GOP dilemma — how to keep Trumpers yet regain anti-Trumpers

[christian]

As was erroneously reported that America was never a Christian nation.  That was another liberal constructed deceit.  They kicked the Christians out of government and the public arena, they ushered the Muslims into those same places with respect and honor.  Our founding fathers made it quite clear we were a Judeo-Christian nation, and built America on Christian-Judeo foundations, esp the three branches of government.  People need to quite repeating the old lies of the democrats that sadly are mistaken by so many as established truth.  With that breaking of our foundations, God being rejected,esp by Democrats.  Our nation falls towards the abyss, as we are now witnessing.  Those serving Satan in these times are deluded that God will save them in their time of need.  You cannot serve two Gods, God says, what comes of trying will be destruction, death.

[Smokin Joe]

I agree, in part @Smokin Joe  I don't think there's a political solution to sexual practices, getting pregnant, or marriage.

But cultural norms include freedom, the true and full American story --- including our Founders, and the meaning of "God, Country, Family".  I think we need to stay in this fight -- or this, too, will be decided for us.


I'm not talking about behavior modification through political means.  In fact, I'm of the opinion the less conservatives speak to this, the better politically we will be.   In four short years Donald Trump had American flags waving again, America "first" making sense, pride was back, people talking about the American dream, people running to the employment office, people "fighting" back against socialism and the diminishment of our individual freedoms.  This stuff is just as contagious, if not more, that the liberal bullshit.  If we stay on this track, we won't have to worry about spankings and trophies.


Of course they do.  But don't overlook the 75+ million Americans who took what they were spewing, wrapped it in a big red bow and threw it away on election day.  Please, don't underestimate the basic common sense of the American people.  This is the one lie that ties all the other lies together.
 

I don't think we've arrived at this point.  Are we close? Yes.  Are we there yet?  NO
.

Not yet, Joe.  Not yet.  Can't give them a free rein just yet.  Recognize that November held some good news.  The anti-American Marxist brigade had to steal the government to have the power they now have.  --- We need to keep the people with us, and we need to STOP HR1.


I'll admit it:  This is a nice, poetic ending to a very depressing post. 

But another ray of good news is conservatives are uniquely positioned and uniquely trusted to stop the book burnings, stop the cancel culture, stop the socialism.  WE are the party of freedom!  Methinks Americans are waiting patiently for us to get our political act together, which we are doing, BTW. 

Now is NOT the time to step aside.

When you say what you say about conservatives, the ordinary folks who see the problem, yes, there may be hope. Within the GOP apparatus? Well, that's another tale, and as Shakespeare wrote, it hangs by many a wind instrument... I just don't see it. Despite the ordinary folks imbued with common sense, the revolt against cancel culture, big tech, and the rest, what we all lack (and did, even when Trump was in the White House) is a Party which represents us at the Federal Level. Not that there are not a couple of exceptions to that, just that the mass of the GOP has done diddey-squat to look out for the 'ordinary people' who employ them, and it has been much the same for my lifetime, with rare exception.

The "new normal" we need so desperately would have people in office who place the common interests of their constituents ahead of lining their damned pockets at our expense and in collusion with the Communists and other totalitarians in the Congress and the opportunists all vying for the largest slice of OUR pie, while we're lucky to get table scraps.

In conservatism, there is always reason to hope. In the Party, not so, as they have proven time and again.

[Sled Dog]

Fight *for what*?? More than thirty years I been listening to that crap and nary a win. Not one in thirty friggin years.
Sooner or later a feller is going to stop expecting different results. For me, that was in 07... And for me, since then, without raising six figures every election, without pounding pavement, I have found far more success just practicing Conservatism with my own hand, where I can control and see real results.

So hell no. I heard it all before. And not a damn thing has changed.

Only thirty years, huh?   Gotta love those people who quit early.

The real Americans take their motto from John Carter, Warlord of Barsoom:  "I still live."

[Sled Dog]

You should learn something about wisdom and grace.

Agree,  And yet the Roe v Wade decision stands.  As a nation of laws, it matters little that the SC is a political body and not perfect.

Yes.  The law stands.

The law stands ignored.

