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Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« on: February 02, 2021, 03:34:46 pm »

Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm

Experts caution against linking deaths with injection.


By Daniel Payne

Updated: February 2, 2021 - 8:04am



As questions have begun to swirl around numerous deaths that have been reported after individuals received a COVID-19 vaccine, experts are urging the public not to leap to the conclusion that those fatalities were caused by the vaccine itself.

The deaths that have been reported worldwide following an injection of the vaccine include: nearly three dozen elderly patients in Norway, the baseball legend Hank Aaron, a Florida physician, another Florida medical worker, an individual in Placer County, Calif., and numerous others.

Kristen Nordlund, a spokeswoman for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that in a Wednesday meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices the agency identified just under 200 deaths "following COVID-19 vaccination" in the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, a database run by the CDC. As of Monday evening, that number had risen to a little over 230.

Nordlund cautioned that the deaths in VAERS should not be assumed to have been caused by the vaccine.

"It's important to be aware that we can describe how many reports VAERS has received after a given vaccine," she told Just the News. "We cannot tell you how many are associated with the vaccine. VAERS data generally don't allow determination of causality."

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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/amid-covid-19-vaccination-campaign-fears-raised-over-deaths
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2021, 04:59:07 pm »
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2021, 10:11:48 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 02, 2021, 04:59:07 pm
It’s Gene Therapy, Not a Vaccine

https://www.westonaprice.org/podcast/its-gene-therapy-not-a-vaccine/

@XenaLee, mRNA vaccines cannot alter DNA. At all. Cells' DNA resides in their nucleus and mitochondrion. mRNA goes to and is used by a cell's ribosome, its protein factory. mRNA is the blueprint the ribosome uses to construct proteins.
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2021, 10:15:41 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 02, 2021, 10:11:48 pm
@XenaLee, mRNA vaccines cannot alter DNA. At all. Cells' DNA resides in their nucleus and mitochondrion. mRNA goes to and is used by a cell's ribosome, its protein factory. mRNA is the blueprint the ribosome uses to construct proteins.

Gee, I had no idea that you were our resident expert.
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2021, 12:14:21 am »
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2021, 01:28:22 am »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 02, 2021, 10:15:41 pm
Gee, I had no idea that you were our resident expert.

@XenaLee, what I posted is high school or undergraduate-level Biology. I don't claim to be an expert, and your sarcasm is uncalled for.
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2021, 01:44:26 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 03, 2021, 01:28:22 am
@XenaLee, what I posted is high school or undergraduate-level Biology. I don't claim to be an expert, and your sarcasm is uncalled for.

Not really.
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2021, 03:23:35 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 03, 2021, 01:28:22 am
@XenaLee, what I posted is high school or undergraduate-level Biology. I don't claim to be an expert, and your sarcasm is uncalled for.

Well, it's kinda her thing so...  :whistle:




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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2021, 12:41:04 pm »
Okay, we won't assume the deaths of Hank Aaron, et al., were caused by the vaccine if departments of health won't assume the deaths of people in their 90s or those thrown from motorcycles and their skulls cracked were caused by the 'Rona. Deal?
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2021, 03:20:36 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on February 03, 2021, 03:23:35 am
Well, it's kinda her thing so...  :whistle:

@XenaLee    :seeya:

Grassy-Knoll type CTs are harmless if wrong. The false mRNA Vaccines Will Reprogram Your DNA CT is dangerous, putting it mildly.
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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2021, 03:46:13 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 02, 2021, 10:11:48 pm
@XenaLee, mRNA vaccines cannot alter DNA. At all. Cells' DNA resides in their nucleus and mitochondrion. mRNA goes to and is used by a cell's ribosome, its protein factory. mRNA is the blueprint the ribosome uses to construct proteins.

Yeah, no offense...but....I'm gonna need a link/proof on that, Pete.   You see.... I missed/skipped out on high school biology.   I was out under the bleachers toking it up with the other juvenile delinquents.  And as far as CTs go, many are claiming that daring to say that the election was stolen is a "CT".  So.....so much for your CT theory.   JS....

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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2021, 03:50:17 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 03, 2021, 03:20:36 pm
Grassy-Knoll type CTs are harmless if wrong. The false mRNA Vaccines Will Reprogram Your DNA CT is dangerous, putting it mildly.

So, are we supposed to just take your word for it?   Where is your link to an article disputing the claims in the article I posted?   I'll wait....
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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2021, 03:51:35 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on February 03, 2021, 03:23:35 am
Well, it's kinda her thing so...  :whistle:




@XenaLee    :seeya:

And you love that about me, smart ass.    ****slapping   :tongue2:
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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2021, 04:06:54 pm »
Go find a Biology textbook at your local library. I'm not going to waste my time. Of course, the textbook writers are probably part of the mRNA Reprogramming conspiracy.
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Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 03, 2021, 04:06:54 pm
Go find a Biology textbook at your local library. I'm not going to waste my time. Of course, the textbook writers are probably part of the mRNA Reprogramming conspiracy.

