GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers

[DB]

Conservatism in politics is like porn @roamer_1 and Americans know it when they see it --- it is intrinsic to a successful life.

Sorry, it's just not as special and complicated as you want it to be.  But, you and your pals can keep the book club going, we'll win the elections and the right to govern.  This is, after all, the goal of politics.   

LOL...

And what you are doing is causing the country to circle the drain... All you want to argue about is how fast... As well evidenced over the last several decades...

[sneakypete]

Conservatism in politics is like porn @roamer_1 and Americans know it when they see it --- it is intrinsic to a successful life.

Sorry, it's just not as special and complicated as you want it to be.  But, you and your pals can keep the book club going, we'll win the elections and the right to govern.  This is, after all, the goal of politics.   

@Right_in_Virginia  @roamer_1

Locke and the other theorists are dreamers,dreaming of an ideal world. They live in Ivory Towers,or in more modern times,in log cabins hidden in the woods,and dream their little dreams while patting themselves on the back to congratulate themselves for their purity.

The rest of us are mere humans,who have to live in the best POSSIBLE world.  Dreamers dream,and people rooted in reality make the changes. We actually live in the REAL world,not the dream world.

We understand that perfection is the ultimate goal,but we live in the "right now" and want to make today a better and safer place for us all to live while we ponder and work towards a perfect world.

Nobody has ever accomplished a single damn thing by sitting on their asses and dreaming,other than getting hemorrhoids and screaming at the people who ARE working towards making changes that they are sell-outs and "not REAL conservatives,because REAL conservatives would rather live in a cave in the mountains and eat mice droppings than to actually do the work necessary to accomplish something.

[Sled Dog]

Yes! it was!

I will point out errors where they occur. Always have and always will.  TRUMP was a threat to business as usual in Washington and was going to be gotten rid of no matter what it took to do it.  There is only one party inside the beltway and that is the ""how do we fleece the sheep today" party!

I know.

I said all that in "Orangeman Not Drunken Harridan".

[Sled Dog]

I studied the man and followed the news in real time during his Presidency. And before that his challenge to Ford in 1976. I don’t need a skewed account from an MSM owned website to tell me what I saw and read about with my own two eyes.

Oh.

Then you already knew, as I did, that Reagan caused eight shutdowns during his presidency and your implication that there was none is wrong.

Very good.  I always enjoy talking to students.  They have so much to learn.

[Hoodat]

I studied the man and followed the news in real time during his Presidency. And before that his challenge to Ford in 1976.

Ditto.  I distinctly remember watching the '76 GOP Convention at the ripe age of 12 (yes, I was a weird kid), hoping against all hope that Reagan would somehow be nominated.  But the Establishment carried the day.  The Paul Manaforts of the day got their way, and Gerald Ford was nominated.  Now don't get me wrong.  Ford was actually a damn fine President.  But after Reagan gave his Convention speech after the vote, every person in that hall realized only then that they had nominated the wrong person.

[Cyber Liberty]

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[Right_in_Virginia]

LOL...And what you are doing is causing the country to circle the drain... All you want to argue about is how fast... As well evidenced over the last several decades...

You may find my full post on the subject helpful @DB

You just don't get it.  For some unknown reason you refuse to understand that conservatism is not a group of lofty, intractable principles that only a chosen few comprehend and fight for @roamer_1   You insist it is something so special, so separate, so unique that only a handful grasp its magnificence.

For a large swath of American citizens, cutting across every region, every economic bracket, every color, every creed  "conservatism" is intrinsic because it is the essence of the American spirit.  We don't need some smartass political preacher man telling us what it is, how we're bleeping it up or how we should respond to it.

When it comes to politics, conservatism is like porn; Americans know it when they see it.

"Make America Great Again" is conservatism.  Donald Trump further distilled it to its essence:  "America First".   "Make America Great Again" IS a slogan.  "America First" is courageous --- and from the gut.

For all you principled conservative preacher men out there who keep insisting Donald Trump had no principles --- stop talking long enough to understand that Donald Trump was the single most principled conservative ever to grace the Oval Office. Everything, bleeping everything this man did promoted and strengthened America First, from: freedom of speech to freedom of religion to freedom of economic security; fair trade deals, secure sovereign borders, the right to life, peace through strength, to we worship God not government and America will never be a socialist nation.  THESE are conservative principles.

Had Ronald Reagan followed Donald Trump into the Oval Office you know damn well he would have left untouched:  Trump's EOs and international agreements on immigration, NATO's fair share, the end of the Paris Accords, the end of the Iran Deal, the Abraham Accords, the Kosovo-Serbia economic agreement, a defunded Planned Parenthood, a rebuilt military, our energy independence, financial support for colleges with freedom of speech policies, medical right to try, the tax plan, the removal of regulations, the China strategy, and his belief that Americans built this country, in spite of their government; and they own it, not the swamp.

Had Ronald Reagan followed Donald Trump into the Oval Office he would have known he had awfully large shoes to fill.

[Sled Dog]

So... record breaking overturning of county and state houses and governorships was no accomplishment?

^^^ THIS ^^^  From the Principled Conservative who claims Trump was a big nothing.

[Sled Dog]

Ditto.  I distinctly remember watching the '76 GOP Convention at the ripe age of 12 (yes, I was a weird kid), hoping against all hope that Reagan would somehow be nominated.  But the Establishment carried the day.  The Paul Manaforts of the day got their way, and Gerald Ford was nominated.  Now don't get me wrong.  Ford was actually a damn fine President.  But after Reagan gave his Convention speech after the vote, every person in that hall realized only then that they had nominated the wrong person.