When did the United States Supreme Court assume the powers of the legislature and began crafting laws?

Roe v Wade is a wrong DECISION.  Not a law.

Want to  know what the law says?

The law says "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;"

That's what the law says.

See anything there about penumbras or choice?

You may not be a judge, but you are certainly judgmental, sanctimonious and repellant.  Neither your worldview nor your trash talk have a place in the 21st Century political arena.

Thank God for that.  I would be really concerned if the people who murder babies liked me.

[Sled Dog]

You clearly do not understand the reconciliation rules.  Any Senator can propose amendments which must be read on the Senate floor by that Senator.  How long do you think it would take someone to read a 20,000 page amendment?

I understand the Rodents needed 60 Senators to vote to pass the bill, and they only had 59 plus one fraudulent pervert.

I also understand that tax bills must originate in the House.   MessiahCare originated in the Senate. 

I understand that the Constitution does not permit the federal government to create health coverage.

If you're going to go on and on about rules, you should start with the big rules, not the little ones.

And, of course, there's that little thing about "my body, my choice".  The Rodents decided people don't have the freedom to choose what to do with the insurance coverage on their bodies.  They are property, obviously, not sovereign citizens.

[Sled Dog]

One's opinion on abortion has zero bearing on the Constitutionality of Roe.

That's true enough.

Neither does the opinion of nine other unelected people, especially when they are clearly wrong.

Read the Fifth Amendment again.   Find the loophole.  The baby-killing judges didn't find it, either.

[Smokin Joe]

Here is what too many of you forget. We can't fix anything...we can't advance any conservative principles...we cannot move the nation back towards justice and sanity...we cannot turn the budget around or secure the border....if we lose elections.

I think its fair to say that nearly everyone here believes in the advancement of conservatism as our governing philosophy...but some of you think simply being conservative results, automatically, in electoral victory. So let me shock some of you...it doesn't. We have to communicate at a human and common sense level...we have to persuade rather than deliver moral lectures from an ivory lectern on rectitude that lack any sense of empathy, love, or understanding...we cannot hide in our mountain cabins spouting cliche's about our own conservative authenticity while making idiotic proclamations that there's no difference between a Mike Pence and a Kamala Harris....and we can't condemn our own leaders when they don't magically fix all of our budget excesses and balance our budget with their magic wands.

We can KNOW where we want conservatism to take us...fiscally...and yet understand what is politically possible for ANY leader. Doing as some here advocate...for example, instantly passing a balanced budget...would have destroyed conservatism as a political force for a generation. We can be principled without being suicidal morons...in political terms.

We DO need to be tactical....we do need to think strategically...we do need to cull RINO's and dingbat NT's like Romney/Bush/Cheney/ and others. We cannot afford to execute a full scale "purging" of the party, nor can we afford to split into 3rd parties and factions. Again, such things can only end in generational defeat.

We have to talk to people at their level...as in reach out to minorities and women and offer COMPASSIONED and reasoned arguments for why conservatism will make their lives better...we need to talk to millenials and younger voters in a way that DOES NOT sound like "grumpy grandpa bah-humbug" ranting. Quite frankly, the way roamer1 communicates his views...is precisely why so many see conservatism as anachronistic, uncaring, and irrational. And I say that KNOWING that roamer is right on nearly every issues...his positions are correct...but commuicating conservatism as a moral and angry sermon turns people to liberalism. ITs a a dimwitted tactic that feels good and loses elections...and losing elections is precisely how conservatism dies.

So quit damn trying to feel good about how f'ing pure you are as a conservative, and start trying to win some people over to our philosophy with reason, compassion and empathy...without all the moral grandstanding, preaching and condescension.

That is how we win....and that is what the President was doing before the NT/RINO's undercut him at every turn and put us ALL where we are now.

All very nice. Bravo.

Now why do you think the RINOs and fellow travelers have so dismally failed to address the latest blatant FRAUD?

I think we are past the point of "winning elections".

Trump slipped by the normal padding for Hillary. After all, the 'fix' was in, and her win assured. Why do you think the Democrats were in shock over 2016? They had the "Madame President" issues all printed up, and SAY WHAT? HE got how many votes?