Ahem.... from Pfizer's website....

We see gene therapy as a key pillar of our Rare Disease strategy. In addition, we are interested in the application of gene therapy to select central nervous system (CNS) and heart diseases. We are also seeking promoter technologies, as well as industry-leading vector analytics and immune surveillance approaches, and in-vivo gene editing technologies.

https://www.pfizer.com/partners/discovery/modalities-and-platforms/gene-therapy
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2021, 04:18:57 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 03, 2021, 04:06:54 pm
Go find a Biology textbook at your local library. I'm not going to waste my time. Of course, the textbook writers are probably part of the mRNA Reprogramming conspiracy.

Hey Pete..... instruct me.  Isn't using genetic material in a vaccine the same as 'gene therapy'?

Moderna’s vaccine uses genetic material called messenger RNA to instruct cells to produce the spike protein, which in turn stimulates a protective immune response. That mRNA sequence, though, can be quickly changed to account for amino acid changes — the original sequence used, for example, took two days to finalize. And BioNTech executives have said they can design an updated shot in four to six weeks.

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-variant-moderna-pfizer-vaccine-effectiveness-booster/594140/
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2021, 04:26:29 pm »
Hmmm...a few people die of Covid and it’s a great alarm. A few more die of the “vaccine” and it’s no alarm, a nattaburger!
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2021, 04:39:43 pm »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on February 03, 2021, 04:26:29 pm
Hmmm...a few people die of Covid and it’s a great alarm. A few more die of the “vaccine” and it’s no alarm, a nattaburger!

The point is... everyone needs to be aware of the risks, of the disinformation and of the false assumptions....and then make their own decision based on knowledge vs. the ignorance that the left tries to exploit and use to their own benefit.

If you think the risk is worth it, take the shot(s).   Considering that... for most folks the worst of Covid is mild flu symptoms... vs. unknown reactions to the vaccine.... many will refuse the vaccine.   

Also, since the vaccine does not prevent those vaccinated from 'passing it on' and infecting others (see below), this could end up making things worse (unintended consequences?) than better.... since vaccinated people will assume they are safe to be among others.   

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Research has shown that the biotech firm’s shot is effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19, but there’s no hard evidence that it stops them from carrying the virus “transiently” and potentially infecting others who haven’t been vaccinated, according to Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer.

“I think we need to be careful, as we get vaccinated, not to over-interpret the results,” Zaks told Axios in a TV interview released Monday. “When we start the deployment of this vaccine, we will not have sufficient concrete data to prove that this vaccine reduces transmission.”

https://nypost.com/2020/11/24/moderna-boss-says-covid-shot-not-proven-to-stop-virus-spread/

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Re: Amid reported deaths following COVID-19 vaccinations, experts allay fears, discourage alarm
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2021, 05:10:36 pm »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on February 03, 2021, 04:26:29 pm
Hmmm...a few people die of Covid and it’s a great alarm. A few more die of the “vaccine” and it’s no alarm, a nattaburger!

Man, I have never heard 2 and a quarter million called a few before.
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2021, 12:16:04 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on February 03, 2021, 03:20:36 pm
Grassy-Knoll type CTs are harmless if wrong. The false mRNA Vaccines Will Reprogram Your DNA CT is dangerous, putting it mildly.

No... I meant the sarcasm. If she is wrong she is wrong, but do not expect @XenaLee to respond without sarcasm. It is the veritable point of her rapier wit.

And I don't think she's wrong, even if she is found to be incorrect.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2021, 12:17:51 am »
Quote from: roamer_1 on February 04, 2021, 12:16:04 am
No... I meant the sarcasm. If she is wrong she is wrong, but do not expect @XenaLee to respond without sarcasm. It is the veritable point of her rapier wit.

And I don't think she's wrong, even if she is found to be incorrect.

Great save!   Kudos.    :rolling:
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And you love that about me, smart ass.    ****slapping   :tongue2:

Yes! As a genuine matter-of-fact, I do.  happy77
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« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2021, 12:20:00 am »
And for the record.... anyone (not naming names) that does not know that the 'Covid death numbers' have been artificially inflated (nice way of saying they lied) for political motives hasn't been paying attention.
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« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2021, 12:49:18 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on February 04, 2021, 12:20:00 am
And for the record.... anyone (not naming names) that does not know that the 'Covid death numbers' have been artificially inflated (nice way of saying they lied) for political motives hasn't been paying attention.

If you ignore the claimed causes of death and only look at total deaths for the year, it is not a pretty picture.  That is not from a sudden rise in traffic deaths.



Excess mortality using raw death counts
https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
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