GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers

[Cyber Liberty]

Naw, it ain't that. YOU GOT NOTHING. AGAIN.

It's that.

I believe I was making exactly that point, in a backhanded way.

Flub one issue, as measured by subjective means, and none of the rest matter one wit.  Even the theft of a National election does not move that observer.

If I ever run for a higher office, I will not be sharing my adventures here.

[roamer_1]

I believe I was making exactly that point, in a backhanded way.

Flub one issue, as measured by subjective means, and none of the rest matter one wit.  Even the theft of a National election does not move that observer.

If I ever run for a higher office, I will not be sharing my adventures here.

No man. It ain't one issue flubbed. There is room for error...

I mean: You got NOTHING. Nadda. ZIP.

Again.

THAT is the problem. WINS ON ALL/ANY ISSUES= 0

Again.

[DB]

That all of this    is perfectly okay with you if Ronald Reagan's signing the rubber checks, growing the government and blowing the lid off our national debt..

Your principled conservative schtick is over.  Hypocrite.

We won the cold war with that debt. Reagan's total was about $1.85 trillion over eight years. And for the record I was unhappy about that too but crushing the Soviet Union was a major positive thing to come out of it. People were substantially better off in much of the world when Reagan left office compared to when he took it.

What have we won with the last 10 trillion under Trump in just four years??? How many people are substantially better off anywhere in the world when he left office compared to when he entered it?

[skeeter]

We won the cold war with that debt. Reagan's total was about $1.85 trillion over eight years. And for the record I was unhappy about that too but crushing the Soviet Union was a major positive thing to come out of it. People were substantially better off in much of the world when Reagan left office compared to when he took it.

What have we won with the last 10 trillion under Trump in just four years??? How many people are substantially better off anywhere in the world when he left office compared to when he entered it?

I dunno - a burgeoning economy, energy independence, a rebuilt military, rising wages, enhanced prestige overseas. I'd say if it weren't for the Covid Trump's administration would've compared very favorably to Reagan's.

[roamer_1]

I dunno - a burgeoning economy, energy independence, a rebuilt military, rising wages, enhanced prestige overseas. I'd say if it weren't for the Covid Trump's administration would've compared very favorably to Reagan's.

But it don't. And it was not lasting. Could not be lasting. It was all built on EOs.

No martyrs. RESULTS please.

[skeeter]

But it don't. And it was not lasting. Could not be lasting. It was all built on EOs.

No martyrs. RESULTS please.

An impossible standard.

[roamer_1]

An impossible standard.

You're kidding, right?

Winning NOTHING is alright? That's the only standard we can hope for?

[Cyber Liberty]

You're kidding, right?

Winning NOTHING is alright? That's the only standard we can hope for?

There were wins that I refuse to itemize for the umpteenth time, but DEFICIT!  100% fail.

The sooner everybody realizes it, the sooner this conversation to nowhere ends.

[Killer Clouds]

You're kidding, right?

Winning NOTHING is alright? That's the only standard we can hope for?

And what is your DCP brethren doing that is so great?

[roamer_1]

There were wins that I refuse to itemize for the umpteenth time, but DEFICIT!  100% fail.

The sooner everybody realizes it, the sooner this conversation to nowhere ends.

Nah... No wins. SOSDD. Only 20T dollars poorer.
What lasting change can you point to (and judges don't count)

[roamer_1]

And what is your DCP brethren doing that is so great?

WTF are you going on about?

[Killer Clouds]

WTF are you going on about?

Your Democrat Communist Party you so love.

[roamer_1]

Your Democrat Communist Party you so love.

Your lie is so apparent it isn't worth the comment.

I am fighting liberal Right in Tumpy, why the hell would I be affiliated with Democrats?
Don't be an idiot.

I offer NO impetus to ANY side. I am against ALL sides, I have NO dog in the hunt.

[skeeter]

Your lie is so apparent it isn't worth the comment.

I am fighting liberal Right in Tumpy, why the hell would I be affiliated with Democrats?
Don't be an idiot.

I offer NO impetus to ANY side. I am against ALL sides, I have NO dog in the hunt.

Well, yeah you do have a dog in this hunt.

Otherwise you wouldn't be so reluctant to give credit where it is so obviously due.

[roamer_1]

Well, yeah you do have a dog in this hunt.

Otherwise you wouldn't be so reluctant to give credit where it is so obviously due.

Where is it due?
My position is unchanged from the very beginning...
EOs and Judges don't count. Judge him on what you got to KEEP.

What is that?

[Mod1]

Your Democrat Communist Party you so love.

Bullshit, he is not.  Knock it off.  Calling people "Democrats" on TBR is considered a personal attack.

[skeeter]

Where is it due?
My position is unchanged from the very beginning...
EOs and Judges don't count. Judge him on what you got to KEEP.

What is that?

I'll judge him on his accomplishments. As I will judge those who undid them.

Its not hard to understand.

[roamer_1]

Bullshit, he is not.  Knock it off.  Calling people "Democrats" on TBR is considered a personal attack.

Thanks for that.

[roamer_1]

I'll judge him on his accomplishments. As I will judge those who undid them.

Its not hard to understand.

Yes in fact it IS. I don't understand your definition of accomplishments.
To me, that is something that actually matters and stays around.

One I will give you that still stands: So far as I know, the US embassy is still in Jerusalem.
That he did it is fine and all.
That it stands makes it count.

And that is excellent.

[skeeter]

Yes in fact it IS. I don't understand your definition of accomplishments.
To me, that is something that actually matters and stays around.

One I will give you that still stands: SO far as I know, the US embassy is still in Jerusalem.
That he did it is fine and all.
That it stands makes it count.

And that is excellent.

James Madison wrote the first amendment. Today the left is dismantling it.

Does that mean he accomplished nothing?

[roamer_1]

James Madison wrote the first amendment. Today the left is dismantling it.

Does that mean he accomplished nothing?

That it stood all these years is grand.
And when it is gone, yes, that ends his accomplishment - It won't matter anymore.

[Cyber Liberty]

Thanks for that.

N00bs....LOL.

[roamer_1]

N00bs....LOL.

Yeah, I get it.

[skeeter]

That it stood all these years is grand.
And when it is gone, yes, that ends his accomplishment - It won't matter anymore.

True. But I'll still be glad he existed and grateful for his efforts.

[roamer_1]

True. But I'll still be glad he existed and grateful for his efforts.

That's fine. But the point is to WIN. For Conservatism.

Where is that?