Of course, that won't happen again, even if they have to stop counting in key states and revamp the whole system in mid stride. WHICH THEY DID.

But here's the catch. The RINOs and GOPe are dancing with that devil, and have been for decades. It's all part of the Kabuki that keeps them trading power back and forth, but ever advancing toward their mutual goal line of a totalitarian state--or at least enough so that they can deem themselves our rulers.

In The Hound of the Baskervilles, the point was made by A. Conan Doyle, and it is relevant here, that the dog which doesn't bark knows its owner.
The GOP didn't bark.
The theft of the 2020 election is a fait accompli, and here isn't a damned thing going to be done about it. The same people who rigged and stole the election are in charge of and complicit with those investigating it.
The same people who couldn't 'see' the ANTIFAs and others who served them a agents provocateur and the real insurrectionists on Capitol Hill, who now are the excuse for the Congress of the United States to hide behind troops and a bastion of fencing and razor wire, more security than since the Army of the Confederate States of America was just a few miles across the River and through the woods, those people are going to spend the foreseeable future finding 'crimes' where there are none and ignoring the egregious violations of the Constitution and the public will, shielded by a press corps that would have made Goebbels proud.

Elections? Silly man, there will be no elections of anyone not approved by the State. You won't even get them nominated, and if you do, they will be shot down in flames like Roy Moore, by a willing and lascivious press and without any support from "their own" Party, because both Parties are in cahoots.

All those years of fractured solidarity, and "mavericks" and "defections"? Pure theater, with the cold calculus of who could survive a 'bad' vote and still gain reelection--which is why those usually came from people who could buy the winning margin with some pork provision or who were from more liberal districts and could count on enough crossover vote to be reelected (assuming there wasn't fraud in the first place).

After this last display of outright THEFT, the whole "in your face" ripoff of this Nation, its policies, its coffers, and the bondage of its people chained to eternal debt, you think We, The People stand a chance of voting our way back to sanity? Oh, hell no. It's going to get a lot crazier before it is over. Don't let your normalcy bias catch you flatfooted. Normal solutions will not work in abnormal times, so unless and until the means of counting, tabulating, casting the ballots are taken back from the thieves, elections won't mean squat.

[Bigun]

All very nice. Bravo.

Now why do you think the RINOs and fellow travelers have so dismally failed to address the latest blatant FRAUD?

I think we are past the point of "winning elections".

Trump slipped by the normal padding for Hillary. After all, the 'fix' was in, and her win assured. Why do you think the Democrats were in shock over 2016? They had the "Madame President" issues all printed up, and SAY WHAT? HE got how many votes?

Of course, that won't happen again, even if they have to stop counting in key states and revamp the whole system in mid stride. WHICH THEY DID.

But here's the catch. The RINOs and GOPe are dancing with that devil, and have been for decades. It's all part of the Kabuki that keeps them trading power back and forth, but ever advancing toward their mutual goal line of a totalitarian state--or at least enough so that they can deem themselves our rulers.

In The Hound of the Baskervilles, the point was made by A. Conan Doyle, and it is relevant here, that the dog which doesn't bark knows its owner.
The GOP didn't bark.
The theft of the 2020 election is a fait accompli, and here isn't a damned thing going to be done about it. The same people who rigged and stole the election are in charge of and complicit with those investigating it.
The same people who couldn't 'see' the ANTIFAs and others who served them a agents provocateur and the real insurrectionists on Capitol Hill, who now are the excuse for the Congress of the United States to hide behind troops and a bastion of fencing and razor wire, more security than since the Army of the Confederate States of America was just a few miles across the River and through the woods, those people are going to spend the foreseeable future finding 'crimes' where there are none and ignoring the egregious violations of the Constitution and the public will, shielded by a press corps that would have made Goebbels proud.

Elections? Silly man, there will be no elections of anyone not approved by the State. You won't even get them nominated, and if you do, they will be shot down in flames like Roy Moore, by a willing and lascivious press and without any support from "their own" Party, because both Parties are in cahoots.

