Who is really closest to the Nazis?

[Sled Dog]

I dunno, the nazis never had more than 33% support in Germany and the socialist Hitler was crowned Chancellor by Hindenburg after he bullied the old man. And that was all she wrote.

Don’t think his rise had anything to do with convincing Germans to compromise their principles.

The problem with Germany is that, sure, only 33% of them supported National Socialism.

The other 67% supported communism, a form of socialism, and socialism, a form of socialism, and damn few supported freedom.

They deserved what they got.

More than 50% of the US supports fascism, a form of socialism, too.

[Sled Dog]

Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.

Who's "we", Kimosabe?

The Germans lost most of their testosterone in WWI, lost the rest in WWII, and now lie supine before the renewed Islamic invasion of Europe...actually, all of Europe is actively aiding the Invasionl.

Most people ignore the Germans now in Germany as being irrelevant and worthless.

The Real Nazis (TM) just stole the White House.

[Sled Dog]

My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?  It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.

It must be because the President of the 57 United States recognized that Austrians speak some other language than German.

[The_Reader_David]

We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!

No, in 1790 barely over half of our population was of English ancestry.  If you mean British and include Scots and Ulstermen, it was 65%, but even that isn't "virtually all".  Already at that point about 7% of the population were of German ancestry.

And from 1820 to 1920 we got about 4.3 million Irish immigrants and about 5.4 million German immigrants. The reason you think the Irish were "our predominant class" is that anti-Catholic prejudice made them "other," so they were noticed as immigrants, and treated as a "class" (cf. Irish need not apply), while German immigrants were largely Protestants, fit into the dominant culture more easily, and were less likely to settle in cities.

[The_Reader_David]

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Thank you for the numbers which I accept.
Russell Kirk's "American Order" affirmed our founding Anglo-Saxon Legacy.
The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!

But self-identified Irish Americans are identifying with a Celtic, not an Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

Yes, we have an "Anglo-Saxon legacy" as Kirk put it.  Our Founding presupposed ideas of English law, like the writ of habeas corpus and the notion of common law as givens.  Our language has always been English (though briefly some of the Founders flirted with making German our official language as a way of sharpening the break with Britain, an idea sensibly rejected).  It think it would be fairer to say we haven an Anglo-Scottish legacy, since the republicanism the prevailed had Presbyterian origins, but Kirk, as a son of the Latin Church wouldn't want to emphasize that. 

The important legacy is one of cultural ancestry, not genetic ancestry.  Every American conservative, even if his or her ancestors to the tenth generation all came from Africa or China is a cultural descendant of Englishmen.  Don't weaken Kirk's valid point.

[skeeter]

The problem with Germany is that, sure, only 33% of them supported National Socialism.

The other 67% supported communism, a form of socialism, and socialism, a form of socialism, and damn few supported freedom.

They deserved what they got.

More than 50% of the US supports fascism, a form of socialism, too.

Many of those who joined the Nazi party had come over from the Marxists. It's attraction, besides being more muscular, was it's nationalist component, as England and France were in the process of impoverishing Germany as a consequence of their losing WWI.

If the allies hadn't been such richards towards Germany following the great war all of Germany may well have ended up in the same camp as the international communists.

[Sled Dog]

Many of those who joined the Nazi party had come over from the Marxists. It's attraction, besides being more muscular, was it's nationalist component, as England and France were in the process of impoverishing Germany as a consequence of their losing WWI.

If the allies hadn't been such richards towards Germany following the great war all of Germany may well have ended up in the same camp as the international communists.

Racism is usually a big component of socialism.    It helps foment the "us vs them", "oppressed vs oppressors" dogma that fuels the emotional stupidity of the ground-level socialist.

This is certainly true of the Democrats (aka Rodents) of the United States.

[Fishrrman]

Sled Dog:
"The Real Nazis (TM) just stole the White House."

Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.

[sneakypete]

Sled Dog:
"The Real Nazis (TM) just stole the White House."

Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.

@Fishrrman   @Sled Dog

Truth to tell,there is damn little practical difference between the two.

[Sled Dog]

Sled Dog:
"The Real Nazis (TM) just stole the White House."

Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.

I can't stop being ignorant.

That would require I was ignorant in the first place.

The Rodents are fascists and the Rodents stole the 2020 election, ergo the fascists stole the election.

Communism is the socialist ideology that empowers the government to steal all private property and redistribute it to the party leaders....OOOOOPS!  to the people, to the people!   

Fascism is the socialist ideology that takes operational control of industry from the owners, but which permits the owners to keep the profits, using racism to con the marks into voting for this garbage. 

Communism kills millions by starvation, which is the natural by-product of socialism.

Fascism kills on an industrial scale, say like when the fascists in America murder a million babies a year, including 50% of black babies.   American fascists have murdered far more future US citizens than than the National Socialists of Germany killed Europeans in Europe.

Fascists use manufactured martyr figures like Horst Wessel to stir up party loyalty.   Fascists in America fake up Thug Martin and Thug Mountain and Rodney King and similar trash for the same purpose. 

