12:05:46 am »
I'm old enough to remember when Trump...at the invitation of the Democrats in the (I think) House of Representatives invited Donald to testify against Reagan closing tax loopholes.

He compared Reagan to leaders in the USSR.

Not the mark of a true Conservative.

He wanted the federal tax rate to be pushing 50% with deductions primarily for real estate development...  And that anything less was going to destroy the "economy"...

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« Reply #912 on: March 22, 2021, 12:08:05 am »
Me too... It is surprising how stealing a motto or two and making up a bunch of bumperstickers will impress some folks. Tumpy was AGAINST Reagan. And nothing much changed.

No it hasn't.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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« Reply #913 on: March 22, 2021, 12:08:35 am »
He wanted the federal tax rate to be pushing 50% with deductions primarily for real estate development...  And that anything less was going to destroy the "economy"...

Definitely not a Conservative viewpoint.
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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THE ESTABLISHMENT IS THE PROBLEM...NOT THE SOLUTION

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #914 on: March 22, 2021, 01:41:04 am »
Definitely not a Conservative viewpoint.

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #915 on: March 22, 2021, 01:58:56 am »
@txradioguy @roamer_1

Orange is the new Conservative.

Just ask around...................

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Yeah. no...
Every hyphenation merely distracts and destroys. Yet again we will find that to be true.
S'alright. I may be in the wilderness, but what some folks won't get is that I don't mind being in the wilderness. I will keep going, just as I always do, and just redirect my efforts into other Conservative venues.

I caught what you said on the BSA page, and I have found similar - There is an ad-hoc meeting here, now and then... Youngbloods out from the cities trying to make their way homesteading. As service tech to the hillbillies, a fair lot of em come here to get their machinery fixed... And that has lead to them picking my brain in a semi-formal way about the ways I know because I have lived them.

I always start those meetings, whether with a couple or a small group with a prayer. I found it odd that many who arrive new are made very uncomfortable by prayer, stating some sort of tripe about a paganist 'many gods' view as being polite. They soon find that i am not the polite sort, and over time those homesteading meetings wind up being extremely enjoyable hard-hitting Biblical teachings.

It is SO easy to relate those precepts to these young minds, as Yah's lessons fit easily into agricultural terms - something these young folks are beginning to realize first hand. And it is an amazement how open they become, rather quickly, as their present conditions have brought them close.

And in that of course, Burke makes his way. The practicality and commonality with religious precepts are undeniable and a quick companion to what those coming back to the bosom of the earth need to learn.

Politics is but a facet. And a poorly lit one at that. I have made more difference with these young folks than all that I ever did in the Republican fold.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #916 on: March 22, 2021, 02:20:21 am »
@HoustonSam
Politics is but a facet. And a poorly lit one at that. I have made more difference with these young folks than all that I ever did in the Republican fold.

@roamer_1

I hope I have done as well with the people I've had an opportunity to influence; only time will tell, and I'll never know one way or another this side of Glory.

The larger point is that Conservatism is not a political movement; it's much larger, and much more enduring, than that.  And whatever happens politically, like Hank Jr's Country Boy, we ain't going away.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #917 on: March 22, 2021, 02:38:37 am »
@roamer_1

I hope I have done as well with the people I've had an opportunity to influence; only time will tell, and I'll never know one way or another this side of Glory.

The larger point is that Conservatism is not a political movement; it's much larger, and much more enduring, than that.  And whatever happens politically, like Hank Jr's Country Boy, we ain't going away.

@HoustonSam

That's right  :beer:

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #918 on: March 22, 2021, 02:50:30 am »
And that is high praise coming from you @HoustonSam , and an honor.  :beer:

The honor in our friendship here, @roamer_1, is mine.  I look forward to the day that we greet each other in person and I can learn your teaching in self-reliance.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #919 on: March 22, 2021, 02:53:44 am »
Tell that to John Kerry.
You tell that to my Dad, who did not get one of his purple hearts because someone decided the tank round that wounded him and killed most of his squad in Korea came from an American Tank.

John Kerry isn't fit to shine Dad's shoes.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #920 on: March 22, 2021, 03:05:14 am »
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #921 on: March 22, 2021, 03:35:13 am »
The honor in our friendship here, @roamer_1, is mine.  I look forward to the day that we greet each other in person and I can learn your teaching in self-reliance.

You're welcome on my porch anytime @HoustonSam ... Though give me a few months and it'll be a helluva lot harder to find.  happy77

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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #922 on: March 22, 2021, 05:23:56 am »
In decades of arguing with people in chatrooms, the worst to engage in conversations with has always been socialist-Communist wolves in sheep's clothing.  There is no evidence that will convince them of their wrongness, even though its clearly apparent to all. They love engaging in disruption and trolling, walking the live of getting banned on many occasions.  It's nothing new to me, i've been engaged in discussions with them for decades.  They have no intentions of accepting or allowing any evidence of changing their minds about anything.  They laugh at those that think they can. NEVERTRUMPERS FALL IN THIS CATEGORY, they fit the mold like a hand in a well worn glove.  They have their job, and no one is going to convince them to not carry through.
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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #923 on: March 22, 2021, 05:58:27 am »
Actually she is. She thinks knocking down RWR justifies Tumpy.

I'm grateful for Ronald Reagan ... as the first modern day populist President, he set the stage for the next one.  Of course, we had to wait 30 + years, but man, he worth the wait!

And before you get your chaps in a twist, "populist" is not the naughty word you want it to be.  It simply means what's best for America is not something complicated or mystical or best left to the experts to explain the size, shape and importance of cornerstones.

The American people have proven with Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump that "Make America Great Again" is filled with love of country, love of work, love of our armed forces, the power of the American dream and good ole' common sense.







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Re: GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers
« Reply #924 on: March 22, 2021, 06:42:42 am »
In decades of arguing with people in chatrooms, the worst to engage in conversations with has always been socialist-Communist wolves in sheep's clothing.  There is no evidence that will convince them of their wrongness, even though its clearly apparent to all. They love engaging in disruption and trolling, walking the live of getting banned on many occasions.  It's nothing new to me, i've been engaged in discussions with them for decades.  They have no intentions of accepting or allowing any evidence of changing their minds about anything.  They laugh at those that think they can. NEVERTRUMPERS FALL IN THIS CATEGORY, they fit the mold like a hand in a well worn glove.  They have their job, and no one is going to convince them to not carry through.

Or perhaps YOU are the one that is obstinant, ignorant and uniformed. After all, the outcome of your little adventure has yielded little to nothing and cost the fortune of generations.

What exactly is there in that which I should bow to?