All those years of fractured solidarity, and "mavericks" and "defections"? Pure theater, with the cold calculus of who could survive a 'bad' vote and still gain reelection--which is why those usually came from people who could buy the winning margin with some pork provision or who were from more liberal districts and could count on enough crossover vote to be reelected (assuming there wasn't fraud in the first place).

After this last display of outright THEFT, the whole "in your face" ripoff of this Nation, its policies, its coffers, and the bondage of its people chained to eternal debt, you think We, The People stand a chance of voting our way back to sanity? Oh, hell no. It's going to get a lot crazier before it is over. Don't let your normalcy bias catch you flatfooted. Normal solutions will not work in abnormal times, so unless and until the means of counting, tabulating, casting the ballots are taken back from the thieves, elections won't mean squat.

  That fairly sums it up IMHO. Sad as that may be.

[sneakypete]

As was erroneously reported that America was never a Christian nation.   

@christian

That was and is an illusion,created by superstitious cretins and reinforced by un-Constitutional laws passed by cowardly politicians who had to suck up to the churches to get elected. You could actually go to jail or even prison in Colonial tiames for denying the existence of Gawd,or questioning the Christian version of the Koran,the "Holy Bible".

Mankind was ruled more by superstition and fear back then than reason,but the Founding Fathers were courageous enough to insist on the Separation of Church and State on the Federal Level. Eventually,things like Witch Burnings were even made crimes,which I have no doubt some of you deeply regret.

America should be governed by reason,not superstition.

If you want to thump on your Bible and speak in Tongues,you have the right to do that in your place of worship or your homes,and I will defend that right.

HOWEVER,if you try to make it the law and force ME to follow your superstitions,we got a problem.

Organized religion is the most destructive disease in the history of mankind,and responsible for more deaths that anything else you can think of.

[skeeter]

All very nice. Bravo.

Now why do you think the RINOs and fellow travelers have so dismally failed to address the latest blatant FRAUD?

I think we are past the point of "winning elections".

Trump slipped by the normal padding for Hillary. After all, the 'fix' was in, and her win assured. Why do you think the Democrats were in shock over 2016? They had the "Madame President" issues all printed up, and SAY WHAT? HE got how many votes?

Of course, that won't happen again, even if they have to stop counting in key states and revamp the whole system in mid stride. WHICH THEY DID.

But here's the catch. The RINOs and GOPe are dancing with that devil, and have been for decades. It's all part of the Kabuki that keeps them trading power back and forth, but ever advancing toward their mutual goal line of a totalitarian state--or at least enough so that they can deem themselves our rulers.

In The Hound of the Baskervilles, the point was made by A. Conan Doyle, and it is relevant here, that the dog which doesn't bark knows its owner.
The GOP didn't bark.
The theft of the 2020 election is a fait accompli, and here isn't a damned thing going to be done about it. The same people who rigged and stole the election are in charge of and complicit with those investigating it.
The same people who couldn't 'see' the ANTIFAs and others who served them a agents provocateur and the real insurrectionists on Capitol Hill, who now are the excuse for the Congress of the United States to hide behind troops and a bastion of fencing and razor wire, more security than since the Army of the Confederate States of America was just a few miles across the River and through the woods, those people are going to spend the foreseeable future finding 'crimes' where there are none and ignoring the egregious violations of the Constitution and the public will, shielded by a press corps that would have made Goebbels proud.

Elections? Silly man, there will be no elections of anyone not approved by the State. You won't even get them nominated, and if you do, they will be shot down in flames like Roy Moore, by a willing and lascivious press and without any support from "their own" Party, because both Parties are in cahoots.

All those years of fractured solidarity, and "mavericks" and "defections"? Pure theater, with the cold calculus of who could survive a 'bad' vote and still gain reelection--which is why those usually came from people who could buy the winning margin with some pork provision or who were from more liberal districts and could count on enough crossover vote to be reelected (assuming there wasn't fraud in the first place).

After this last display of outright THEFT, the whole "in your face" ripoff of this Nation, its policies, its coffers, and the bondage of its people chained to eternal debt, you think We, The People stand a chance of voting our way back to sanity? Oh, hell no. It's going to get a lot crazier before it is over. Don't let your normalcy bias catch you flatfooted. Normal solutions will not work in abnormal times, so unless and until the means of counting, tabulating, casting the ballots are taken back from the thieves, elections won't mean squat.