National Socialist fascists used their sturmabteilung goons to riot in the streets.

Fascists in America now use Aunty Fa and (b)lack Lies Matter as their arm of organized street violence.

The Rodents are most definitely fascists.

[Sled Dog]

@Fishrrman   @Sled Dog

Truth to tell,there is damn little practical difference between the two.

But it's funny watching the fascists of Aunty Fa pretend they oppose fascism, isn't it?

They pretend to be anarchists, too.   

[sneakypete]

But it's funny watching the fascists of Aunty Fa pretend they oppose fascism, isn't it?

They pretend to be anarchists, too.

@Sled Dog

I honestly don't believe they are pretending. I  think they really DO believe,in the technicolor dreams of their hearts,that they are global heroes leading the revolution for justize.

In other words,mental defectives. Mental defectives get re-cycled into lawn care products and similar useful items once their masters are in complete control,but they are too self-centered to see themselves as anything but heroes.

[The_Reader_David]

Stop being ignorant.
Those in power now are not Nazis, nor are they "facists".
They are communists.

Actually, they are fascists.   Even the Chinese Communist Party is fascist.  No one is trying for state control of all enterprises anymore (except the nitwits in Venezuela) because the infeasibility of central planning, pointed out in advance by Hayek and vonMises is what hollowed out the Soviet Union so that it collapsed with the gentle shove Reagan gave it by standing up to them in minor ways and launching an arms race they knew they couldn't win.  Those implementing their totalitarian impulses, leaving aside the bizarre hereditary Stalinist dictatorship in North Korea and the fools in Venezuela, are now all quite happy with market economics and wealth disparities, so long as everyone accepts the Party's social mandates (whether the Party is called the CCP or the Democratic Party).  Their economic program far more like that of the Italian fascists or Nazis than that of any regime that called itself Communist prior to the fall of the Soviet Union.  Heck the Democrats even have a notion of Lebens unwertesleben -- unborn children whose mothers don't want them, and in Mario Cuomo's case, nursing home residents -- so maybe Nazi is better than fascist as a descriptor, after all.

[Hoodat]

The only difference between fascists and communists is the pretense of private property ownership.

[The_Reader_David]

The only difference between fascists and communists is the pretense of private property ownership.

The thing is it's not entirely a pretense.  Fascists (among whom the Chinese "Communists" should now be included) get the efficiencies of market economics to undergird their tyranny, Communists, properly so called, like the nitwits in Venezuela, think central control of the economy will work. It doesn't.  Had WWII ended with the Nazis in control of most of Europe, descending into a Cold War between them and the Anglosphere, that Cold War would still be going on or would have gone hot again, with it unclear who would have won the next round.  We managed to crush the first attempts at fascism, but unlike Communism, which we knew could not work in the long-run (cf. Hayek and vonMises's critiques), we can have no confidence that fascism can't work in the long run.  Fascism is very attractive to the Davos crowd, tech oligarchs, the CCP, and everyone else who thinks they are smarter than everyone else, and therefore should be in charge (and who actually are smart enough to understand that central planning does not work).

[sneakypete]

The only difference between fascists and communists is the pretense of private property ownership.

@Hoodat

Well,you can start your own business under a fascist government,and you can't do that under communism. Fascism allows a certain amount of freedom as long as you are no threat to the State,and communism allows no individual freedoms at all.

[sneakypete]

The thing is it's not entirely a pretense.  Fascists (among whom the Chinese "Communists" should now be included) get the efficiencies of market economics to undergird their tyranny, Communists, properly so called, like the nitwits in Venezuela, think central control of the economy will work. It doesn't.  Had WWII ended with the Nazis in control of most of Europe, descending into a Cold War between them and the Anglosphere, that Cold War would still be going on or would have gone hot again, with it unclear who would have won the next round.  We managed to crush the first attempts at fascism, but unlike Communism, which we knew could not work in the long-run (cf. Hayek and vonMises's critiques), we can have no confidence that fascism can't work in the long run.  Fascism is very attractive to the Davos crowd, tech oligarchs, the CCP, and everyone else who thinks they are smarter than everyone else, and therefore should be in charge (and who actually are smart enough to understand that central planning does not work).

@The_Reader_David

All true.

Unfortunately,Fascism IS the wave of the future because all the billionaires will profit from it.

They will start out sorta mellow,with group hugs and telling everyone how wonderful everything is going to be under World Wide Government,Inc due to things like the end of wars and trade embargoes. Why,there are going to be unicorns flying around dropping baskets of 100 dollar bills for people to just pick up off the streets due to the end of unemployment,welfare,food stamps,etc,etc,etc. Taxes will be so long they will be practically non-existant!

What they will be telling you is basically true,but only half the story. The other half is the economy will boom because people considered to be non-productive will end up starving to death or killed in the streets while trying to steal something to sell to get food.

You either produce,or you die under fascism. You will work or you will take a long,long dirt nap.

Unless of course you are the children of any of the leadership crowd,be they local,national,or international. After all,what is the purpose of being Royalty if the rules that apply to everyone else also apply to you?