What, all those delegates forgot all about the WIN buttons?

[Hoodat]

What, all those delegate forgot all about the WIN buttons?

Ford did whip inflation.  It was down to 4.8% when he left office.  Look where it was four years later.

[Hoodat]

[DB]

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Let me help the cause...

[BassWrangler]

Let me help the cause...

Yes, please lock it. I am so tired of this showing up in my "new replies to your posts" list. It's a pointless thread.

[Bigun]

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No problem for me as I have had my say. Done with it.

[skeeter]

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heres another step towards perdition

[Sled Dog]

Ford did whip inflation.  It was down to 4.8% when he left office.  Look where it was four years later.

Did the buttons help much?

What plateaued the inflation at the time was the end of the oil embargo, something Ford had little to do with. 

And because of the new rule that "nothing lasts", Ford didn't accomplish anything at all.   Neither did Washington or Lincoln...

[txradioguy]

Oh.

Then you already knew, as I did, that Reagan caused eight shutdowns during his presidency and your implication that there was none is wrong.

Very good.  I always enjoy talking to students.  They have so much to learn.

I never implied that.  Your reading comprehension needs...work.

And from some of your arrogant uninformed babble just in this thread...you sound like you need to talk to "students" a little more...you could learn things from them.

Now for extra credit...tell the class WHY Reagan was willing to shut the government down 8 times.

[roamer_1]

@Right_in_Virginia  @roamer_1

Locke and the other theorists are dreamers,dreaming of an ideal world. They live in Ivory Towers,or in more modern times,in log cabins hidden in the woods,and dream their little dreams while patting themselves on the back to congratulate themselves for their purity.

The rest of us are mere humans,who have to live in the best POSSIBLE world.  Dreamers dream,and people rooted in reality make the changes. We actually live in the REAL world,not the dream world.

We understand that perfection is the ultimate goal,but we live in the "right now" and want to make today a better and safer place for us all to live while we ponder and work towards a perfect world.

Nobody has ever accomplished a single damn thing by sitting on their asses and dreaming,other than getting hemorrhoids and screaming at the people who ARE working towards making changes that they are sell-outs and "not REAL conservatives,because REAL conservatives would rather live in a cave in the mountains and eat mice droppings than to actually do the work necessary to accomplish something.

Bah @sneakypete ... Y'all live in the 'Not Right Now'... Forever chasing after shiny sh*t and forgoing the truth. But that's alright... Y'all have your way. It's coming whether you see it or not.

As for change - You've made *none* ... Your entire diatribe is for naught, because you come from *no* success, all of it gone, and at a tremendous expense. All your high words are dashed to pieces. As predicted, by the way.

[Sled Dog]

I never implied that.  Your reading comprehension needs...work.

And from some of your arrogant uninformed babble just in this thread...you sound like you need to talk to "students" a little more...you could learn things from them.

Now for extra credit...tell the class WHY Reagan was willing to shut the government down 8 times.

Whatever.    Your implication may not have been intentional, but you wanted to know how many shutdowns reagan had.  If you knew the answer, you shouldn't have phrased it incorrectly.

Because he didn't have a House and Senate GOP devoted to his personal destruction.   

Oh.

You must have forgotten about that?   Trump's situation is different.  Trump had no allies but the voters themselves. 

EVERY layer between the voter and the President has been corrupted by Rodents of one sort or another.  That wasn't the case in the 1980's.

[Sled Dog]

Bah @sneakypete ... Y'all live in the 'Not Right Now'... Forever chasing after shiny sh*t and forgoing the truth. But that's alright... Y'all have your way. It's coming whether you see it or not.

As for change - You've made *none* ... Your entire diatribe is for naught, because you come from *no* success, all of it gone, and at a tremendous expense. All your high words are dashed to pieces. As predicted, by the way.

So.   Since nobody ever accomplishes anything in life, since everything is always erased by those who come after, shouldn't everyone just drink the Kool-Aid and surrender, like the Principled Conservatives have done?

[Hoodat]

[HoustonSam]

So.   Since nobody ever accomplishes anything in life, since everything is always erased by those who come after, shouldn't everyone just drink the Kool-Aid and surrender, like the Principled Conservatives have done?

Washington, Lincoln, Eisenhower - all had their accomplishments erased by those who came after?  This country was re-absorbed by the British Crown, slavery was re-established, and the Nazis resumed control of western Europe?

No one said that everything is always erased by those who come after.  But the things that *are* erased, are erased.  I don't credit a man for signing his name with a pencil when he should have used ink.

[roamer_1]

So.   Since nobody ever accomplishes anything in life, since everything is always erased by those who come after, shouldn't everyone just drink the Kool-Aid and surrender, like the Principled Conservatives have done?

Principled Conservatism has surrendered nothing - In fact, your movement would have had us surrender principle and join your asinine parade instead... And then when we won't...

I have not surrendered. I have simply moved on to things that hold merit and that don't require the sacrifice of principles in some false sense of expediency... That is an old song you know... Sung by BOOSH and McCain't, and Romulus... And now Tumpy too. Same exact sh*t, different day.

Every one said they were the true Conservatives... And every one sought a path that required casting off principle.
There is a trend in that.

[Hoodat]

[Cyber Liberty]

The suspense is killing me.