All true. As I've said, this has been reality in California for a decade or two already. And voters in this former swing state just sat fat, dumb and happy as their birth right was stripped away.

[sneakypete]

Only thirty years, huh?   Gotta love those people who quit early.

The real Americans take their motto from John Carter, Warlord of Barsoom:  "I still live."

@Sled Dog

YIKES! Decades must have passed since I last read those words,but they still bring a smile to my face.

Thank you for the memories!

[sneakypete]

All very nice. Bravo.

Now why do you think the RINOs and fellow travelers have so dismally failed to address the latest blatant FRAUD?

I think we are past the point of "winning elections".

Trump slipped by the normal padding for Hillary. After all, the 'fix' was in, and her win assured. Why do you think the Democrats were in shock over 2016? They had the "Madame President" issues all printed up, and SAY WHAT? HE got how many votes?

Of course, that won't happen again, even if they have to stop counting in key states and revamp the whole system in mid stride. WHICH THEY DID.

But here's the catch. The RINOs and GOPe are dancing with that devil, and have been for decades. It's all part of the Kabuki that keeps them trading power back and forth, but ever advancing toward their mutual goal line of a totalitarian state--or at least enough so that they can deem themselves our rulers.

In The Hound of the Baskervilles, the point was made by A. Conan Doyle, and it is relevant here, that the dog which doesn't bark knows its owner.
The GOP didn't bark.
The theft of the 2020 election is a fait accompli, and here isn't a damned thing going to be done about it. The same people who rigged and stole the election are in charge of and complicit with those investigating it.
The same people who couldn't 'see' the ANTIFAs and others who served them a agents provocateur and the real insurrectionists on Capitol Hill, who now are the excuse for the Congress of the United States to hide behind troops and a bastion of fencing and razor wire, more security than since the Army of the Confederate States of America was just a few miles across the River and through the woods, those people are going to spend the foreseeable future finding 'crimes' where there are none and ignoring the egregious violations of the Constitution and the public will, shielded by a press corps that would have made Goebbels proud.

Elections? Silly man, there will be no elections of anyone not approved by the State. You won't even get them nominated, and if you do, they will be shot down in flames like Roy Moore, by a willing and lascivious press and without any support from "their own" Party, because both Parties are in cahoots.

All those years of fractured solidarity, and "mavericks" and "defections"? Pure theater, with the cold calculus of who could survive a 'bad' vote and still gain reelection--which is why those usually came from people who could buy the winning margin with some pork provision or who were from more liberal districts and could count on enough crossover vote to be reelected (assuming there wasn't fraud in the first place).

After this last display of outright THEFT, the whole "in your face" ripoff of this Nation, its policies, its coffers, and the bondage of its people chained to eternal debt, you think We, The People stand a chance of voting our way back to sanity? Oh, hell no. It's going to get a lot crazier before it is over. Don't let your normalcy bias catch you flatfooted. Normal solutions will not work in abnormal times, so unless and until the means of counting, tabulating, casting the ballots are taken back from the thieves, elections won't mean squat.

@Smokin Joe

PREACH IT,Brother!

[sneakypete]

Yes.  The law stands.

The law stands ignored.

When did the United States Supreme Court assume the powers of the legislature and began crafting laws?

Roe v Wade is a wrong DECISION.  Not a law.

Want to  know what the law says?

The law says "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger;"

That's what the law says.

See anything there about penumbras or choice?



Thank God for that.  I would be really concerned if the people who murder babies liked me.

@Sled Dog

I don't "murder babies",and neither does anyone else that I know. Murder is a legal term. Even abortion doctors don't "murder" babies. They just kill them.

Yes,there IS  a difference. For example,if you kill someone that attacked you and is trying to kill you,they are still dead,even though you didn't murder them.

Just like a doctor doesn't murder a fetus when he or she kills it because carrying it to term and giving birth to it would kill the mother.  Do potential mothers NOT have the right to self-defense?

You are probably going to be saying this is splitting hairs,but it isn't. The same legal system that allows a woman to terminate a pregnancy that is a threat to her life and health also permits killing a armed robber or rapist that is attacking you because you have a RIGHT to self-defense.

Or are you going to claim that pregnant females do not have the RIGHT of self-defense?

[roamer_1]

Only thirty years, huh?   Gotta love those people who quit early.

My first vote was in '80. The last year I was bonafide Republican was '07

The real Americans take their motto from John Carter, Warlord of Barsoom:  "I still live."

Oh, I still live alright. Just all the wiser. That Lucy/football thing? That ain't happening no damn more.

I will not help Republicans enslave us on the dim hope they will be kinder masters than Democrats.

[roamer_1]

Thank God for that.  I would be really concerned if the people who murder babies liked me.

That's right. 

[Bigun]

Can anyone provide me with the bonefied definition of "Republican"?  You know, the one everybody agrees upon.

[roamer_1]

In The Hound of the Baskervilles, the point was made by A. Conan Doyle, and it is relevant here, that the dog which doesn't bark knows its owner.

Arthur Conan Doyle... Now there's one I ain't read in a long while. That's worth picking up again. Off to the used book store soon. Thanks for the inspiration.

The GOP didn't bark.

Damn right.

All those years of fractured solidarity, and "mavericks" and "defections"? Pure theater, with the cold calculus of who could survive a 'bad' vote and still gain reelection--which is why those usually came from people who could buy the winning margin with some pork provision or who were from more liberal districts and could count on enough crossover vote to be reelected (assuming there wasn't fraud in the first place).

FACTS. The 'Gang-of-Eight' play has been there all along.

Good post.

[sneakypete]

Can anyone provide me with the bonefied definition of "Republican"?  You know, the one everybody agrees upon.

@Bigun

I'm no longer sure there is such a thing,but the longer I live the more it seems to be narrowing down to "criminal on the take"
.

[roamer_1]

Can anyone provide me with the bonefied definition of "Republican"?  You know, the one everybody agrees upon.

Dunno. But whatever it is it's gonna smell like urine and betrayal.

[Hoodat]

All very nice. Bravo.

Now why do you think the RINOs and fellow travelers have so dismally failed to address the latest blatant FRAUD?

I think we are past the point of "winning elections".

Trump slipped by the normal padding for Hillary. After all, the 'fix' was in, and her win assured. Why do you think the Democrats were in shock over 2016? They had the "Madame President" issues all printed up, and SAY WHAT? HE got how many votes?

Of course, that won't happen again, even if they have to stop counting in key states and revamp the whole system in mid stride. WHICH THEY DID.

But here's the catch. The RINOs and GOPe are dancing with that devil, and have been for decades. It's all part of the Kabuki that keeps them trading power back and forth, but ever advancing toward their mutual goal line of a totalitarian state--or at least enough so that they can deem themselves our rulers.

In The Hound of the Baskervilles, the point was made by A. Conan Doyle, and it is relevant here, that the dog which doesn't bark knows its owner.
The GOP didn't bark.
The theft of the 2020 election is a fait accompli, and here isn't a damned thing going to be done about it. The same people who rigged and stole the election are in charge of and complicit with those investigating it.
The same people who couldn't 'see' the ANTIFAs and others who served them a agents provocateur and the real insurrectionists on Capitol Hill, who now are the excuse for the Congress of the United States to hide behind troops and a bastion of fencing and razor wire, more security than since the Army of the Confederate States of America was just a few miles across the River and through the woods, those people are going to spend the foreseeable future finding 'crimes' where there are none and ignoring the egregious violations of the Constitution and the public will, shielded by a press corps that would have made Goebbels proud.

Elections? Silly man, there will be no elections of anyone not approved by the State. You won't even get them nominated, and if you do, they will be shot down in flames like Roy Moore, by a willing and lascivious press and without any support from "their own" Party, because both Parties are in cahoots.

All those years of fractured solidarity, and "mavericks" and "defections"? Pure theater, with the cold calculus of who could survive a 'bad' vote and still gain reelection--which is why those usually came from people who could buy the winning margin with some pork provision or who were from more liberal districts and could count on enough crossover vote to be reelected (assuming there wasn't fraud in the first place).

After this last display of outright THEFT, the whole "in your face" ripoff of this Nation, its policies, its coffers, and the bondage of its people chained to eternal debt, you think We, The People stand a chance of voting our way back to sanity? Oh, hell no. It's going to get a lot crazier before it is over. Don't let your normalcy bias catch you flatfooted. Normal solutions will not work in abnormal times, so unless and until the means of counting, tabulating, casting the ballots are taken back from the thieves, elections won't mean squat.

That was AWESOME!

[Hoodat]

Can anyone provide me with the bonefied definition of "Republican"?  You know, the one everybody agrees upon.

Only comparatively.  Basically, Democrats come forward and announce, "We are going to implement a really bad idea."  Republicans follow up by saying, "We are going to take that idea and make it worse."

[Bigun]

If no one can define what a "republican" is how in the hell can they label anyone a RINO?

[txradioguy]

If no one can define what a "republican" is how in the hell can they label anyone a RINO?

"I don't know how to define it...but I'll know it when I see it." - Potter Stewart

[roamer_1]

If no one can define what a "republican" is how in the hell can they label anyone a RINO?

That's likely right... Anymore, I would propose that it is the odd Republican Conservative that is actually a RINO - Out of step, as it were, with the true Republican agenda.

Which is why I am blessed to be a Conservative, first and only. I owe the GOP nothing.

[bilo]

Let's go back to 2010.  The Democrats pass Obamacare through reconciliation.  Not a single Republican votes for it, but not a single Republican tries to stop it either.  The bill could have been tied up for eternity with an endless parade of amendments.  But they simply didn't have it in them.  Instead, they turn to us - the TEA Conservatives.  They said that if we got out there with enough support to give them control of the House, they would be able to reverse Obamacare.  This is exactly what Conservatives did.  They turned out and handed the Speaker position over to the GOP.  And in 2011, what did John Boehner and his new Republican majority do?  They fully funded ObamaCare.  2012?  Same thing.  And again in 2013.  By 2014, they cried about how they couldn't do it without the Senate.  So Conservatives turned out again and gave the GOP control of the Senate too.

So in 2015 with both Houses of Congress under GOP control, do you think they defunded Obamacare?  Nope.  In 2016, the new cry became the White House.  They needed a Republican President to get the deed done.  So once again, Conservatives turned out and got Trump elected.

Now it's 2017.  Republicans control the House.  Republicans control the Senate.  Republicans control the White House.  Yet ObamaCare still gets funded.  The Federal government still mandates what must be covered.  The deduction for medical costs remains at 10% instead of reverting back to 7.5%, hurting those with chronic health issues the most.  And the taxpayer is still on the hook for other people's insurance that now costs four times what it cost before because of government mandates.  The only thing that changed was that a tax (for which there was no penalty for avoiding and no mechanism for enforcing) got removed.  Everything else remained in place.  Everything.

This is what happened when we won elections.  And they were won because there was a Conservative cause at stake.  Well I for one am sick and tired of being lied to.


The Republican Party clearly does not.






I don't feel good.  I feel betrayed.  Seriously, I can't even get the Republican Party to put safeguards in place that will block an individual ballot from being counted more than once in an election.  Never mind something complex like honoring their word to repeal ObamaCare or defunding Planned Parenthood.


I do that on a daily basis.  Yet all I get back is how people like me are the problem, and how we must give out free sh*t just like the Democrats do in order to win elections, all while our very party sells us out.


The GOP was undercutting Trump from the day following the 2016 GOP Convention until now.  Trump simply didn't recognize it. Personally, I don't have a problem with Trump.  But I have a hell of a big problem with the GOP from top to bottom.  They alone are to blame for Biden occupying the White House.  They alone are to blame for Dem control of the House and Senate.  And they alone are to blame for the $1.9 trillion slush fund that Democrats just voted themselves to carry them through the next eight years of elections.

Absolutely great post!

One point, I think Trump knew early on he was fighting with his own party as well as the Rats. Trump is a true outsider, not beholding to anyone but he didn't come in with 30 years of political practice under his belt and a network of thousands to draw on. He came in with 40 true believers (?) and from day one had to deal with Rino's in his White House and throughout the bureaucracy.